Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014) Forum

[Leo]

Need to correct some of the previous results I reported. Sorry for the misinformation.

Average days between complete and JS1 request for applicants with:

• At/Above median LSAT = 14.1
  Below median LSAT = 22.1
  At/Above median GPA = 12.2
  Below median GPA = 20.9

Average days between JS1 and JS2 for applicants with:

• At/Above median LSAT = 24.5
  Below median LSAT = 27.2
  At/Above median GPA = 24.8
  Below median GPA = 25.6

I also added a histogram for the JS1-JS2 wait time to the spreadsheet.

[lawschool2014hopeful]

Need to correct some of the previous results I reported. Sorry for the misinformation.

Average days between complete and JS1 request for applicants with:

• At/Above median LSAT = 14.1
  Below median LSAT = 22.1
  At/Above median GPA = 12.2
  Below median GPA = 20.9

Average days between JS1 and JS2 for applicants with:

• At/Above median LSAT = 24.5
  Below median LSAT = 27.2
  At/Above median GPA = 24.8
  Below median GPA = 25.6

I also added a histogram for the JS1-JS2 wait time to the spreadsheet.

This looks more correct. Interesting to see it doesnt matter much after JS1.

However it is important to note this doesnt take in account information of people who are still on hold, and I would imagine (and I briefly skimmed the data to confirm it) those who are below the LSAT median by far represent the no action group (sitting on complete/JS1).

[gta]

I added a histogram to the spreadsheet (hope that's okay LS22) illustrating the time between complete and JS1 request. Would simply post the histogram here but have not figured out how to insert pictures. About 95% of the JS1 requests (in this data set) arrive within 39 days. About 80% arrive within 25 days.

That's nerve-wracking... That pretty much means this week for me. JS1 or bust

[Leo]

I added a histogram to the spreadsheet (hope that's okay LS22) illustrating the time between complete and JS1 request. Would simply post the histogram here but have not figured out how to insert pictures. About 95% of the JS1 requests (in this data set) arrive within 39 days. About 80% arrive within 25 days.

That's nerve-wracking... That pretty much means this week for me. JS1 or bust

Surprisingly, the statistic for JS1-JS2 wait time is the same: 95% of those in this data set who have received a JS2 received it within 39 days.

Slow day at work, so taking any other requests for statistics.

[lawschool22]

I added a histogram to the spreadsheet (hope that's okay LS22) illustrating the time between complete and JS1 request. Would simply post the histogram here but have not figured out how to insert pictures. About 95% of the JS1 requests (in this data set) arrive within 39 days. About 80% arrive within 25 days.

That's nerve-wracking... That pretty much means this week for me. JS1 or bust

You can't conclude that. I'm sure Leo would agree that since the cycle isn't over, this data set is incomplete at this point. There may well be another large group of people who will get JS2's that blow up the 39 day threshold, and they just haven't received them yet.

[lawschool2014hopeful]

I added a histogram to the spreadsheet (hope that's okay LS22) illustrating the time between complete and JS1 request. Would simply post the histogram here but have not figured out how to insert pictures. About 95% of the JS1 requests (in this data set) arrive within 39 days. About 80% arrive within 25 days.

That's nerve-wracking... That pretty much means this week for me. JS1 or bust

Surprisingly, the statistic for JS1-JS2 wait time is the same: 95% of those in this data set who have received a JS2 received it within 39 days.

Slow day at work, so taking any other requests for statistics.

Calculate the average by taking in the account of the people who are still on hold. If a file's complete date to a possible JS1 is shorter (i.e., submitted las week) than the average complete to JS1, ignore, if longer, include in the average. Do that with the same classifications, and with above both and below both medians.

[Leo]

I added a histogram to the spreadsheet (hope that's okay LS22) illustrating the time between complete and JS1 request. Would simply post the histogram here but have not figured out how to insert pictures. About 95% of the JS1 requests (in this data set) arrive within 39 days. About 80% arrive within 25 days.

