Columbia 2011! Forum

[WestOfTheRest]

What's your point?

That you can't say certain LSAT/GPA's are boardline with that small of a sampling. Maybe we won't get immediately but we all still have a decent chance looking at medians and whatnot.

You are really going to have a sampling size argument with me regarding LSN? Cause this hasn't been done before.

Well if you really want to get into this argument. What sample size would you suggest is representative of the population as a whole? Not to mention the self-selection bias that takes place on LSN. People who get accepted are more likely to report their decision.

If you really want to go down this road we can. But someone makes a claim, I provide evidence to the contrary of his claim. Then some third person jumps in and says that evidence is no good. Well I have provided the best evidence thus far. So until I see something that suggests I am wrong, I will stick with my opinion.

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[WestOfTheRest]

So far from what I have seen it looks mostly like borderline LSATs are getting these requests. Although, I've seen one data point that doesn't fit this profile.

You're crazy to think a 4.0 171 is "borderline". The MEDIAN is 172, meaning that somewhere close to 50% of the class is below that. Median GPA is pretty far from 4.0, so I wouldn't call any of these applicants borderline.

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... ,5&type=jd
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/0910/

Really? Looks like these candidates are pretty borderline for CLS. Maybe you should check the data before you run your mouth.

If they were gunning to increase their numbers then these people would all get in. Showing mixed results doesn't mean that they are "borderline" applicants, just that admission is not guaranteed. Very few outright rejects in this group.

A waitlist is just a soft rejection for most applicants. Pull your head out of your ass. If they want to increase numbers they wont accept people with numbers lower than their medians. These applicants have LSATs lower than median. To CLS an applicant with 172/3.81+ is more valuable to their numbers than any of these applicants.

Edit: Not to mention that if you knew anything about CLS, you would know it values LSAT considerably higher than gpa.

[T6Hopeful]

Looks like they're only asking for grades from those with very high gpas. Are you all reverse splitters?

They asked for grades from a 3.7 as well (T6 Hopeful)

That's still a decent gpa for Columbia (not great admittedly). I'm just curious what these peoples LSATs look like in comparison to their gpas.

I am the 3.7 Habit was talking about. I have a 171 LSAT.

Yeah Habit, you scared the crap out of me there. I was like, THEY DID?!
And I don't know if this has been broken down in the last few pages, but it seemed to me as if all of the requests were regular decisions? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Non-Chalant1]

CastleRock comes across as one of those people that make people hate lawyers and law school. There's a way to inform someone without talking down to them.

[WestOfTheRest]

CastleRock comes across as one of those people that make people hate lawyers and law school. There's a way to inform someone without talking down to them.

and then there is a way to deal with idiots who choose not to listen.

[obrienfa]

And I don't know if this has been broken down in the last few pages, but it seemed to me as if all of the requests were regular decisions? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I applied regular decision and I think other people mentioned being RD too.

[bdubs]

A waitlist is just a soft rejection for most applicants. Pull your head out of your ass. If they want to increase numbers they wont accept people with numbers lower than their medians. These applicants have LSATs lower than median. To CLS an applicant with 172/3.81+ is more valuable to their numbers than any of these applicants.

Edit: Not to mention that if you knew anything about CLS, you would know it values LSAT considerably higher than gpa.

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd

There are a lot of high 16X in here. If you are above one median and below another it doesn't automatically make you borderline.

I agree that a 172 3.81+ is of greater value, but that doesn't mean that everyone below 172 is suddenly out of consideration or that shifting up the GPA median doesn't mean anything to Columbia.

[arism87]

CastleRock comes across as one of those people that make people hate lawyers and law school. There's a way to inform someone without talking down to them.

+1

[Non-Chalant1]

CastleRock comes across as one of those people that make people hate lawyers and law school. There's a way to inform someone without talking down to them.

and then there is a way to deal with idiots who choose not to listen.

I mean granted I haven't followed this entire discourse, but from the last page of it (all I've read admittedly in regards to convo) they seemed uninformed and you were right...but man...you were mean about it. Short fuse dude LOL?

[WestOfTheRest]

A waitlist is just a soft rejection for most applicants. Pull your head out of your ass. If they want to increase numbers they wont accept people with numbers lower than their medians. These applicants have LSATs lower than median. To CLS an applicant with 172/3.81+ is more valuable to their numbers than any of these applicants.

