Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle) Forum

[FryBreadPower]

Blowhard: Maybe you don't study as efficiently as the people I know? None of them really spent time online on message boards, and none of them took the time to take photos of books to post on said message board to "prove" to someone else how right they are.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

lol, damnnn bro. Really?

But seriously whats with all the radio silence? Complete since 12/1

[03121202698008]

Blowhard: Maybe you don't study as efficiently as the people I know? None of them really spent time online on message boards, and none of them took the time to take photos of books to post on said message board to "prove" to someone else how right they are.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Those photos are from then...typical FB bitching. It took me like 20 second to post in here. I didn't really post on TLS at all during 1L. I didn't claim I worked every waking minute. Nor do I need to justify what I chose to do with my downtime to you. I've been up since 8 AM working on the final part of my Note. I think by 7 pm I deserve a few minutes to relax. Also, a large part of my posting takes place on my cell phone while on the bus or in class when I get bored...it's already time counted in my day. That's a far cry from having time to work.

Come look me up when you get grades back and we'll compare outcomes and time spent. Everyone needs a break from time to time. I think your friends, or you, or more likely both...are full of shit. Few people can efficiently work 60+ hours a week continuously. I should know...I pulled my share of them during my 10 years in the military. Over time it wears on you. Practically no one can do 60 hours, plus PT school, and do well in either. I know lots of PT students at G-town...none are working 60 hours. Most are working 40 hours in a job that lets them study at work. A few are working 25 hours or less.

[PopTorts13]

In via Status Checker as of today. Hell Yeah Mich.

When did you apply? Thanks! Oh, and congrats of course!!

[Onthebrink]

Applied around thanksgiving. Stats are in my profile. Happy to have Mich, mostly because they are SO NICE.

[Pleasye]

Blowhard: Maybe you don't study as efficiently as the people I know? None of them really spent time online on message boards, and none of them took the time to take photos of books to post on said message board to "prove" to someone else how right they are.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

lol, damnnn bro. Really?

[UnamSanctam]

Collegiality

[03121202698008]

Collegiality

It's ok...the first week, and certainly the first set of grades, tends to remove most of the douche that sneaks in.

[JDizzle2015]

[Moriarty]

We all need a little of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

Come here Doppelganger, gimme a hug

I agree with the hug-mentality. Woah, what happened? The admissions process is driving everyone insane! Go back and look at those pictures. There were CHEEZ-ITS on that desk. You can't go wrong with Cheez-its.

(Just joking. I hope that everyone calms down a bit--congrats to those accepted, and I hope those waiting hear back soon!)

...I do love me some Cheez-its, though. For real.

[eaper]

We all need a little of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

Come here Doppelganger, gimme a hug

I agree with the hug-mentality. Woah, what happened? The admissions process is driving everyone insane! Go back and look at those pictures. There were CHEEZ-ITS on that desk. You can't go wrong with Cheez-its.

(Just joking. I hope that everyone calms down a bit--congrats to those accepted, and I hope those waiting hear back soon!)

...I do love me some Cheez-its, though. For real.

I agree with this statement.

[03121202698008]

We all need a little of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

Come here Doppelganger, gimme a hug

I agree with the hug-mentality. Woah, what happened? The admissions process is driving everyone insane! Go back and look at those pictures. There were CHEEZ-ITS on that desk. You can't go wrong with Cheez-its.

(Just joking. I hope that everyone calms down a bit--congrats to those accepted, and I hope those waiting hear back soon!)

...I do love me some Cheez-its, though. For real.

Cheez-its make the world go-round. My dog loves them too. She eats as many as I do.

Also, FWIW I'm not upset. This happens every year...cocky 0L's who think they know better because they have "friends" who did it. They learn eventually.

[gatorapplicant]

another day, another "complete" update. story of my life for the past four months... yet i still have that tiny twinge of hope every time i check

[JoeMo]

Cheez-its make the world go-round. My dog loves them too. She eats as many as I do.

Also, FWIW I'm not upset. This happens every year...cocky 0L's who think they know better because they have "friends" who did it. They learn eventually.

