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[xylocarp]

Let's do some data analysis! [from 2013-2014]

# of applicants who did JS1s : 188
JS1s accepted: 65% -> 81%
JS1s denied: 3% -> 19%
JS1s decision pending: 32% [100-65-3]

if we distribute decision pending to accepts and denies, it would be 81% accepted, which follows what we know about JS1s overall already. A bit on the high side, probably from a mixture of self-selection into TLS itself and then self-selection to report on the spreadsheet.

# of applicants who did JS1s in October or November: 82
JS1s accepted: 68 + 9.4 = 77.4 -> 94%
JS1s denied: 3 + 0.4 = 3.4
JS1s WL: 1 + 0.1 = 1.1
JS1s decision pending: 10

If we distribute the 10 decision pending to accept, deny and WL, it would be 94% accepted, which may be a bit higher than the actual as well.

Anyway, your chances are good.

Great analysis. You deserve a JS2. So you are implying that all who got a JS1 will be notified that they are either accepted, denied or waitlisted? That's some good news to hear because, looking at the spreadsheet, I thought a huge chunk of those decision pending ones never heard back.

zero schools just leave you hanging. if it's decision pending, that just means the poster never went back to update

[bleachth]

Let's do some data analysis! [from 2013-2014]

# of applicants who did JS1s : 188
JS1s accepted: 65% -> 81%
JS1s denied: 3% -> 19%
JS1s decision pending: 32% [100-65-3]

if we distribute decision pending to accepts and denies, it would be 81% accepted, which follows what we know about JS1s overall already. A bit on the high side, probably from a mixture of self-selection into TLS itself and then self-selection to report on the spreadsheet.

# of applicants who did JS1s in October or November: 82
JS1s accepted: 68 + 9.4 = 77.4 -> 94%
JS1s denied: 3 + 0.4 = 3.4
JS1s WL: 1 + 0.1 = 1.1
JS1s decision pending: 10

If we distribute the 10 decision pending to accept, deny and WL, it would be 94% accepted, which may be a bit higher than the actual as well.

Anyway, your chances are good.

Great analysis. You deserve a JS2. So you are implying that all who got a JS1 will be notified that they are either accepted, denied or waitlisted? That's some good news to hear because, looking at the spreadsheet, I thought a huge chunk of those decision pending ones never heard back.

zero schools just leave you hanging. if it's decision pending, that just means the poster never went back to update

Thanks for clarifying this for me

[xylocarp]

Let's do some data analysis! [from 2013-2014]

# of applicants who did JS1s : 188
JS1s accepted: 65% -> 81%
JS1s denied: 3% -> 19%
JS1s decision pending: 32% [100-65-3]

if we distribute decision pending to accepts and denies, it would be 81% accepted, which follows what we know about JS1s overall already. A bit on the high side, probably from a mixture of self-selection into TLS itself and then self-selection to report on the spreadsheet.

# of applicants who did JS1s in October or November: 82
JS1s accepted: 68 + 9.4 = 77.4 -> 94%
JS1s denied: 3 + 0.4 = 3.4
JS1s WL: 1 + 0.1 = 1.1
JS1s decision pending: 10

If we distribute the 10 decision pending to accept, deny and WL, it would be 94% accepted, which may be a bit higher than the actual as well.

Anyway, your chances are good.

Great analysis. You deserve a JS2. So you are implying that all who got a JS1 will be notified that they are either accepted, denied or waitlisted? That's some good news to hear because, looking at the spreadsheet, I thought a huge chunk of those decision pending ones never heard back.

zero schools just leave you hanging. if it's decision pending, that just means the poster never went back to update

Thanks for clarifying this for me

no problem!

[kadyevna]

For your guys who received JS1 this week, when did you complete the application?? my app was completed on 03/11, i'm getting really nervous..

If by "3/11" you mean November 3rd, don't fret. Most JS1s this week went complete mid-/late October.

Thanks! btw do they send out JS1 via email or mail??

Notifications via Carrier Pigeon, JS1 via telegram exchange

HAHA nice one.. if I don't get JS1, will i get a reject/waitlisted letter via carrier pigeon too?

[kadyevna]

For your guys who received JS1 this week, when did you complete the application?? my app was completed on 03/11, i'm getting really nervous..

If by "3/11" you mean November 3rd, don't fret. Most JS1s this week went complete mid-/late October.

Thanks! btw do they send out JS1 via email or mail??

Email. So far this cycle, they've come out 4-5 pm on Mondays.

very helpful thanks!

[lionrampant]

Soooo....Harvard huh?

[appind]

Yeah and also I saw this documentary on USA about a law firm that only hires from HLS. Im assuming that a lot of the most prestigious firms are like this. There was one girl from Columbia Law that was allowed to work as an attorney at this firm but she had already been a paralegal there for a long time and essentially had to blackmail the managing partner into allowing her to work as an associate there despite the fact that she didnt go to H. It just goes to show how much clout an HLS degree carries compared to other schools.

documentary name?

[R. Jeeves]

Yeah and also I saw this documentary on USA about a law firm that only hires from HLS. Im assuming that a lot of the most prestigious firms are like this. There was one girl from Columbia Law that was allowed to work as an attorney at this firm but she had already been a paralegal there for a long time and essentially had to blackmail the managing partner into allowing her to work as an associate there despite the fact that she didnt go to H. It just goes to show how much clout an HLS degree carries compared to other schools.

documentary name?

