Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014) Forum

[HorseThief]

Today really was reject a 171 day.

http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/applicants

So 4/4 of the rejections yesterday that we know of (three from LSN, one more here) were 171's, and 2/4 were above-median GPA. If we see more of this, it may suggest that the GPA median is not shaping up to be an issue for them. Idk why else they wouldn't at least wait list a 171/3.88+ (barring other issues w/ the app).

As someone with a lower GPA and a high LSAT, I so badly wish this was true, but my lack of even a JS1 seems to indicates otherwise (yes, I know this is anecdotal but just let me be melodramatic in my moment of grief )

I feel like this cycle hasn't been as "easy" as it has been made out to be. If anything, It's only been wildly unpredictable. I wonder if this is the the effect of the increase of 170+ scorers this year.

There's been an increase of 170+ scorers? I thought there has been a decrease recently?

Eta: My ipad likes to autocorrect..

Decrease in 169- scores, but more 170+.

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/high-l ... last-year/

[jdapplicant]

Decrease in 169- scores, but more 170+.

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/high-l ... last-year/

Welp, that's unfortunate.

[Arrow4Christ]

Decrease in 169- scores, but more 170+.

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/high-l ... last-year/

Welp, that's unfortunate.

+1

[FuriousDuck]

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[bbkk]

High LSAT score of 2014 ABA applicants with the percent change from last year, as of 2/21/14

Highest LSAT___Pct Chg YTD
__< 140________-21.5%
140–144________-16.9%
145–149________-15.9%
150–154________-17.8%
155–159________-15.6%
160–164________-15.0%
165–169________-9.1%
170–174________1.2%
175–180________6.0%

Last year, 170+ applicants crashed, and lower scoring applicants stayed surprisingly constant, so this year's bandwidth data makes sense to me.

Makes sense, but probably not very good news.

[jdapplicant]

Edit: nvm read the numbers wrong

[jk148706]

High LSAT score of 2014 ABA applicants with the percent change from last year, as of 2/21/14

Highest LSAT___Pct Chg YTD
__< 140________-21.5%
140–144________-16.9%
145–149________-15.9%
150–154________-17.8%
155–159________-15.6%
160–164________-15.0%
165–169________-9.1%
170–174________1.2%
175–180________6.0%

Last year, 170+ applicants crashed, and lower scoring applicants stayed surprisingly constant, so this year's bandwidth data makes sense to me.

Makes sense, but probably not very good news.

That increase is still not very many ppl. Because so few ppl score that high, a 6% jump isn't that many actual test takers.

[Brettanomyces]

High LSAT score of 2014 ABA applicants with the percent change from last year, as of 2/21/14

Highest LSAT___Pct Chg YTD
__< 140________-21.5%
140–144________-16.9%
145–149________-15.9%
150–154________-17.8%
155–159________-15.6%
160–164________-15.0%
165–169________-9.1%
170–174________1.2%
175–180________6.0%

Last year, 170+ applicants crashed, and lower scoring applicants stayed surprisingly constant, so this year's bandwidth data makes sense to me.

Makes sense, but probably not very good news.

That increase is still not very many ppl. Because so few ppl score that high, a 6% jump isn't that many actual test takers.

Mhmm. I don't know what the actual numbers are, but a 6% increase of, say, a thousand, is still just an increase of 60 people.

[bbkk]

Wasn't there a drop in total applicants again this year? So the absolute number of 175+ may still have decreased?

I think it depends on how big the drop was.

[jk148706]

High LSAT score of 2014 ABA applicants with the percent change from last year, as of 2/21/14

Highest LSAT___Pct Chg YTD
__< 140________-21.5%
140–144________-16.9%
145–149________-15.9%
150–154________-17.8%
155–159________-15.6%
160–164________-15.0%
165–169________-9.1%
170–174________1.2%
175–180________6.0%

Last year, 170+ applicants crashed, and lower scoring applicants stayed surprisingly constant, so this year's bandwidth data makes sense to me.

Makes sense, but probably not very good news.

That increase is still not very many ppl. Because so few ppl score that high, a 6% jump isn't that many actual test takers.

Mhmm. I don't know what the actual numbers are, but a 6% increase of, say, a thousand, is still just an increase of 60 people.

Precisely

[jdapplicant]

Wasn't there a drop in total applicants again this year? So the absolute number of 175+ may still have decreased?

I think it depends on how big the drop was.

I read the numbers wrong at first. After posting that I realized that its a percentage increase from the absolute number of 175+ last year, so the number did increase

[bbkk]

That increase is still not very many ppl. Because so few ppl score that high, a 6% jump isn't that many actual test takers.

Mhmm. I don't know what the actual numbers are, but a 6% increase of, say, a thousand, is still just an increase of 60 people.

Precisely

Yeah, you are right. I forgot how few people scored above 175. But still, for those K-JDs with nothing extraordinary but good stats, the 60 people could potentially take away their spots in the top law schools.

[Pneumonia]

there aren't even a thousand that score 175+

If I recall correctly it was like 330 of them last year and 350 of them this year.

[bbkk]

there aren't even a thousand that score 175+

If I recall correctly it was like 330 of them last year and 350 of them this year.

Yeah that doesn't sound a lot..

BTW, here's my 777th post...for science and stuff

[HorseThief]

In December Spivey tweeted "170–174 1,173 ... 175–180 353."
That gives us 20 more 175-180 and 13 more 170-174.

[milkandcheerios]

In December Spivey tweeted "170–174 1,173 ... 175–180 353."
That gives us 20 more 175-180 and 13 more 170-174.

i've always wondered, do these stats include re takers or first time takers only?

[drawstring]

And some of those people probably have GPAs that put them out at HLS.

[FuriousDuck]

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[Pneumonia]

In December Spivey tweeted "170–174 1,173 ... 175–180 353."
That gives us 20 more 175-180 and 13 more 170-174.

I knew I was close!

[baloneydanza]

Just joined TLS, figured I'd post my stats. Got admitted during the big Thursday wave a week and a half ago. 170 LSAT, 3.92 GPA, URM. This forum's neuroticism is contagious. Also is there still time to sign up for next week's ASW?

edit: Late January JS1. No idea when I went complete.

[The-Specs]

Also is there still time to sign up for next week's ASW?

Yes.

[fivestarfolds]

Just joined TLS, figured I'd post my stats. Got admitted during the big Thursday wave a week and a half ago. 170 LSAT, 3.92 GPA, URM. This forum's neuroticism is contagious. Also is there still time to sign up for next week's ASW?

edit: Late January JS1. No idea when I went complete.

Congrats!

[drawstring]

So Feb scores are out. Should be interesting to see how things shape up from here. It seems like a large majority of those who took the Feb test are applying next cycle, which I'm glad to see.

[Black_Swan]

So Feb scores are out. Should be interesting to see how things shape up from here. It seems like a large majority of those who took the Feb test are applying next cycle, which I'm glad to see.

Does this hold true for hls?

[corporatebarbarian]

current cycle applicant here. took another shot at the LSAT after getting sub 170s in July - clocked a 178. here's hoping i'm still alive for HS