TLS c/o 2020 - In #Squad We Trust Forum

[Keilz]

Rigo, you're so helpful answering everyone's double deposit questions.

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

Speaking of Harry Potter, are there wizard/witch lawyers? Like, they make magical contracts and spend all day doing discovery for Ministry of Magic V. Weasley for his illegal muggle experiments?

they had a judiciary (the wizengamot) so that seems to imply some kind of wizard jurisprudence

Yeah, but like any headmaster could just provide representation without the client even asking, so would they have focused attorneys?

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

While we're discussing Magic school admissions, if you're not an auto admit than how is that process determined? Harry got GMU level spammed to attend and he didn't take a test or even do anything except trap his cousin in a zoo exhibit. Do children have to exhibit some magical aptitude unwittingly? Seeing as how frowned upon that is the second they enroll you would think they would have a better process.

[Rigo]

Rigo, you're so helpful answering everyone's double deposit questions.

Aw yeah I've just been around so long that I just have a general knowledge of nearly everything law school admissions. (Hire me Spi.vey!)
Plus I was just talking to my really good friend the other day and he double deposited at two T20's and effectively got ~5-10k more out of it from his target so it was well worth the lost deposit in his mind.
Not saying it always works or is even advisable, but if you truly are undecided and need more money to commit, it can work.

Adcoms have been around the block and know the deal. They won't clutch their pearls and be appalled.

[Keilz]

While we're discussing Magic school admissions, if you're not an auto admit than how is that process determined? Harry got GMU level spammed to attend and he didn't take a test or even do anything except trap his cousin in a zoo exhibit. Do children have to exhibit some magical aptitude unwittingly? Seeing as how frowned upon that is the second they enroll you would think they would have a better process.

Harry is the famous admit, he wasn't particularly good at anything related to magic.

[jstans]

While we're discussing Magic school admissions, if you're not an auto admit than how is that process determined? Harry got GMU level spammed to attend and he didn't take a test or even do anything except trap his cousin in a zoo exhibit. Do children have to exhibit some magical aptitude unwittingly? Seeing as how frowned upon that is the second they enroll you would think they would have a better process.

Can't downplay this aspect of his application, it's a next-level soft.

[jjcorvino]

While we're discussing Magic school admissions, if you're not an auto admit than how is that process determined? Harry got GMU level spammed to attend and he didn't take a test or even do anything except trap his cousin in a zoo exhibit. Do children have to exhibit some magical aptitude unwittingly? Seeing as how frowned upon that is the second they enroll you would think they would have a better process.

Harry is the famous admit, he wasn't particularly good at anything related to magic.

Hogwarts=Harvard?

[waldorf]

To offer the other perspective of someone who grew up with money, coming from the family I do is a pretty big advantage over people who come from working class families. My parents paid for whatever LSAT prep I needed, I didn't have to worry about application fees, I have 0 debt from graduation atr UG, and I never had to work because of money issues. But most importantly, even though I have a small scholarship at a T13, I'll graduate law school completely debt free because of my parents. Those are huge advantages that I'm really lucky to have and anyone coming from a similar position as me would be incredibly stupid not to realize.

middle-class checking in with third perspective

i paid my way through college and for LSAT prep
i have a modest amount of debt from UG (<$30k)

but i always knew that i could rely on my parents for:
a place to live temporarily
monetary advice
to pay a bill here or there if I was strapped
to instill in me at a young age the importance of logic and critical thinking, etc.

I think that last one is such a valuable experience that many more impoverished folks do not get the benefit of, because of lack of generational academic experience. Being raised in an environment that values not only schooling but academia is a huge leg-up on the LSAT.

Popping in late. I was never above middle class growing up, but I got almost a full ride to state school, and my father was able to foot the 5k a year that wasn't covered along with paying some other bills (car insurance, kept me on his cell phone plan, health insurance). I worked full time during college to cover room and board, groceries, entertainment, etc. and paid for my LSAT prep. And the same thing: if I was really strapped for cash, I knew my dad would pay a month's rent or take me grocery shopping. He'd visit me at my undergrad and take me out to a nice dinner every once in awhile.

But besides being able to graduate debt free, I was raised (by a single parent, but still) by a parent who had two graduate degrees along with a college education. It was never a question of "will I go to college?" but "where will I go to college?". At a very young age, my father instilled in me the importance of education, critical thinking abilities, networking, etc... all of those made a huge difference in my life, possibly more so than having zero undergrad debt. And like you said, I never had too many financial worries because although I paid most bills myself, I knew that if I was really desperate, my dad could help me out. I always had a fallback plan if things got really rough.

