Harvard Waitlist 2013 Forum

[MyNameIsFlynn!]

175+, 3.9+ - 1
175+, 3.8-3.9 - 2
175+, 3.7-3.8 - 3
175+, <3.7 - 2 (177/3.4 & 176/3.62)

173/4, 3.9+ - 3
173/4, 3.8-3.9 - 8
173/4, 3.7-3.8 - 1
173/4, <3.7 - 0

171/2, 3.9+ - 4
171/2, 3.8-3.9 - 7
171/2, 3.7-3.8 - 0
171/2, <3.7 - 0

170, 3.9+ - 4
170, 3.8-3.9 - 0
170, 3.7-3.8 - 0
170, <3.7 - 0

<170 - 1 (167/4.01)

These are the stats of the WL > Accepted, pulled quickly from LSN. Last two cycles, excludes URMs. While this doesn't tell us our own chances of getting in, it does give some idea of who is getting in.

ETA: On an unrelated note, I am about to send in a LOCI and would like to get some feedback. Would any of y'all be willing to take a look? (I know I'm competing with you for a seat, but I have faith you guys wont give me terriful critiques). Shoot me a PM if you're down

[dnptan]

Is it worth mentioning in my LOCI that I am interested in their JD/PhD Program (In Biomedical Sciences), even if I intend to learn more about it during my 1L before applying?

When do you all think the next JS wave will be?

[txdude45]

Is it worth mentioning in my LOCI that I am interested in their JD/PhD Program (In Biomedical Sciences), even if I intend to learn more about it during my 1L before applying?

When do you all think the next JS wave will be?

It may be best to focus on how much you want to be a JD candidate, but idk really.

I think the conventional wisdom is mid-May, but I'm hoping they start the party this week.

[Lavitz]

Is it worth mentioning in my LOCI that I am interested in their JD/PhD Program (In Biomedical Sciences), even if I intend to learn more about it during my 1L before applying?

Not sure, but if it's something unique to Harvard--or at least if it's something they offer which the school you deposited at does not--then I think it would be worth it. In my Why Michigan and Why Duke essays, I talked about programs I wasn't sure I wanted to do and emphasized that I appreciated that I would have the opportunity if I decided to do them.

When do you all think the next JS wave will be?

JS what? JS1? If they're doing any more interviews, the invites should go out sometime this week.

JS2? I'm betting the week of the 20th.

[helix23]

These are the stats of the WL > Accepted, pulled quickly from LSN. Last two cycles, excludes URMs. While this doesn't tell us our own chances of getting in, it does give some idea of who is getting in.

thx for the stats homie. will add to OP.

[TripTrip]

JS2? I'm betting the week of the 20th.

I know that's much more logical than this week or next week because of the JS1 schedule, but May 20 just seems so damn far away.

[Lavitz]

I know that's much more logical than this week or next week because of the JS1 schedule, but May 20 just seems so damn far away.

I've waited six months. A few more weeks is nothing.

Totally understand though. Those first few weeks are tough.

[toothbrush]

I know that's much more logical than this week or next week because of the JS1 schedule, but May 20 just seems so damn far away.

I've waited six months. A few more weeks is nothing.

Totally understand though. Those first few weeks are tough.

Considering I started prepping lightly prepping lsat stuff almost a year and a half ago.. the wait at this point is meh. The anxiety now is more like I just want to know for certain where to find a place to live - it doesn't even matter where. I realize that I (as well you most of us ITT) have great options and will probably be successful is our own rite no matter where we go. I just want to know where I'll be living.

[La.Chocolate]

175+, 3.9+ - 1
175+, 3.8-3.9 - 2
175+, 3.7-3.8 - 3
175+, <3.7 - 2 (177/3.4 & 176/3.62)

173/4, 3.9+ - 3
173/4, 3.8-3.9 - 8
173/4, 3.7-3.8 - 1
173/4, <3.7 - 0

171/2, 3.9+ - 4
171/2, 3.8-3.9 - 7
171/2, 3.7-3.8 - 0
171/2, <3.7 - 0

170, 3.9+ - 4
170, 3.8-3.9 - 0
170, 3.7-3.8 - 0
170, <3.7 - 0

<170 - 1 (167/4.01)

These are the stats of the WL > Accepted, pulled quickly from LSN. Last two cycles, excludes URMs. While this doesn't tell us our own chances of getting in, it does give some idea of who is getting in.

ETA: On an unrelated note, I am about to send in a LOCI and would like to get some feedback. Would any of y'all be willing to take a look? (I know I'm competing with you for a seat, but I have faith you guys wont give me terriful critiques). Shoot me a PM if you're down

darn...those stats present a bleak outlook for me...lol

but still have my fingers crossed...for whatever it is worth.

