WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle) Forum

[johnnyquest]

Quick Section Guide

A: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Greenfield)
B: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Badawi)
C: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
D: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
E: Torts (Norwood), Crim (Osgood), K (DeGeest)
F: Torts (Norwood), Con Law (Flagg), K (DeGeest)

Schedule bonus tidbits:
A: light M/T days
B: Most Balanced Schedule award
C: No classes Fridays, no big gaps between classes M-R
D: No classes Fridays, with large gaps between classes M and T
E: No classes Mondays
F: No classes before 10:30 AM

Cuse, Sublime, et all: Would you mind ranking the sections?

[DoveBodyWash]

Quick Section Guide

A: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Greenfield)
B: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Badawi)
C: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
D: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
E: Torts (Norwood), Crim (Osgood), K (DeGeest)
F: Torts (Norwood), Con Law (Flagg), K (DeGeest)

Schedule bonus tidbits:
A: light M/T days
B: Most Balanced Schedule award
C: No classes Fridays, no big gaps between classes M-R
D: No classes Fridays, with large gaps between classes M and T
E: No classes Mondays
F: No classes before 10:30 AM

Cuse, Sublime, et all: Would you mind ranking the sections?

lol it's hard for us to rank sections objectively. I can be super biased about it though if you're down with that. Will probably offend some of my classmates who lurk this thread though.

[DoveBodyWash]

Quick Section Guide

A: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Greenfield)
B: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Badawi)
C: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
D: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
E: Torts (Norwood), Crim (Osgood), K (DeGeest)
F: Torts (Norwood), Con Law (Flagg), K (DeGeest)

Cuse, Sublime, et all: Would you mind ranking the sections?

First, ignore the schedule stuff. Because it's time to man up and just deal with whatever schedule that life hands you.

Second, this is all my opinion based on my own experience and those of my friends who had the other profs. Apology in advance if some lurker classmate struggled really hard with a professor that I thought was easy.

Section A
I think Section A has the toughest task as far as coming ahead on the curve. Their small section class is Greenfield, who is the mother-of-all contract professors. Tough prof, tough exam. They also have Mandelker, who traditionally has a flat curve because his exam is so easy. I don't know anything noteworthy about Goldwassar. I never heard anyone complaining or praising regarding her Torts class. If you're in this section, triage Mandelker and pour as much time into hacking Greenfield/Goldwassar. Very likely that you get B+ or A- in Mandelker no matter how hard you try (there are exceptions of course). But K/Torts is where you should try to accumulate the bulk of your points.

Section B
Similar to A. Only difference is Badawai. He didn't teach us, so can't provide any insight here.

Section C and D
IMO the best sections to be in for getting ahead of the curve. Tamanaha is classic issue spotter/horse race. You can drill yourself to an A via practice tests. His entire course can be boiled down to a one-page exam outline and the material is very formulaic. Find a 2L or 3L to give you some guidance and prepared to take a ton of practice tests. His curve usually ends up being bimodal with lower spike getting B/B- and upper spike getting A-/A. Konig is an annoying professor to have because he hasn't gotten complete grasp of this "teaching law school" thing yet. Buy Understanding Property by Sprankling. Apparently he teaches right out of it. Be prepared to do nothing all semester and then a mad scramble towards finals as he tries to cover all the material that he got behind on. Pay attention to all latin terminology and history-esque topics. Baker is the prof that gives zero fucks. Join PAD, download my Baker outline from the outline bank. I didn't upload the complete outline or the rest of my K materials into the PAD bank though. Because I want to retain the option to handpick a mentee for that course. But I will say this, he will talk all the time about how he doesn't care about the cases. But do not ignore the cases. U need to know the UCC like the back of your hand as well as the cases that illustrate common law K principles. His practice tests are a joke. He gives u a test that he used for the LLM students, which is hilariously easy and unrepresentative of the actual final you'll take. There are old exams from his days at UNC that are closer to the difficulty of your final. Feel free to PM me if u have him and i'll send those to you.

Section E
Didn't have Norwood. Just know that she has multiple choice questions on her final. If you have Osgood then prepared to get super abstract. He's not a formulaic prof and prefers to dabble in history and philosophy. None of us had DeGeest but i have a friend in the 3L class (who is now at Harvard) who got 100 with him. Apparently it's all about dem policy arguments. So pay special attention to his policy views.