That's nerve-wracking... That pretty much means this week for me. JS1 or bust

You can't conclude that. I'm sure Leo would agree that since the cycle isn't over, this data set is incomplete at this point. There may well be another large group of people who will get JS2's that blow up the 39 day threshold, and they just haven't received them yet.

Yeah LS22 is right. I should have phrased it as "About 95% of the JS1 requests that have been sent so far arrived within 39 days."

[Quest4Knowledge]

Somewhat relevant to the current discussion, but thoughts on how many JS1's have been conducted?

My unsubstantiated guess is ~700. Seems too high/low?

[sd26]

Need to correct some of the previous results I reported. Sorry for the misinformation.

Average days between complete and JS1 request for applicants with:

• At/Above median LSAT = 14.1
  Below median LSAT = 22.1
  At/Above median GPA = 12.2
  Below median GPA = 20.9

Average days between JS1 and JS2 for applicants with:

• At/Above median LSAT = 24.5
  Below median LSAT = 27.2
  At/Above median GPA = 24.8
  Below median GPA = 25.6

I also added a histogram for the JS1-JS2 wait time to the spreadsheet.

This looks more correct. Interesting to see it doesnt matter much after JS1.

However it is important to note this doesnt take in account information of people who are still on hold, and I would imagine (and I briefly skimmed the data to confirm it) those who are below the LSAT median by far represent the no action group (sitting on complete/JS1).

Shouldn't these results be skewed though? The first wave of acceptances was 11/25 or 11/26, but they had interviews for about a month or more before then, without accepting anyone periodically, like they're doing now. So some people may have interviewed in mid-october but not been accepted until the end of november, while some people were interviewed relatively close to the first wave and then accepted in it. So it seems like there may be an upward bias on the JS1-JS2 wait times, since were including all these people who interviewed way before JS2's even started going out.

[lawschool22]

Somewhat relevant to the current discussion, but thoughts on how many JS1's have been conducted?

My unsubstantiated guess is ~700. Seems too high/low?

My guess would be that it's higher than that. 625 would be half of 1250, and I have a feeling they are a bit further along than half-way.

[teampeeta]

Lord knows the completion process took an eternity. Happy waiting, folks. Glad to know I have some equally neurotic people with whom I can commiserate.

[Leo]

More useless statistics:

• Of the applicants with below median LSAT (<173), 42% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 22.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 47% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 27.2 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median LSAT (>=173), 67% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 14.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 72% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.5 days.
  
  Of the applicants with below median GPA (<3.88), 49% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 20.9 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 54% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 25.6 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median GPA (>=3.88), 66% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 12.2 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 75% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.8 days.

Maybe later I will compile stats for those below/above both medians, but until then you can infer from the above. HTH

[MrMileyCyrus]

100th posts dedicated to JS & HLS.

Please call me today. I would be so happy.

[wtrc]

Hi all - sorry I've been MIA the past few days. Hoping for some amazing news this week for everyone.

[Theopliske8711]

Almost a month now, no JS1...

[selden]

More useless statistics:

• Of the applicants with below median LSAT (<173), 42% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 22.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 47% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 27.2 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median LSAT (>=173), 67% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 14.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 72% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.5 days.
  
  Of the applicants with below median GPA (<3.88), 49% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 20.9 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 54% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 25.6 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median GPA (>=3.88), 66% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 12.2 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 75% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.8 days.

Maybe later I will compile stats for those below/above both medians, but until then you can infer from the above. HTH

Let's get some cross tabs in here y'all. Who's got the time and the drive?

[SplitMyPants]

More useless statistics:

• Of the applicants with below median LSAT (<173), 42% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 22.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 47% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 27.2 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median LSAT (>=173), 67% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 14.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 72% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.5 days.
  
  Of the applicants with below median GPA (<3.88), 49% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 20.9 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 54% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 25.6 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median GPA (>=3.88), 66% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 12.2 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 75% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.8 days.

Maybe later I will compile stats for those below/above both medians, but until then you can infer from the above. HTH

This is awesome. Thank you.