My dad passed last August and damn, it is scary not having that financial safety net if things somehow got really hard. I cannot imagine having had that feeling my entire life. All of y'all are amazing and your perseverance is commendable.

[azaleafire]

everyone has a movie that the whole world has seen and they never have. Mine is Harry Potter.

Brb, gonna go watch the movies/read the books real quick so this all makes sense to me.

Mine is Star Wars. And Star Trek. And The Matrix.

Late af but same!

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

everyone has a movie that the whole world has seen and they never have. Mine is Harry Potter.

Brb, gonna go watch the movies/read the books real quick so this all makes sense to me.

Mine is Star Wars. And Star Trek. And The Matrix.

Late af but same!

Jeez, y'all got some homework

[calpolisci2016]

To offer the other perspective of someone who grew up with money, coming from the family I do is a pretty big advantage over people who come from working class families. My parents paid for whatever LSAT prep I needed, I didn't have to worry about application fees, I have 0 debt from graduation atr UG, and I never had to work because of money issues. But most importantly, even though I have a small scholarship at a T13, I'll graduate law school completely debt free because of my parents. Those are huge advantages that I'm really lucky to have and anyone coming from a similar position as me would be incredibly stupid not to realize.

middle-class checking in with third perspective

i paid my way through college and for LSAT prep
i have a modest amount of debt from UG (<$30k)

but i always knew that i could rely on my parents for:
a place to live temporarily
monetary advice
to pay a bill here or there if I was strapped
to instill in me at a young age the importance of logic and critical thinking, etc.

I think that last one is such a valuable experience that many more impoverished folks do not get the benefit of, because of lack of generational academic experience. Being raised in an environment that values not only schooling but academia is a huge leg-up on the LSAT.

Popping in late. I was never above middle class growing up, but I got almost a full ride to state school, and my father was able to foot the 5k a year that wasn't covered along with paying some other bills (car insurance, kept me on his cell phone plan, health insurance). I worked full time during college to cover room and board, groceries, entertainment, etc. and paid for my LSAT prep. And the same thing: if I was really strapped for cash, I knew my dad would pay a month's rent or take me grocery shopping. He'd visit me at my undergrad and take me out to a nice dinner every once in awhile.

But besides being able to graduate debt free, I was raised (by a single parent, but still) by a parent who had two graduate degrees along with a college education. It was never a question of "will I go to college?" but "where will I go to college?". At a very young age, my father instilled in me the importance of education, critical thinking abilities, networking, etc... all of those made a huge difference in my life, possibly more so than having zero undergrad debt. And like you said, I never had too many financial worries because although I paid most bills myself, I knew that if I was really desperate, my dad could help me out. I always had a fallback plan if things got really rough.

My dad passed last August and damn, it is scary not having that financial safety net if things somehow got really hard. I cannot imagine having had that feeling my entire life. All of y'all are amazing and your perseverance is commendable.

This is pretty much the opposite of my experience. I'm an immigrant from a poor country, lived with only my mom, who didn't speak fluent English, had no college degree, and had no familiarity or focus on education. She had to work two menial jobs so I hardly ever saw her, and I was left on my own to figure things out. I was not instilled any of the traits you listed, and I ended up being a wayward teenager.

It was only after I enlisted the military, out of a desire to change myself and provide economic security, that I discovered discipline and work ethic. The most fundamental traits to success. That led me to college, where I slowly learned critical thinking. It was only until I started studying for the lsat that my mind REALLY became critical. I honestly loved having studied for the lsat because I feel like I learned more about how to think studying for it than learning in college. Maybe that's how behind I was, but I didn't realize how fallacious and biased my thinking was.

And ditto on the money thing. even though I have a decent savings now, thanks to being thrifty from the military plus my GI bill, I'm still quite the penny pincher. My mom has no assets and if anything happens, it's up to me and my savings to bail us out. So I'm always very careful about how much money I have in the bank. This also adds a layer of anxiety that some others probably don't have, but at the same time I think having the foresight and discipline to plan ahead is a priceless mindset.