I was also told during my interview that it would take several weeks before Harvard would decide upon the wait-list....

[toothbrush]

darn...those stats present a bleak outlook for me...lol

but still have my fingers crossed...for whatever it is worth.

I was also told during my interview that it would take several weeks before Harvard would decide upon the wait-list....

last two years had near 100% accept rate for WL -> js1's.

Does that make you feel better ?

If they AREN'T interviewing the entire wait list (at this point it doesn't seem like it..) then you have a decent shot. Just BEING on the WL gives you a much better chance at admission (~20%) over regular admission.

At least that's what I tell myself.

[Lavitz]

Considering I started prepping lightly prepping lsat stuff almost a year and a half ago.. the wait at this point is meh. The anxiety now is more like I just want to know for certain where to find a place to live - it doesn't even matter where. I realize that I (as well you most of us ITT) have great options and will probably be successful is our own rite no matter where we go. I just want to know where I'll be living.

Well, I was referring to post-JS1 waiting, which is a special kind of beast.

I do want to get this over with, though.

[toothbrush]

Considering I started prepping lightly prepping lsat stuff almost a year and a half ago.. the wait at this point is meh. The anxiety now is more like I just want to know for certain where to find a place to live - it doesn't even matter where. I realize that I (as well you most of us ITT) have great options and will probably be successful is our own rite no matter where we go. I just want to know where I'll be living.

Well, I was referring to post-JS1 waiting, which is a special kind of beast.

I do want to get this over with, though.

Your cycle is nuts.

[Lavitz]

Your cycle is nuts.

You just realized this now?

Really though, I still think the only ridiculous part was Columbia. I can legitimately see how Chicago and Harvard might not like me.

[TrustInMusic]

Your cycle is nuts.

You just realized this now?

Really though, I still think the only ridiculous part was Columbia. I can legitimately see how Chicago and Harvard might not like me.

I know someone with virtually identical stats as yours who got in via waitlist 2 years ago. Hope to see you in September

[digifly]

Facebook group is down to 489.

[La.Chocolate]

darn...those stats present a bleak outlook for me...lol

but still have my fingers crossed...for whatever it is worth.

I was also told during my interview that it would take several weeks before Harvard would decide upon the wait-list....

last two years had near 100% accept rate for WL -> js1's.

Does that make you feel better ?

WOAH!

Are you serious?

However, given the unusual change this year (how the wait-list was compiled much earlier, and probably includes many more people),
I'm not sure how applicable that would be.

But yes, that does make me feel MUCH better. I will now go to the bathroom, lock the doors, and cry myself out.

[toothbrush]

darn...those stats present a bleak outlook for me...lol

but still have my fingers crossed...for whatever it is worth.

I was also told during my interview that it would take several weeks before Harvard would decide upon the wait-list....

last two years had near 100% accept rate for WL -> js1's.

Does that make you feel better ?

WOAH!

Are you serious?

However, given the unusual change this year (how the wait-list was compiled much earlier, and probably includes many more people),
I'm not sure how applicable that would be.

But yes, that does make me feel MUCH better. I will now go to the bathroom, lock the doors, and cry myself out.

lmao a good cry is definitely called for.

And yup, you have to balance that stat with the fact that it seems like this cycle they front-loaded wl-> js1's. Other factors that could balance that out is a growing # of LSN/ TLS users (aka more people reporting being wl/ js1 this year). It's all speculation at this point.

I would, however, put my money on a 50%+ WL-> JS1 stat for this year regardless.

[TripTrip]

I would, however, put my money on a 50%+ WL-> JS1 stat for this year regardless.

Statistically I agree with this, but it's still hard for me to comprehend that I am more than likely getting into Harvard. It feels like I'm creating a false hope for myself.

[sd1234]

darn...those stats present a bleak outlook for me...lol

but still have my fingers crossed...for whatever it is worth.

I was also told during my interview that it would take several weeks before Harvard would decide upon the wait-list....

last two years had near 100% accept rate for WL -> js1's.

Does that make you feel better ?

WOAH!

Are you serious?

However, given the unusual change this year (how the wait-list was compiled much earlier, and probably includes many more people),
I'm not sure how applicable that would be.

But yes, that does make me feel MUCH better. I will now go to the bathroom, lock the doors, and cry myself out.

lmao a good cry is definitely called for.

And yup, you have to balance that stat with the fact that it seems like this cycle they front-loaded wl-> js1's. Other factors that could balance that out is a growing # of LSN/ TLS users (aka more people reporting being wl/ js1 this year). It's all speculation at this point.

