Early Withdrawal: Now's the time, please. Forum

[BioEBear2010]

Just finished withdrawing from all but three schools. Best of luck everyone!

[starrydecisus]

Perhaps Desert Fox needs to believe that it doesn't help because he doesn't want to withdraw and would feel guilty about it if he let himself believe.

He ED'd and withdrew from everywhere immediately.

OTOH I know of a TLSer who heeded this sort of thread, withdrew from a T20 via email, then recieved a letter the next day in the mail with a half-tuition scholarship. Withdrawing is overrated.

Most people decide to withdraw when they have all the information in, or know that no amount of money would get them to attend the school, so this isn't really an issue. No one on this thread is advocating that everyone go withdraw all their apps. Just the ones that they know they 100% won't attend.

[skynet]

Just finished withdrawing from all but three schools. Best of luck everyone!

still waiting for H?

[starstruck393]

Just finished withdrawing from all but three schools. Best of luck everyone!

still waiting for H?

That or NYU w/ $$?

[roguey]

Have withdrawn from:

UGA - w/ tuition equalization
GMU
University of Az - w/ $18,000 per year
University of MD
Brooklyn - w/ $24,300 per year
University of Miami
Loyola Law School
University of New Mexico
University of Oregon - w/ $5,000 per year
Santa Clara - w/ $11,000 per year
Rutgers University - Camden - w/ $15,000 per year
Marquette - w/ $25,000 per year
DePaul - w/ $20,000 per year
St. Louis University - w/ $25,000 per year
Catholic - w/ $17,500 per year
University of San Francisco - w/ $26,000 1L

[BioEBear2010]

Just finished withdrawing from all but three schools. Best of luck everyone!

still waiting for H?

Yup. I'm just curious at this point.

[forza]

From Cornell:
"We attract many more applicants that we're able to accept, and many who aren't accepted are placed on a waiting list. To help these people, we ask what you please reply as soon as possible...If you decide not to enroll, we'll select someone else to join us. The sooner you let us know, the sooner we can make further decisions and the sooner applicants on the waiting list can start making plans. Thanks for your help."

So perhaps it's more than a nice gesture?

Law school swoops in to show just how little TLS' know-it-all 0L contingent really knows about the application process. Poetic.

[09042014]

From Cornell:
"We attract many more applicants that we're able to accept, and many who aren't accepted are placed on a waiting list. To help these people, we ask what you please reply as soon as possible...If you decide not to enroll, we'll select someone else to join us. The sooner you let us know, the sooner we can make further decisions and the sooner applicants on the waiting list can start making plans. Thanks for your help."

So perhaps it's more than a nice gesture?

Law school swoops in to show just how little TLS' know-it-all 0L contingent really knows about the application process. Poetic.

You can see the logistical problem of letting a person in every time someone withdraws right? Law school admissions lie fairly regularly. They are selling their school in everything they do.

[finalaspects]

You can see the logistical problem of letting a person in every time someone withdraws right? Law school admissions lie fairly regularly. They are selling their school in everything they do.

yes i can see how there would be a problem. But you keep saying that it will not help in any bit at all when it does help. might be too small to make a real difference, but the more people do it, the more it will help.

so you are wrong.

[09042014]

You can see the logistical problem of letting a person in every time someone withdraws right? Law school admissions lie fairly regularly. They are selling their school in everything they do.

yes i can see how there would be a problem. But you keep saying that it will not help in any bit at all when it does help. might be too small to make a real difference, but the more people do it, the more it will help.

so you are wrong.

Only 1 T14 has taken anyone off their wait list. Obviously it doesn't shit yet. What are they waiting for? Probably their deposit deadline.

[finalaspects]

You can see the logistical problem of letting a person in every time someone withdraws right? Law school admissions lie fairly regularly. They are selling their school in everything they do.

yes i can see how there would be a problem. But you keep saying that it will not help in any bit at all when it does help. might be too small to make a real difference, but the more people do it, the more it will help.

so you are wrong.

Only 1 T14 has taken anyone off their wait list. Obviously it doesn't shit yet. What are they waiting for? Probably their deposit deadline.

technically waiting for the deposit deadline is just waiting to see if people will attend or withdraw. if they don't turn in their deposit it most likely means the person will withdraw. instead of waiting for the deadline, if everyone just withdrew, it would mean quicker responses, but not everyone will do that.

even 1 helps. also you're only looking at T14 when there are many other schools, with some schools waiting for the deadline and other schools accepting as soon they see that enough people withdrew.

the fact that you kept saying that it was useless and doesn't help at all was the problem. why you would do that is beyond me when you are wrong. it might not help as much as people would hope it does, but regardless, why would you do that? i know you're going northwestern on ED, but what's the point in lying to prevent other people from doing so?

[Sauer Grapes]

I would withdrawal from Illinois but I'm waiting for that huge 4GB flash drive before doing so. Call me selfish, but that's how it is.

I have done so for Baylor, Minnesota and Colorado and will probably do so for another couple schools early next week, but I haven't finalized my decision to do so on them yet.

[starstruck393]

I would withdrawal from Illinois but I'm waiting for that huge 4GB flash drive before doing so. Call me selfish, but that's how it is.

I have done so for Baylor, Minnesota and Colorado and will probably do so for another couple schools early next week, but I haven't finalized my decision to do so on them yet.

Whoa, since when did UIUC start giving out flash drives?

[starrydecisus]

I would like to make a motion to keep this topic solely for people to talk about where they're withdrawing from. If you want to argue and say it doesn't help anyone or anything to withdraw, start your own thread.

We're just trying to help people out. leave us alone!