Even though I'll have a lot of debt coming out of law school, I'm still incredibly excited to have the chance to make a ton of money as a first year associate. It's pretty mind blowing to me how far I've had to come along and the places I've been. I remember being five years old and living in an apartment with three families. Now I'm a few short years away from reaching what is considered the top/elite of American society. I know lots of others are still struggling and we have plenty of problems, but I very much love the general system/values of this country because of how much it's done for me.

I'm also incredibly excited that in the future, my children will probably grow up with the same safety net and comfort as you. I'm gonna be so happy to give them what I didn't have, but of course I want them to also work very hard and not fall into the trap of complacency just because their parents make a lot of money. Definitely a balancing act.

[brinicolec]

You guys nerding out with all the Harry Potter stuff made me 1) wish I read the books and 2) want to re-watch all the movies because it's the best I can do Seeing as the movies are like 3925290 hours long each, I suppose I'll have to dedicate a couple days to it.

Michigan definitely looks most like Hogwarts based on pictures of other schools I've seen.

[Mr_Chukes]

You guys nerding out with all the Harry Potter stuff made me 1) wish I read the books and 2) want to re-watch all the movies because it's the best I can do Seeing as the movies are like 3925290 hours long each, I suppose I'll have to dedicate a couple days to it.

Michigan definitely looks most like Hogwarts based on pictures of other schools I've seen.

That's what people say lol. Enjoy the snow homie.

[Kopetz]

Anyone else seen Wizard People, Dear Reader? As far as I'm concerned it's canon

[jjcorvino]

Ok enough of Harry Potter. More serious convo, in Star Wars, the Jedi were basically an interplanetary peacekeeping force. They also served as a group for dispute resolution. At the Jedi Academy do they teach arbitration? Can you get a dual degree in the force and law?

I wonder what sort of softs you need for the Jedi Academy JD.

[Monday]

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[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

Ok enough of Harry Potter. More serious convo, in Star Wars, the Jedi were basically an interplanetary peacekeeping force. They also served as a group for dispute resolution. At the Jedi Academy do they teach arbitration? Can you get a dual degree in the force and law?

I wonder what sort of softs you need for the Jedi Academy JD.

I always thought the peace keeping abilities had to be innate, it was what separated those admitted into the academy from the sith and untrained jedi. So I don't know if they would teach it.

I have a combined question though:

In Star Wars, and HP, is there secondary/post-secondary education? It seems that everyone goes through rather general training and is then placed into highly specific positions. I guess Jedi training is rather specific, but there is still further specialization that we see among the council. Is there more specialized education or is it all otjt?

[jjcorvino]

Ok enough of Harry Potter. More serious convo, in Star Wars, the Jedi were basically an interplanetary peacekeeping force. They also served as a group for dispute resolution. At the Jedi Academy do they teach arbitration? Can you get a dual degree in the force and law?

I wonder what sort of softs you need for the Jedi Academy JD.

I always thought the peace keeping abilities had to be innate, it was what separated those admitted into the academy from the sith and untrained jedi. So I don't know if they would teach it.

I have a combined question though:

In Star Wars, and HP, is there secondary/post-secondary education? It seems that everyone goes through rather general training and is then placed into highly specific positions. I guess Jedi training is rather specific, but there is still further specialization that we see among the council. Is there more specialized education or is it all otjt?

I always thought this was weird in fantasy/sci-fi. There is always one school that everyone goes to and there never seems to be a choice. Everyone just gets in and goes.

I really liked how Ender's game handled the background. They spoke specifically about the selection process and how exclusive the school was. Although that was really the whole point of the book so I guess they couldn't not talk about it.

[Rigo]

You guys nerding out with all the Harry Potter stuff made me 1) wish I read the books

I highly recommend the Jim Dale audiobooks.

[Stylnator]

You guys nerding out with all the Harry Potter stuff made me 1) wish I read the books

I highly recommend the Jim Dale audiobooks.

Not sure if it was Jim Dale but this is how I got started with HP way back when. by the end of the first audiobook I got so obsessed I blew through all the physical copies and eventually I loved reading books (before I couldn't be bothered to pick one up)

[SybillAnnDorsett]

sorry to interject with non-wizarding, nonfiction suggestions, but speaking of books, has anyone read a colony in a nation?

i'm really enjoying it, and I didn't think I would because I thought it would be Chris Hayes airing out white guilt the whole time. thankfully that is not what he does at all. I think if you've not read the New Jim Crow, do that and then pick up Colony. Hayes draws on Alexander directly and indirectly.