Edit: Not to mention that if you knew anything about CLS, you would know it values LSAT considerably higher than gpa.

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd

There are a lot of high 16X in here. If you are above one median and below another it doesn't automatically make you borderline.

I agree that a 172 3.81+ is of greater value, but that doesn't mean that everyone below 172 is suddenly out of consideration or that shifting up the GPA median doesn't mean anything to Columbia.

Find where I said that they are out of consideration? I never said they were out of consideration. My whole point is that they want to make sure these applicants maintain that GPA, because they are borderline as far as numbers go.

The fact that they want fall grades suggests they arent out of consideration.

[WestOfTheRest]

CastleRock comes across as one of those people that make people hate lawyers and law school. There's a way to inform someone without talking down to them.

and then there is a way to deal with idiots who choose not to listen.

I mean granted I haven't followed this entire discourse, but from the last page of it (all I've read admittedly in regards to convo) they seemed uninformed and you were right...but man...you were mean about it. Short fuse dude LOL?

You have been on this forum as long as I have, so you should know what its like when you are dealing with posters who are unwilling to listen to well thought out reasoning. But then again, you don't have any posts, so maybe you havent dealt with people like this as much.

Simply put, I have a short fuse with people who refuse to listen to reason.

[arism87]

A waitlist is just a soft rejection for most applicants. Pull your head out of your ass. If they want to increase numbers they wont accept people with numbers lower than their medians. These applicants have LSATs lower than median. To CLS an applicant with 172/3.81+ is more valuable to their numbers than any of these applicants.

Edit: Not to mention that if you knew anything about CLS, you would know it values LSAT considerably higher than gpa.

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd

There are a lot of high 16X in here. If you are above one median and below another it doesn't automatically make you borderline.

I agree that a 172 3.81+ is of greater value, but that doesn't mean that everyone below 172 is suddenly out of consideration or that shifting up the GPA median doesn't mean anything to Columbia.

Find where I said that they are out of consideration? I never said they were out of consideration. My whole point is that they want to make sure these applicants maintain that GPA, because they are borderline as far as numbers go.

The fact that they want fall grades suggests they arent out of consideration.

If that's the case, why send them to 4.0s? I mean even the worst semester in the world will still leave a GPA over the 75th, no? (I haven't done the math, but it just seems that way)

[bdubs]

A waitlist is just a soft rejection for most applicants. Pull your head out of your ass. If they want to increase numbers they wont accept people with numbers lower than their medians. These applicants have LSATs lower than median. To CLS an applicant with 172/3.81+ is more valuable to their numbers than any of these applicants.

Edit: Not to mention that if you knew anything about CLS, you would know it values LSAT considerably higher than gpa.

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd

There are a lot of high 16X in here. If you are above one median and below another it doesn't automatically make you borderline.

I agree that a 172 3.81+ is of greater value, but that doesn't mean that everyone below 172 is suddenly out of consideration or that shifting up the GPA median doesn't mean anything to Columbia.

Find where I said that they are out of consideration? I never said they were out of consideration. My whole point is that they want to make sure these applicants maintain that GPA, because they are borderline as far as numbers go.

The fact that they want fall grades suggests they arent out of consideration.

Using the word borderline implies they are on the border of acceptance or denial.

[WestOfTheRest]

A waitlist is just a soft rejection for most applicants. Pull your head out of your ass. If they want to increase numbers they wont accept people with numbers lower than their medians. These applicants have LSATs lower than median. To CLS an applicant with 172/3.81+ is more valuable to their numbers than any of these applicants.

Edit: Not to mention that if you knew anything about CLS, you would know it values LSAT considerably higher than gpa.

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd

There are a lot of high 16X in here. If you are above one median and below another it doesn't automatically make you borderline.

I agree that a 172 3.81+ is of greater value, but that doesn't mean that everyone below 172 is suddenly out of consideration or that shifting up the GPA median doesn't mean anything to Columbia.

Find where I said that they are out of consideration? I never said they were out of consideration. My whole point is that they want to make sure these applicants maintain that GPA, because they are borderline as far as numbers go.

The fact that they want fall grades suggests they arent out of consideration.

Using the word borderline implies they are on the border of acceptance or denial.

Exactly, at about a 50% chance. Which is pretty much exactly what the evidence suggests.

50% chance does not equal out of consideration.