I don't think because someone knows of a different anecdote than your own it makes them a "douche" or a "cocky 0L" I think LS is a very anecdotal undertaking. Everyone has a different experience just as we don't all set out to accomplish the same thing (although admittedly 95% of TLS shares the same mentality be it Group Think or just that they're afraid to say what they really feel for fear of being mocked by the more sage minds of TLS). I know that ultimately we'll all take different paths and so in a few years when I'm telling some 0L "I was able to do this and this and this and this..." they will likely come on TLS and say "My friend did this" and someone will undoubtedly find themselves incredulous and call them out. And the cycle repeats.

Let's move on and chalk this up to January jitters.

[JoeMo]

another day, another "complete" update. story of my life for the past four months... yet i still have that tiny twinge of hope every time i check

Make a deal with yourself to only check once a week and maybe you'll find a nice surprise.

[ScrabbleChamp]

Also, FWIW I'm not upset. This happens every year...cocky 0L's who think they know better because they have "friends" who did it. They learn eventually.

I'm not sure where I came off as cocky; I never made any statements to suggest that I could work while in law school, or that I'd even be able to make LR. I was simply pointing out that your insistance on posting in absolutes is asinine. Making the blanket statement that, because you can't do something, it is impossible is not only not helpful, but egotistical. The person you were responding to didn't ask for advice as to whether or not they should work while in school or even ask if they'd have time, nor did they mention any interest in LR, and yet you come in on your high horse and tell them that they won't have time to work and do LR as if they had posed the question directly to you for guidance.

I am sure all prospective students are grateful for your knowledge when requested, but that doesn't mean that you need to analyze every statement and look for a reason to be negative.

I apologize if my words come off as insincere or sarcastic, but it is the web and inflection and tone are not easily conveyed.

[EdgarWinter]

If I received merit aid in the week or two post-admission but did not receive a Darrow invite. Does that mean that I am most definitely not going to receive one in the future? Anyone who got a Darrow invite get it post other merit scholly offer? Michigan made me a nice offer and the school seems awesome but the "we do not increase merit awards once they are made" part of the letter is crushing some (perhaps unrealistic) dreams of mine.

[va323]

Got my package in the mail today...i know its a sales pitch but my gf n i watched it n loved...michigan in the lead for me for sure...love the culture there

[hyakku]

Cheez-its make the world go-round. My dog loves them too. She eats as many as I do.

Also, FWIW I'm not upset. This happens every year...cocky 0L's who think they know better because they have "friends" who did it. They learn eventually.

I don't think because someone knows of a different anecdote than your own it makes them a "douche" or a "cocky 0L" I think LS is a very anecdotal undertaking. Everyone has a different experience just as we don't all set out to accomplish the same thing (although admittedly 95% of TLS shares the same mentality be it Group Think or just that they're afraid to say what they really feel for fear of being mocked by the more sage minds of TLS). I know that ultimately we'll all take different paths and so in a few years when I'm telling some 0L "I was able to do this and this and this and this..." they will likely come on TLS and say "My friend did this" and someone will undoubtedly find themselves incredulous and call them out. And the cycle repeats.

Let's move on and chalk this up to January jitters.

What? This doesn't really sense. Literally, almost all law schools have nearly identical curriculum with slight variation, hence why so many try to stress their clinics and other offerings. Law school is the definition of a cookie cutter experience, there's only so many anecdotes that can come up about Contracts law. And it's not like being a lawyer allots you some mystical options outside of law so again, there are only so many career paths for lawyers.

As for the other argument going on, I don't really understand what the issue is. The one guy already admitted that his friend took 30-40 hours less class a week; I could see how working would be pretty feasible with almost half the amount of required time for school throughout LS, although I still think it ultimately wouldn't be worth it.

[DaftAndDirect]

Blowhard: I'm not trying to question your abilities or start an argument... I was simply stating a fact: I know someone that was able to graduate top 10% from Georgetown, participate in GLJ, work 60+ hours/week, and live to tell the tale.

Also, the poster to whom you directed your post said nothing about wanting to do LR, so your advice is a bit premature. Further, I just don't believe your math, and I was a math major. If you are honestly trying to make the case that 2 courses is equivalent to a 40 hour work week, than it is hard to imagine you've been successful enough to have earned a spot on LR and had so many call backs that you missed almost an entire month of class. Most successful students I've spoken to put in 40-60 hours a week and seem to be doing just fine, and some take more than 4 courses. Maybe it is due to innate ability and intelligence they only need to work 40-60 hours a week, though.