[Sauer Grapes]

I would withdrawal from Illinois but I'm waiting for that huge 4GB flash drive before doing so. Call me selfish, but that's how it is.

I have done so for Baylor, Minnesota and Colorado and will probably do so for another couple schools early next week, but I haven't finalized my decision to do so on them yet.

Whoa, since when did UIUC start giving out flash drives?

Some people have reported getting them. I'm not sure if everyone does.

[SandyC877]

well, at least you are leading by example. I think I will withdraw from UCLA soon.

<3 Love you!

[09042014]

You can see the logistical problem of letting a person in every time someone withdraws right? Law school admissions lie fairly regularly. They are selling their school in everything they do.

yes i can see how there would be a problem. But you keep saying that it will not help in any bit at all when it does help. might be too small to make a real difference, but the more people do it, the more it will help.

so you are wrong.

Only 1 T14 has taken anyone off their wait list. Obviously it doesn't shit yet. What are they waiting for? Probably their deposit deadline.

technically waiting for the deposit deadline is just waiting to see if people will attend or withdraw. if they don't turn in their deposit it most likely means the person will withdraw. instead of waiting for the deadline, if everyone just withdrew, it would mean quicker responses, but not everyone will do that.

even 1 helps. also you're only looking at T14 when there are many other schools, with some schools waiting for the deadline and other schools accepting as soon they see that enough people withdrew.

the fact that you kept saying that it was useless and doesn't help at all was the problem. why you would do that is beyond me when you are wrong. it might not help as much as people would hope it does, but regardless, why would you do that? i know you're going northwestern on ED, but what's the point in lying to prevent other people from doing so?

I'm not lying, and I don't think I'm wrong. If a truly massive number of students withdrew it might cause a school to start going to their waitlist, but a modest increase won't.

Why? Because the early withdrawal doesn't tell the school how many will eventually withdraw.

Schools admit 3 times as many people as there are spots. So when a bunch of people withdraw, they aren't opening any spots. Those spots had already been filled by over accepting. They already knew you'd withdraw, and its already been accounted for.

They wait until the deposit deadline because then they know what everyone's plans are. They then run numbers on their class, and decide which areas they are weak in.

Do you see any school taking a significant number of people off the waitlist? I don't. Stop pretending you are doing people a favor.

[09042014]

I would like to make a motion to keep this topic solely for people to talk about where they're withdrawing from. If you want to argue and say it doesn't help anyone or anything to withdraw, start your own thread.

We're just trying to help people out. leave us alone!

Fine I'll leave, but if you want to help people out, do something real. As of now you are just wanking off while doing nothing productive.

[DoubleChecks]

I'm not lying, and I don't think I'm wrong. If a truly massive number of students withdrew it might cause a school to start going to their waitlist, but a modest increase won't.

Why? Because the early withdrawal doesn't tell the school how many will eventually withdraw.

Schools admit 3 times as many people as there are spots. So when a bunch of people withdraw, they aren't opening any spots. Those spots had already been filled by over accepting. They already knew you'd withdraw, and its already been accounted for.

They wait until the deposit deadline because then they know what everyone's plans are. They then run numbers on their class, and decide which areas they are weak in.

Do you see any school taking a significant number of people off the waitlist? I don't. Stop pretending you are doing people a favor.

lol why is finalaspects so keen on thinking you're purposely lying to other people? i dont know how waitlists actually work, and id like to believe every bit would help -- i mean, if you're SURE on what #1 you want to attend, why not withdraw from the other ones? you wont lose anything (assuming you've gotten the most out of the scholarship situation as you can) while someone might gain a lot (regardless of how small the chance)

that being said, i think desert fox posits a convincing argument

[finalaspects]

Do you see any school taking a significant number of people off the waitlist? I don't. Stop pretending you are doing people a favor.

but that's the point. start small and hope that more than a modest number of people will withdraw to make a difference. regardless a little bit helps.

i understand your issue on this, but i can't understand your attitude over it. then again i don't understand putting up a nazi general as your icon picture that supported, murdered, and defended the country that committed atrocious crimes either.

[finalaspects]

lol why is finalaspects so keen on thinking you're purposely lying to other people? i dont know how waitlists actually work, and id like to believe every bit would help -- i mean, if you're SURE on what #1 you want to attend, why not withdraw from the other ones? you wont lose anything (assuming you've gotten the most out of the scholarship situation as you can) while someone might gain a lot (regardless of how small the chance)

that being said, i think desert fox posits a convincing argument

i don't understand his motive for doing so. he changed his stance that it may help a little but not enough, which i understand his point/argument.

but why come into this thread and first state that it doesn't help what so ever? why try to stop people from helping even if its just a little bit? you should be asking why is desertfox so keen on purposely trying to prevent this?

[NayBoer]

It's not like DF has anything personal here. He withdrew from like two dozen schools right before Christmas and he's already gotten into his ED.

It shouldn't be any surprise that future lawyers sometimes like to correct bad arguments.

[Z3RO]

Do you see any school taking a significant number of people off the waitlist? I don't. Stop pretending you are doing people a favor.

then again i don't understand putting up a nazi general as your icon picture that supported, murdered, and defended the country that committed atrocious crimes either.

Because his name makes more sense this way?

I hope people withdraw too, but I find Rommel's argument cogent.

[09042014]

It's not like DF has anything personal here. He withdrew from like two dozen schools right before Christmas and he's already gotten into his ED.

It shouldn't be any surprise that future lawyers sometimes like to correct bad arguments.

Rhetorical Blitzkrieg.

[Metroid SR388]

Just withdrew from Pitt.