It's a multi-part documentary called "Suits". I would highly recommend everyone watch it to get an idea of what the practice of law is actually going to be like.

[appind]

some friend told me roughly 20% of JS1 was not admitted in the end. Is this true

iirc it's more like 30%

[jawsjawsjaws]

Does it mean anything if your time between complete and JS1 was shorter or longer than other people?

I went through the stats page for 2013 and it seems to me that short complete-to-JS1 time correlates strongly with high numbers and high admitted rate. But longer time does not seem to indicate much.

Ooh thanks!

[BillsFan9907]

some friend told me roughly 20% of JS1 was not admitted in the end. Is this true

iirc it's more like 30%

You need to consider the fact that they are gonna interview everyone with a 169, though few will get in.

For chances, mylsn.info remains the best metric by far.

[xylocarp]

some friend told me roughly 20% of JS1 was not admitted in the end. Is this true

iirc it's more like 30%

You need to consider the fact that they are gonna interview everyone with a 169, though few will get in.

For chances, mylsn.info remains the best metric by far.

huh?

[HorseThief]

Yeah, 169's are the new 180's, didn't you hear?

[R. Jeeves]

some friend told me roughly 20% of JS1 was not admitted in the end. Is this true

iirc it's more like 30%

You need to consider the fact that they are gonna interview everyone with a 169, though few will get in.

For chances, mylsn.info remains the best metric by far.

huh?

I think the take-away here is that trying to analyze your chances at a JS2 given the fact that you got a JS1 is not going to be useful as the two are not independent probabilities. 1200 JS1s and 900 JS2s are going to go out. The 300 that don't get JS2s are, for the most part, going to be the ones with the lowest numbers among the 1200. Putting your numbers into mylsn should tell you pretty much everything you need to know about your chances. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

ETA: I don't believe they are going to interview everyone with a 169. I don't think Seoulless meant that literally.

[jawsjawsjaws]

So how long do we have to wait after our interviews to hear back from Harvard? One person on LSN got in the day after his/her interview, in late Dec.

[ikethegremlin]

So how long do we have to wait after our interviews to hear back from Harvard? One person on LSN got in the day after his/her interview, in late Dec.

As with every single question about this process, there is no definitive answer. It depends. If you interviewed on first date possible, and they want to accept you, you might hear back on Thanksgiving. So you're going to be waiting what, 3 weeks? If you went complete in december, got a JS1 a week after that, and had a 4.0+180 then maybe they'll give you your JS2 the next day.

It's situational, basically, with a cluster around a 2-week-ish wait time.

[jawsjawsjaws]

So how long do we have to wait after our interviews to hear back from Harvard? One person on LSN got in the day after his/her interview, in late Dec.

As with every single question about this process, there is no definitive answer. It depends. If you interviewed on first date possible, and they want to accept you, you might hear back on Thanksgiving. So you're going to be waiting what, 3 weeks? If you went complete in december, got a JS1 a week after that, and had a 4.0+180 then maybe they'll give you your JS2 the next day.

It's situational, basically, with a cluster around a 2-week-ish wait time.

I see... 2 weeks isn't too bad.

[BillsFan9907]

Sorry. Everyone w a 169 AND high GPA. Only a handful of non URMs are admitted, and yet if you browse through lsn, seems like almost all who report this stuff got interviews.

[musedreverie]

Sorry. Everyone w a 169 AND high GPA. Only a handful of non URMs are admitted, and yet if you browse through lsn, seems like almost all who report this stuff got interviews.

But isn't it that once you get a JS1, even people with a 169 stand as good a chance as any others in getting a JS2? (I don't have 169 btw.) Otherwise, why give JS1? I'm just curious!

[bleachth]

Sorry. Everyone w a 169 AND high GPA. Only a handful of non URMs are admitted, and yet if you browse through lsn, seems like almost all who report this stuff got interviews.

But isn't it that once you get a JS1, even people with a 169 stand as good a chance as any others in getting a JS2? (I don't have 169 btw.) Otherwise, why give JS1? I'm just curious!

My take is that people with 169 who get JS1 stand a good chance but not as decent as those with better grades unless they have extraordinary interview /social skills, or unique softs.

[jawsjawsjaws]

Why are we talking about 169 in particular?

[whosinthehousejc]

So, since I went complete in late September is it safe to assume I've been put in the WL or reject pile if I haven't seen a JS1, or are early completes just as likely as later completes to be a part of future JS1 waves?

Stats: 176, 3.54.

[musedreverie]

So, since I went complete in late September is it safe to assume I've been put in the WL or reject pile if I haven't seen a JS1, or are early completes just as likely as later completes to be a part of future JS1 waves?

Stats: 176, 3.54.

Until you've been sent an email/notification to the otherwise, no one can know exactly, but assume the latter in the meanwhile

Why are we talking about 169 in particular?

I assume it's because it's right at/below the 25th percentile?

[jawsjawsjaws]

Why are we talking about 169 in particular?

I assume it's because it's right at/below the 25th percentile?

I guess Haha which makes me extra nervous

[BillsFan9907]

Sorry. Everyone w a 169 AND high GPA. Only a handful of non URMs are admitted, and yet if you browse through lsn, seems like almost all who report this stuff got interviews.

Well, last year Chicago WLed all mid January+ applicants, obviously knew well in advance it was doing so, but nonetheless conducted interviews.