Dude, doubt my math all you want. I put in 40-60 hours total during 1L no problem. A lot of times less. 2L, specifically 2L first semester, is downright hectic. My Note was a huge amount of time...but my original comment about not working was qualified with "if you do a journal." Like I said...I'm sure some can do it. I wouldn't plan on it by any means though until you're there and doing the course load. Everyone I know who worked 1L quit 2L.

Do the math yourself. Look at a 2L course schedule and calculate the # of hours. Then factor in reading per class. My estimate was actually low. My gf can vouch for the # of hours I put in each week...she is acutely aware as it was a point of contention.

Wait until 1L starts, then calculate your hours per credit. Why do you think the average load is 13 credits and the max is 15 with permission? While you're less efficient 1L, the reading in 2L is longer and more complex. 2 Classes, so 6-8 credits, is a huge difference in hours.

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This is the reading for one practicum (around 1,100 pages), which meets one day per week for two hours...and only meets like 12 times. It's dense...it's not like reading an UG textbook. While I admit its more than typical...it's not that much more.

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This is the stack from last semester. With the exception of the Tax code, we read at least 80% of it. Not to mention all of the cases and articles assigned digitally. Oh, and that's for two classes. The books for the other two aren't there.

This was one semester 1L:
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No photos and we read every page (except the restatement...70%...and maybe 50% of the Farnsworth and Chirlsetin)

mmm cheezits

[MumofCad]

If I received merit aid in the week or two post-admission but did not receive a Darrow invite. Does that mean that I am most definitely not going to receive one in the future? Anyone who got a Darrow invite get it post other merit scholly offer? Michigan made me a nice offer and the school seems awesome but the "we do not increase merit awards once they are made" part of the letter is crushing some (perhaps unrealistic) dreams of mine.

I'm pretty sure its one or the other. I never received merit aid of any sort in my status checker.

But I do think that as some Darrows went to other schools later in the cycle that I might have "heard" that more invites go out? Not sure who those were to though. Sorry I can't be of more help beyond my own experience.

[Elliott_Smith]

How long did it take for peoples acceptance packets to arrive?

[JoeMo]

Cheez-its make the world go-round. My dog loves them too. She eats as many as I do.

Also, FWIW I'm not upset. This happens every year...cocky 0L's who think they know better because they have "friends" who did it. They learn eventually.

I don't think because someone knows of a different anecdote than your own it makes them a "douche" or a "cocky 0L" I think LS is a very anecdotal undertaking. Everyone has a different experience just as we don't all set out to accomplish the same thing (although admittedly 95% of TLS shares the same mentality be it Group Think or just that they're afraid to say what they really feel for fear of being mocked by the more sage minds of TLS). I know that ultimately we'll all take different paths and so in a few years when I'm telling some 0L "I was able to do this and this and this and this..." they will likely come on TLS and say "My friend did this" and someone will undoubtedly find themselves incredulous and call them out. And the cycle repeats.

Let's move on and chalk this up to January jitters.

What? This doesn't really sense. Literally, almost all law schools have nearly identical curriculum with slight variation, hence why so many try to stress their clinics and other offerings. Law school is the definition of a cookie cutter experience, there's only so many anecdotes that can come up about Contracts law. And it's not like being a lawyer allots you some mystical options outside of law so again, there are only so many career paths for lawyers.

As for the other argument going on, I don't really understand what the issue is. The one guy already admitted that his friend took 30-40 hours less class a week; I could see how working would be pretty feasible with almost half the amount of required time for school throughout LS, although I still think it ultimately wouldn't be worth it.

Uh no. Not everyone chooses to do Law Review or is chosen. People participate in different clinics. Also after 1L it's not that cookie cutter. Some choose joint degrees others don't. Some choose to specialize others don't. Etc... Thus LS can be as cookie cutter as you want it to be but it can also be quite individualized.

[whenwin]

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[whenwin]

How long did it take for peoples acceptance packets to arrive?

If you go to the Mail & Money section of the accepted students site, you should be able to see when they mailed your packet. Fwiw, mine came within two days of my status checker changing.

[Green Glass Windows]

all i see:

Right? Reduced fat is the best kind too.