Section F
Same thing as above for DeGeest/Norwood. If you have Flagg, go with God. Just kidding..kind of. My only advice is to (1) do not neglect her midterm. She says it counts, no one really knows for sure if it does or not, don't risk it. (2) Find a 2L who did well. She has very specific preferences as far as phrasing your argument.


ETA: Sorry, should have included more substantive Mandelker advice. DO NOT FALL BEHIND on the readings. At the end of every week, index and organize your cases. Summarize them. Trying to do it all at the end of term is hell. If you stay on top of it diligently, you could very well be in that small group of ppl that get A or higher. His exam is literally just matching the question up with a case. Five questions, 300 words each. Three hours, completely open book. You won't have to study for his final at all minus cursory review if you stay diligent throughout the course as far as indexing your cases

[chuckbass]

If I've said it once I've said it a million times: I <3 Cuse

[Fiero85]

ignore the schedule stuff. Because it's time to man up and just deal with whatever schedule that life hands you.

Agreed. Just trying to have some positives for people with shitty sections (perhaps myself included???)

And muchos gracias as always, cuse

[chuckbass]

ignore the schedule stuff. Because it's time to man up and just deal with whatever schedule that life hands you.

Agreed. Just trying to have some positives for people with shitty sections (perhaps myself included???)

And muchos gracias as always, cuse

C/D is like perfect professors and schedules doe. Those were what I wanted originally and cuse confirmed that for me above.

[Fiero85]

Yeah I'm fine with any A thru E.

But F sounds god awful

[DoveBodyWash]

talk to sublime for Greenfield. His ratio of fucks-given-to-exam-points is ridiculous. So few fucks. But so many points.

[DoveBodyWash]

Yeah I'm fine with any A thru E.

But F sounds god awful

i've heard great things about DeGeest. Norwood is neutral. But having Con Law your first term in general is just rough. The fact that it's Flagg is rough too.

[chuckbass]

Yeah I'm fine with any A thru E.

But F sounds god awful

i've heard great things about DeGeest. Norwood is neutral. But having Con Law your first term in general is just rough. The fact that it's Flagg is rough too.

Yea I don't want Con Law.

[workaholic82]

Quick Section Guide

A: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Greenfield)
B: Torts (Goldwasser), Prop (Mandelker), K (Badawi)
C: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
D: Torts (Tamanaha), Prop, (Konig), K (Baker)
E: Torts (Norwood), Crim (Osgood), K (DeGeest)
F: Torts (Norwood), Con Law (Flagg), K (DeGeest)

Cuse, Sublime, et all: Would you mind ranking the sections?

First, ignore the schedule stuff. Because it's time to man up and just deal with whatever schedule that life hands you.

Second, this is all my opinion based on my own experience and those of my friends who had the other profs. Apology in advance if some lurker classmate struggled really hard with a professor that I thought was easy.

Section A
I think Section A has the toughest task as far as coming ahead on the curve. Their small section class is Greenfield, who is the mother-of-all contract professors. Tough prof, tough exam. They also have Mandelker, who traditionally has a flat curve because his exam is so easy. I don't know anything noteworthy about Goldwassar. I never heard anyone complaining or praising regarding her Torts class. If you're in this section, triage Mandelker and pour as much time into hacking Greenfield/Goldwassar. Very likely that you get B+ or A- in Mandelker no matter how hard you try (there are exceptions of course). But K/Torts is where you should try to accumulate the bulk of your points.

Section B
Similar to A. Only difference is Badawai. He didn't teach us, so can't provide any insight here.

Section C and D
IMO the best sections to be in for getting ahead of the curve. Tamanaha is classic issue spotter/horse race. You can drill yourself to an A via practice tests. His entire course can be boiled down to a one-page exam outline and the material is very formulaic. Find a 2L or 3L to give you some guidance and prepared to take a ton of practice tests. His curve usually ends up being bimodal with lower spike getting B/B- and upper spike getting A-/A. Konig is an annoying professor to have because he hasn't gotten complete grasp of this "teaching law school" thing yet. Buy Understanding Property by Sprankling. Apparently he teaches right out of it. Be prepared to do nothing all semester and then a mad scramble towards finals as he tries to cover all the material that he got behind on. Pay attention to all latin terminology and history-esque topics. Baker is the prof that gives zero fucks. Join PAD, download my Baker outline from the outline bank. I didn't upload the complete outline or the rest of my K materials into the PAD bank though. Because I want to retain the option to handpick a mentee for that course. But I will say this, he will talk all the time about how he doesn't care about the cases. But do not ignore the cases. U need to know the UCC like the back of your hand as well as the cases that illustrate common law K principles. His practice tests are a joke. He gives u a test that he used for the LLM students, which is hilariously easy and unrepresentative of the actual final you'll take. There are old exams from his days at UNC that are closer to the difficulty of your final. Feel free to PM me if u have him and i'll send those to you.