[WestOfTheRest]

A waitlist is just a soft rejection for most applicants. Pull your head out of your ass. If they want to increase numbers they wont accept people with numbers lower than their medians. These applicants have LSATs lower than median. To CLS an applicant with 172/3.81+ is more valuable to their numbers than any of these applicants.

Edit: Not to mention that if you knew anything about CLS, you would know it values LSAT considerably higher than gpa.

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd

There are a lot of high 16X in here. If you are above one median and below another it doesn't automatically make you borderline.

I agree that a 172 3.81+ is of greater value, but that doesn't mean that everyone below 172 is suddenly out of consideration or that shifting up the GPA median doesn't mean anything to Columbia.

Find where I said that they are out of consideration? I never said they were out of consideration. My whole point is that they want to make sure these applicants maintain that GPA, because they are borderline as far as numbers go.

The fact that they want fall grades suggests they arent out of consideration.

If that's the case, why send them to 4.0s? I mean even the worst semester in the world will still leave a GPA over the 75th, no? (I haven't done the math, but it just seems that way)

Because someone who tanks in the fall in likely to tank in the winter. This is not that uncommon for fourth years. They quit caring.

[arism87]

Because someone who tanks in the fall in likely to tank in the winter. This is not that uncommon for fourth years. They quit caring.

Ah, wasn't thinking about 2 semesters. So the school reports final grades? Good to know. (I'm not even in UG anymore, just curious)

ETA: Fourth years huh, I thought calling people that was a UVA thing lol

[Dany]

NO ONE KNOWS WHY THEY REQUEST THE FALL GRADES.

Can we drop this?

[WestOfTheRest]

Because someone who tanks in the fall in likely to tank in the winter. This is not that uncommon for fourth years. They quit caring.

Ah, wasn't thinking about 2 semesters. So the school reports final grades? Good to know. (I'm not even in UG anymore, just curious)

ETA: Fourth years huh, I thought calling people that was a UVA thing lol

I'm canadian, no such thing as the fresman through senior thing here.

[Nola]

I think you are all a bunch of whiny tools. My LSAT was pretty far below the medium for Michigan and most people told me I didn't have a shot. I was one of the first admits to Michigan a few weeks ago. Personal Statements do matter and so do other non-numbers based criteria. Otherwise there would be 0 rejects with high LSATs but as we all know people with 180's get rejected all the time.

I wish you all luck in the admissions process. When you all get a little older, enter the real world, and mature you'll realize how pointless your blathering on TLS was.

Class dismissed.

[094320]

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[arism87]

I think you are all a bunch of whiny tools. My LSAT was pretty far below the medium for Michigan and most people told me I didn't have a shot. I was one of the first admits to Michigan a few weeks ago. Personal Statements do matter and so do other non-numbers based criteria. Otherwise there would be 0 rejects with high LSATs but as we all know people with 180's get rejected all the time.

I wish you all luck in the admissions process. When you all get a little older, enter the real world, and mature you'll realize how pointless your blathering on TLS was.

Class dismissed.

Totally unnecessary and unhelpful but thanks

ETA: This convo really isn't dissimilar from your own posts...

[Dany]

I think you are all a bunch of whiny tools. My LSAT was pretty far below the medium for Michigan and most people told me I didn't have a shot. I was one of the first admits to Michigan a few weeks ago. Personal Statements do matter and so do other non-numbers based criteria. Otherwise there would be 0 rejects with high LSATs but as we all know people with 180's get rejected all the time.

I wish you all luck in the admissions process. When you all get a little older, enter the real world, and mature you'll realize how pointless your blathering on TLS was.

Class dismissed.

Totally unnecessary and unhelpful but thanks

+1

[4102011]

Man, this is only slightly better than the NYC-bashing that was going on in the NYU thread earlier this week.

Let's all just be nice and chill until we start freaking out about vomit-colored envelopes in January <3

[WestOfTheRest]

I think you are all a bunch of whiny tools. My LSAT was pretty far below the medium for Michigan and most people told me I didn't have a shot. I was one of the first admits to Michigan a few weeks ago. Personal Statements do matter and so do other non-numbers based criteria. Otherwise there would be 0 rejects with high LSATs but as we all know people with 180's get rejected all the time.

I wish you all luck in the admissions process. When you all get a little older, enter the real world, and mature you'll realize how pointless your blathering on TLS was.

Class dismissed.

Thanks for providing an anecdote from a more holistic school.

[094320]

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