W&L c/o 2016 Forum

[enigmabk]

Waitlisted today :/

163/3.98

This does not bode well for me.

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[2012Split177]

Waitlisted today :/

163/3.98

!!!

OUCH.

Very surprised by this. This has to be related to all of the deferrals and limited class size. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the cycle. =/

I was really shocked. I really liked Washington and Lee and was expecting an admit and hoping for some $$$.

I am really worried something in my application (resume, personal statement, addendum) must have hurt me. This makes me worried about the rest of my cycle.

Good luck to all still waiting, PM if you have any questions.

It has got to be something up with their mega-caution this year over last year's overenrollment. They're being crazy cautious this year I bet and hopefully your application is just fine (i.e. - it's them, not you, honey). No reason why they shouldn't/won't take you off the wait list before too long and hopefully throw some $$$ your way.

[FallingHigher]

I want to thank you all for the words of encouragement. I went from having a mini-panic attack to relaxed. I will send a LOCI and updated transcript and hope for the best.

Good luck to the rest of you!

[Bourgl]

Just got accepted.

3.52/166

Congrats to everyone else

[seancris]

I was really shocked. I really liked Washington and Lee and was expecting an admit and hoping for some $$$.

I am really worried something in my application (resume, personal statement, addendum) must have hurt me. This makes me worried about the rest of my cycle.

Good luck to all still waiting, PM if you have any questions.

It has got to be something up with their mega-caution this year over last year's overenrollment. They're being crazy cautious this year I bet and hopefully your application is just fine (i.e. - it's them, not you, honey). No reason why they shouldn't/won't take you off the wait list before too long and hopefully throw some $$$ your way.

Agree. Not admitting folks with practically perfect GPAs and only one point below median LSAT is a recipe for disaster.

The great majority of above-median LSAT admits won't matriculate, and 50% of the class has to have a below median LSAT.

The WL has to be them just reserving judgement for a while.

[jstacks]

Waitlisted today.
4.0/162

[FortunaGubernans]

Got in! Very excited. Just spent about an hour reading links off of links off of links on the Admitted Students Website. About to do about an hour again. Cheers!

And seriously, my condolences to those waitlisted. I only applied to two reach schools last cycle and was waitlisted at my top and it was brutal. My heart goes out to you.

[seancris]

FWIW, literally all of the admitted students on LSN also have T14 offers (excluding the 166/3.99 that was a mistake account from the 11-12 cycle).

Would anticipate a lot of withdrawals from this batch.

ETA: Have there been any non-URM admits with median (164) or lower LSATs?

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[havanese11]

FWIW, literally all of the admitted students on LSN also have T14 offers (excluding the 166/3.99 that was a mistake account from the 11-12 cycle).

Would anticipate a lot of withdrawals from this batch.

ETA: Have there been any non-URM admits with median (164) or lower LSATs?

After reading your post I went on LSN to look, that made me feel a lot better so thank you for pointing that out. I know Washington and Lee is a good school, but it isn't on par with Cornell just yet. Their admission strategy needs some adjustments, I hope they figure it out sooner rather than later.

[seancris]

So...are all the number geeks in agreement that the over enrollment issue is the main cause of the WL crisis? I don't even pretend to know about this stuff, but I did see that W&L had a serious ranking jump. They went from the 30s up to 24. Could this matter? Could it be that they are trying to raise their medians?

Could be the over enrollment. Could just be the new AD's way of doing business.

I wouldn't worry about it. The idea that 4.0/163's won't be admitted is unreasonable, given that literally half of the class will likely have a score of 163 or lower and the GPA end of things doesn't get any better than that.

Given that, I tend to think that they're treating these WL's like a priority reserve or something.

Total speculation, but it helps pass the time.

After reading your post I went on LSN to look, that made me feel a lot better so thank you for pointing that out. I know Washington and Lee is a good school, but it isn't on par with Cornell just yet. Their admission strategy needs some adjustments, I hope they figure it out sooner rather than later.