Section E
Didn't have Norwood. Just know that she has multiple choice questions on her final. If you have Osgood then prepared to get super abstract. He's not a formulaic prof and prefers to dabble in history and philosophy. None of us had DeGeest but i have a friend in the 3L class (who is now at Harvard) who got 100 with him. Apparently it's all about dem policy arguments. So pay special attention to his policy views.

Section F
Same thing as above for DeGeest/Norwood. If you have Flagg, go with God. Just kidding..kind of. My only advice is to (1) do not neglect her midterm. She says it counts, no one really knows for sure if it does or not, don't risk it. (2) Find a 2L who did well. She has very specific preferences as far as phrasing your argument.


ETA: Sorry, should have included more substantive Mandelker advice. DO NOT FALL BEHIND on the readings. At the end of every week, index and organize your cases. Summarize them. Trying to do it all at the end of term is hell. If you stay on top of it diligently, you could very well be in that small group of ppl that get A or higher. His exam is literally just matching the question up with a case. Five questions, 300 words each. Three hours, completely open book. You won't have to study for his final at all minus cursory review if you stay diligent throughout the course as far as indexing your cases

I ac-cuse you of being awesome, thanks for this.

[Fiero85]

I ac-cuse you of being awesome, thanks for this.

I'll admit, I lolled there

#punlovingguy

[workaholic82]

I ac-cuse you of being awesome, thanks for this.

I'll admit, I lolled there

#punlovingguy

If i can elicit one chortle, then my existence will not have been in vain!

[njdevils2626]

Drops knowledge bombs left and right

At this rate, Cuse will spend his whole 2L year drinking on our dime with how much we owe him

[DoveBodyWash]

Drops knowledge bombs left and right

At this rate, Cuse will spend his whole 2L year drinking on our dime with how much we owe him

Lol pay it forward with the next generation of 0Ls and we'll call it even

[peachesthedoge]

Drops knowledge bombs left and right

At this rate, Cuse will spend his whole 2L year drinking on our dime with how much we owe him

Lol pay it forward with the next generation of 0Ls and we'll call it even

ew no 0L's are the worst trololol

[Fiero85]

Drops knowledge bombs left and right

At this rate, Cuse will spend his whole 2L year drinking on our dime with how much we owe him

Ulterior motive alert

ETA: he puled the classic "pay it forward" shitk so I've been thwarted.

Well played, cuse.

[Fiero85]

And chortle is a friggin 180 word, workz.

[workaholic82]

And chortle is a friggin 180 word, workz.

I pullz no punchez with my fellow WUSTlers(z)...

[Fiero85]

We almost to pg 300, gang. Nice.

Cuse, sublime, & co:

How did you guys get to 300 in like March of your cycle? Respect.
And how did you let it fizzle out at 399? Respect tentatively retracted...

[DoveBodyWash]

We almost to pg 300, gang. Nice.

Cuse, sublime, & co:

How did you guys get to 300 in like March of your cycle? Respect.
And how did you let it fizzle out at 399? Respect tentatively retracted...

we had about twice as many posters during the initial frenzy...then another surge after full ride bail out

But then we stopped talking to each other once we started school because all the discussion moved to Facebook

[Fiero85]

Darn Zuckerburg

[Fiero85]

I suppose our cycle has been less dramatic and was shorter for many, with scholly releases starting in December. People started committing or peace-ing out earlier, therefore less people waiting.

[DoveBodyWash]

I suppose our cycle has been less dramatic and was shorter for many, with scholly releases starting in December. People started committing or peace-ing out earlier, therefore less people waiting.

yeah...but still...even ur page count is ridiculously high. 400 page threads are not the norm haha

[Fiero85]

I suppose our cycle has been less dramatic and was shorter for many, with scholly releases starting in December. People started committing or peace-ing out earlier, therefore less people waiting.

yeah...but still...even ur page count is ridiculously high. 400 page threads are not the norm haha

Yeah well what we lack in preftige we make up for in interweb forum notoriety

(suck it HYS)