[Kopetz]

Ok enough of Harry Potter. More serious convo, in Star Wars, the Jedi were basically an interplanetary peacekeeping force. They also served as a group for dispute resolution. At the Jedi Academy do they teach arbitration? Can you get a dual degree in the force and law?

I wonder what sort of softs you need for the Jedi Academy JD.

I always thought the peace keeping abilities had to be innate, it was what separated those admitted into the academy from the sith and untrained jedi. So I don't know if they would teach it.

I have a combined question though:

In Star Wars, and HP, is there secondary/post-secondary education? It seems that everyone goes through rather general training and is then placed into highly specific positions. I guess Jedi training is rather specific, but there is still further specialization that we see among the council. Is there more specialized education or is it all otjt?

I always thought this was weird in fantasy/sci-fi. There is always one school that everyone goes to and there never seems to be a choice. Everyone just gets in and goes.

I really liked how Ender's game handled the background. They spoke specifically about the selection process and how exclusive the school was. Although that was really the whole point of the book so I guess they couldn't not talk about it.

The selectivity seems to be a baked-in part of the fantasy -- the main character is somehow better/smarter/more worthy than their mundane peers and gets swept away into a hidden world of magic and power which has to be exclusive by default. We're not concerned with other schools because Harry, Ender, Anakin, etc. get into the best one.

The Magicians by Lev Grossman is a decent (but flawed) satire of the genre that's good reading if you can tolerate some really obnoxious characters. Its Harry Potter surrogate isn't a selfless and tragic orphan, but an arrogant overachieving gunner type, and so is everyone else at its Hogwarts.

[S.Picquery]

Speaking of Harry Potter, are there wizard/witch lawyers? Like, they make magical contracts and spend all day doing discovery for Ministry of Magic V. Weasley for his illegal muggle experiments?

they had a judiciary (the wizengamot) so that seems to imply some kind of wizard jurisprudence

Yeah, but like any headmaster could just provide representation without the client even asking, so would they have focused attorneys?

As I understand it, the wizengamot was supposed to be a commentary on the ineffectiveness on British parliament and their legal system. It was part of the books' overarching themes of "don't trust the gov't/authority just because they have a title." There are wizengamot procedures and laws, but as we've seen in both the source and secondary materials, there is no formal representation system comparable to what muggles (or no-maj, if you're a heathen) have.

I helped write a Potterverse RPG in undergrad and had a new minister gain popularity because she rewrote how the wizengamot worked, and how the Department of Magical Law Enforcement conducted investigations. We had to create dedicated Voices (lawyers) for those on trial -- the premise was after the war, the Order and the Death Eaters were all considered terrorists. Also Wizard Brexit was happening. Things got weird.

[S.Picquery]

You guys nerding out with all the Harry Potter stuff made me 1) wish I read the books

I highly recommend the Jim Dale audiobooks.

Not sure if it was Jim Dale but this is how I got started with HP way back when. by the end of the first audiobook I got so obsessed I blew through all the physical copies and eventually I loved reading books (before I couldn't be bothered to pick one up)

Jim Dale is amazing. Highly recommend those recording over Stephen Frye's

[jjcorvino]

Speaking of Harry Potter, are there wizard/witch lawyers? Like, they make magical contracts and spend all day doing discovery for Ministry of Magic V. Weasley for his illegal muggle experiments?

they had a judiciary (the wizengamot) so that seems to imply some kind of wizard jurisprudence

Yeah, but like any headmaster could just provide representation without the client even asking, so would they have focused attorneys?

As I understand it, the wizengamot was supposed to be a commentary on the ineffectiveness on British parliament and their legal system. It was part of the books' overarching themes of "don't trust the gov't/authority just because they have a title." There are wizengamot procedures and laws, but as we've seen in both the source and secondary materials, there is no formal representation system comparable to what muggles (or no-maj, if you're a heathen) have.

I helped write a Potterverse RPG in undergrad and had a new minister gain popularity because she rewrote how the wizengamot worked, and how the Department of Magical Law Enforcement conducted investigations. We had to create dedicated Voices (lawyers) for those on trial -- the premise was after the war, the Order and the Death Eaters were all considered terrorists. Also Wizard Brexit was happening. Things got weird.

Please tell me you attached the RPG notes as an addendum on your applications