Even the 161/3.6 that was admitted has two T14 offers, lol.

[havanese11]

So...are all the number geeks in agreement that the over enrollment issue is the main cause of the WL crisis? I don't even pretend to know about this stuff, but I did see that W&L had a serious ranking jump. They went from the 30s up to 24. Could this matter? Could it be that they are trying to raise their medians?

My personal hunch is that the reason the ranking jumped is mostly BECAUSE fewer people turned the school down last cycle. I've heard that when fewer students decline admission the school it can increase a school's ranking. I'm sure they would love to raise their medians but if everyone they accept this cycle already has acceptances to T14 schools then there will be more people withdraw and the school might drop back down to ~30 in the ranking by having to accept larger numbers of applicants. Obviously I'm no expert, and could be way off base but it is just my hunch. I hope I am wrong but if not I sure do hope for my sake they start accepting applicants closer to their medians who want to attend so that their ranking stays in the ~24 range.

[Strings1234]

Admitted yesterday.

LSAT: 167
GPA: 3.14

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[sergiokun16]

Applying for fun I guess, my numbers won't get me in but I'm too in love with the school to not apply. 158 LSAT and 3.76 GPA, real strong softs but I think unless I had been President I know what answer I should expect from them lol. Anyways, I found something odd. I sent in my application on 11/29, went complete that day, and am under review as of 11/30. That's FAST. The "no" answer must have been an easy decision hahaha. Whatever, just wanted to chime in. Best of luck to everyone else, this school is awesome.

[Dubyuhnell]

As a current student... I think you most of you dont realize how different w&L admissions work... they are truly the example of not being number whores... especially this year with already having 20 or so student already committed from deferrals. they really look beyond numbers to what a person would not only bring to the academic sphere of W&L but also to the community. Please do not be shocked when someone with lower numbers gets an accpetance here. We are still a top 25 law school and they will get the numbers they need to maintain medians but after that they look at the entire application.

Good luck to everybody

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[FallingHigher]

Fallinghigher, your LSN now shows a 164 lsat score but you just posted that you had a 163. Can you please clarify? I think my blood pressure just went through the roof.

I PM you with the detail. Pretty much, I changed LSN numbers slightly for autonomy. My reports on here earlier are accurate. Sorry for the confusion!

[mh33]

Checking in. My app was received 11/13, went in review 11/26. How long do people think until the next round of decisions?
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[seancris]

Checking in. My app was received 11/13, went in review 11/26. How long do people think until the next round of decisions?
(3.51/166)

The Thanksgiving email said that a new batch of decisions would be coming weekly up until the next holiday break, so there will likely be another round this week sometime.

The email also said that it would be 3-4 weeks after our review dates that we got decisions, but I didn't take that seriously since all law schools say things like that and then end up auto-admitting median+ applicants. With this batch, it seemed like only people who were under review near 11/1 were included. So I'm thinking it might really be 3-4 weeks after our "in review" dates that we get decisions. Which would suck. In that case wouldn't hear back until next week, at the earliest.

[TheThriller]

As a current student... I think you most of you dont realize how different w&L admissions work... they are truly the example of not being number whores... especially this year with already having 20 or so student already committed from deferrals. they really look beyond numbers to what a person would not only bring to the academic sphere of W&L but also to the community. Please do not be shocked when someone with lower numbers gets an accpetance here. We are still a top 25 law school and they will get the numbers they need to maintain medians but after that they look at the entire application.

Good luck to everybody

Thats odd because my numbers got me waitlisted but compared to the softs that prior applicants listed on LSN mine are arguably more "impressive".

W&L is just like any other lawschool when it comes to admissions and it's naive to think otherwise.

[jaysgirl42671]

If we go by that, I should have been waitlisted again last year, but they obviously knew I was interested in the school. Do the optional essay and make sure they know if they're one of your top choices - I think that seriously makes a difference.