I would, however, put my money on a 50%+ WL-> JS1 stat for this year regardless.

If that's true, that would seem to be quite bad news for us JS1 -> WL folk, right?

[eyfl]

I would, however, put my money on a 50%+ WL-> JS1 stat for this year regardless.

Statistically I agree with this, but it's still hard for me to comprehend that I am more than likely getting into Harvard. It feels like I'm creating a false hope for myself.

Isn't that what we are here for? To rationalize ourselves a decision before one is known even to adcoms? It just happens that in this particular case the decision seems to be positive

Also, previous years' high conversion of post-WL js1->js2 can be partially explained by the fact that they started offering JS1 after the deposit deadline so they knew for sure whom they needed - it was probably a matter of not royally screwing up during the interview to get in. This year it seems like everyone and his granny got JS1s.. I'm still keeping hope though

[MyNameIsFlynn!]

I would, however, put my money on a 50%+ WL-> JS1 stat for this year regardless.

Statistically I agree with this, but it's still hard for me to comprehend that I am more than likely getting into Harvard. It feels like I'm creating a false hope for myself.

Isn't that what we are here for? To rationalize ourselves a decision before one is known even to adcoms? It just happens that in this particular case the decision seems to be positive

Also, previous years' high conversion of post-WL js1->js2 can be partially explained by the fact that they started offering JS1 after the deposit deadline so they knew for sure whom they needed - it was probably a matter of not royally screwing up during the interview to get in. This year it seems like everyone and his granny got JS1s.. I'm still keeping hope though

There's really nothing else to do except speculate idly while we wait. I agree that previous years' post-WL JS1 conversion rate probably won't look much, if anything, like the conversion rate for this year just because of the sheer number of JS1s they're conducting. Still, if you consider they're JS1ing ~1200 to make 850 offers, the odds don't appear to be terrible (although toward the end of the cycle, it's probably more like 500 JS1 candidates to make ~150 offers. Still the fact that 1/3 peeps will probably get a JS2 gives me hope).

[broadstreet11]

I would, however, put my money on a 50%+ WL-> JS1 stat for this year regardless.

Statistically I agree with this, but it's still hard for me to comprehend that I am more than likely getting into Harvard. It feels like I'm creating a false hope for myself.

Isn't that what we are here for? To rationalize ourselves a decision before one is known even to adcoms? It just happens that in this particular case the decision seems to be positive

Also, previous years' high conversion of post-WL js1->js2 can be partially explained by the fact that they started offering JS1 after the deposit deadline so they knew for sure whom they needed - it was probably a matter of not royally screwing up during the interview to get in. This year it seems like everyone and his granny got JS1s.. I'm still keeping hope though

There's really nothing else to do except speculate idly while we wait. I agree that previous years' post-WL JS1 conversion rate probably won't look much, if anything, like the conversion rate for this year just because of the sheer number of JS1s they're conducting. Still, if you consider they're JS1ing ~1200 to make 850 offers, the odds don't appear to be terrible (although toward the end of the cycle, it's probably more like 500 JS1 candidates to make ~150 offers. Still the fact that 1/3 peeps will probably get a JS2 gives me hope).

That's way too low of a conversion rate. Throughout the cycle at least 65% of the JS1s have gotten a JS2. I expect that rate to be higher off of the waitlist, not lower. It won't be 100%, but definitely not the 30% you're suggesting.

[toothbrush]

I would, however, put my money on a 50%+ WL-> JS1 stat for this year regardless.

Statistically I agree with this, but it's still hard for me to comprehend that I am more than likely getting into Harvard. It feels like I'm creating a false hope for myself.

Isn't that what we are here for? To rationalize ourselves a decision before one is known even to adcoms? It just happens that in this particular case the decision seems to be positive

Also, previous years' high conversion of post-WL js1->js2 can be partially explained by the fact that they started offering JS1 after the deposit deadline so they knew for sure whom they needed - it was probably a matter of not royally screwing up during the interview to get in. This year it seems like everyone and his granny got JS1s.. I'm still keeping hope though

I don't see it in the data that "everyone and his granny got js1's".

I do see that they offered js1's earlier than previously, however. This could be attributed to a lot of things. For all we know, HLS is expecting to draw more people from the WL this year (lots of people like Lavitz taking dat money over dat preftige?). Who knows.

However, the WL-> JS1's so far seemto be a spread of good admits and target js1's (urm, hispanics, etc). I feel like they know what they want and the profile they need to fill.

I'm obviously saying this because i've been JS1'd and want that 100% yield, baby.

[eyfl]

...
I'm obviously saying this because i've been JS1'd and want that 100% yield, baby.

Amen.

[helix23]

more speculation plz