[cesium]

More useless statistics:

• Of the applicants with below median LSAT (<173), 42% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 22.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 47% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 27.2 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median LSAT (>=173), 67% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 14.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 72% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.5 days.
  
  Of the applicants with below median GPA (<3.88), 49% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 20.9 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 54% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 25.6 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median GPA (>=3.88), 66% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 12.2 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 75% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.8 days.

Maybe later I will compile stats for those below/above both medians, but until then you can infer from the above. HTH

Wow, yes, the various combos of above/below medians would be very helpful!

[lawschool22]

More useless statistics:

• Of the applicants with below median LSAT (<173), 42% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 22.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 47% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 27.2 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median LSAT (>=173), 67% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 14.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 72% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.5 days.
  
  Of the applicants with below median GPA (<3.88), 49% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 20.9 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 54% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 25.6 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median GPA (>=3.88), 66% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 12.2 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 75% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.8 days.

Maybe later I will compile stats for those below/above both medians, but until then you can infer from the above. HTH

Awesome work! I haven't checked the spreadsheet, but is this aggregated into a tab or tabs? Also, I would love to see the data for At above LSAT / Below GPA and vice versa.

Also, at a quick glance it supports the notion that being below LSAT median is slightly worse than being below GPA median, but there are other factors that could explain this that our data doesn't control for. Either way, interesting stuff!

[rseaney]

More useless statistics:

• Of the applicants with below median LSAT (<173), 42% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 22.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 47% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 27.2 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median LSAT (>=173), 67% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 14.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 72% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.5 days.
  
  Of the applicants with below median GPA (<3.88), 49% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 20.9 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 54% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 25.6 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median GPA (>=3.88), 66% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 12.2 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 75% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.8 days.

Maybe later I will compile stats for those below/above both medians, but until then you can infer from the above. HTH

Awesome work! I haven't checked the spreadsheet, but is this aggregated into a tab or tabs? Also, I would love to see the data for At above LSAT / Below GPA and vice versa.

Also, at a quick glance it supports the notion that being below LSAT median is slightly worse than being below GPA median, but there are other factors that could explain this that our data doesn't control for. Either way, interesting stuff!

id guess that's partially related to the fact that you can explain away poor grades in a PS far easier than you could explain away a poor LSAT

[selden]

Wow, yes, the various combos of above/below medians would be very helpful!

I'm happy to do this but wouldn't be able to get to it until tomorrow evening, so if anyone else wants to step in in the meantime be my guest.

[lawschool22]

More useless statistics:

• Of the applicants with below median LSAT (<173), 42% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 22.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 47% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 27.2 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median LSAT (>=173), 67% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 14.1 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 72% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.5 days.
  
  Of the applicants with below median GPA (<3.88), 49% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 20.9 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 54% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptances was 25.6 days.
  
  Of the applicants with at/above median GPA (>=3.88), 66% have received JS1 requests. The average wait time for those requests was 12.2 days. Of those in this group who received JS1 requests, 75% have been accepted. The average wait time for those acceptance was 24.8 days.

Maybe later I will compile stats for those below/above both medians, but until then you can infer from the above. HTH

Awesome work! I haven't checked the spreadsheet, but is this aggregated into a tab or tabs? Also, I would love to see the data for At above LSAT / Below GPA and vice versa.

Also, at a quick glance it supports the notion that being below LSAT median is slightly worse than being below GPA median, but there are other factors that could explain this that our data doesn't control for. Either way, interesting stuff!

id guess that's partially related to the fact that you can explain away poor grades in a PS far easier than you could explain away a poor LSAT

Yep, I also think it's likely there are fewer great LSATs out there than great GPAs. I would imagine a school like Harvard doesn't have a shortage of either, but that may play some small role.

[Leo]

Some a-hole troll is randomly altering the LSAT data right now.

[drawstring]

Why do people do stuff like that

[alllaweverything]

soooo now the spreadsheet is essentially worthless.

*edit* all is saved by lawschool22!