TLS c/o 2021 Applicants Thread Forum

[Rllesueur]

Fee waiver requests for Berkeley are up.

Thanks! Just requested mine.

[Ntp73821]

Had the same thing happen to me. Sent a polite reminder weeks ago and the professor said he would get on it. That letter is still not submitted. Fortunately, I had other professors I could go to. I think if they don't get it done fairly quickly it may be best to go with someone else. How stellar of a LOR are they gonna write if you have to keep asking them to do it?

I kind of anticipated this from one of the professors because she's a procrastinator and I've know that since I took her class. But I met with her every single week and did an additional 20 page paper for her class, so I feel like she's the most qualified to write a good LOR. Another one of my LOR writers is an instructor I had my first year who is now one of my closest friends, so I definitely want to wait his out. I think I feel the weirdest following up with him because I know him so well that I feel like it's awkward to be like"so, about that letter." I have other professors I could ask, but I feel that their letters would be luke warm at best. I'm a generally quiet person and just sit in the back and do my own thing, so I didn't really make an impression on a good number of my professors.

[rowdy]

Does anyone have thoughts on UCI now that Dean Chemerinsky is leaving? On paper it looks like it could be great value for a west-coaster who isn't willing to pay sticker at UCLA or Berkeley. But I don't know how much of a dive in clerkship placement / job outcomes is likely without Chem.

Personally, I believe that it could be a good option if you aim for small gov't / local clerkship / PI and you get full tuition. However, it has absolutely no impact outside California and little impact outside LA area, which is still noticeably behind UCLA and USC... They need some years to consolidate their position. I mean, they did great recently but I think that compared to other tied schools (GWU for DC area or UofW in Seattle) they are fairly behind. In 5-7 years... Who knows!

Where is the Dean directed?

Dean Chemerinsky left after his 10 year contract to go to Berkeley.

I disagree that UCI is behind UW - UCI has marginally better LTFT employment and equal biglaw, but far superior federal clerkship numbers. I think the question is how quickly it will regress since the dean is leaving. I'm also curious if the biglaw numbers will go up as clerkships go down--presumably students with the resume for a clerkship would be competitive for a biglaw offer. UCI clearly lags behind USC/UCLA in biglaw, but it is far more generous with scholarships, and it has decent employment numbers, so I suspect it could be a good value for someone who is not biglaw-or-bust.

[NavyNuke]

Fee waiver requests for Berkeley are up.

Thanks! Just requested mine.

No problem!

[NavyNuke]

Had the same thing happen to me. Sent a polite reminder weeks ago and the professor said he would get on it. That letter is still not submitted. Fortunately, I had other professors I could go to. I think if they don't get it done fairly quickly it may be best to go with someone else. How stellar of a LOR are they gonna write if you have to keep asking them to do it?

I kind of anticipated this from one of the professors because she's a procrastinator and I've know that since I took her class. But I met with her every single week and did an additional 20 page paper for her class, so I feel like she's the most qualified to write a good LOR. Another one of my LOR writers is an instructor I had my first year who is now one of my closest friends, so I definitely want to wait his out. I think I feel the weirdest following up with him because I know him so well that I feel like it's awkward to be like"so, about that letter." I have other professors I could ask, but I feel that their letters would be luke warm at best. I'm a generally quiet person and just sit in the back and do my own thing, so I didn't really make an impression on a good number of my professors.

Yeah my case was totally different. If you have such a close relationship with this person, then I'm sure they won't be annoyed by you following up. Just ask if there is anything else they need from you.

[maybeman]

Checking tf in!!!!!! How is everybody????

[Ntp73821]

Yeah my case was totally different. If you have such a close relationship with this person, then I'm sure they won't be annoyed by you following up. Just ask if there is anything else they need from you.

Ok, I followed up with LOR writers. Hopefully they don't think I'm TOO pushy

edit: one of them responded in 2 minutes with "I just needed a reminder. LOL!"

[twiix]

Yeah my case was totally different. If you have such a close relationship with this person, then I'm sure they won't be annoyed by you following up. Just ask if there is anything else they need from you.

Ok, I followed up with LOR writers. Hopefully they don't think I'm TOO pushy

edit: one of them responded in 2 minutes with "I just needed a reminder. LOL!"

I was nervous about getting LOR's back too, then 2 of my UG professors submitted theirs within 5 minutes of each other. I was like wtf did you guys meet in the computer lab and write them together?

Feels good to have that sigh of relief when they show up though.

[Ntp73821]

I was nervous about getting LOR's back too, then 2 of my UG professors submitted theirs within 5 minutes of each other. I was like wtf did you guys meet in the computer lab and write them together?

Feels good to have that sigh of relief when they show up though.

Lol at writing them together. "Did you say Twiix was the best student you've ever had? Ugh, me too. Ok, I'll come up with another line."

It makes me pretty anxious waiting on them to write letters. I think I'm even more anxious about not knowing what they're saying about me.

[twiix]

I was nervous about getting LOR's back too, then 2 of my UG professors submitted theirs within 5 minutes of each other. I was like wtf did you guys meet in the computer lab and write them together?

Feels good to have that sigh of relief when they show up though.

Lol at writing them together. "Did you say Twiix was the best student you've ever had? Ugh, me too. Ok, I'll come up with another line."

It makes me pretty anxious waiting on them to write letters. I think I'm even more anxious about not knowing what they're saying about me.

I had one of the two academic writers send me a PDF version of the letter he submitted. His letter was probably in the B+/A- range, which was pretty good given I graduated with less than stellar grades. The other letter was my dean at the time, and I have literally no idea what he said, and it makes me nervous lol. We have a great relationship, but there's something about not knowing that is just terrifying. More so since I come from a UG field that isn't frequently going to law school, so I tend to think they didn't follow the criteria very well. Bah.

[Ntp73821]

I had one of the two academic writers send me a PDF version of the letter he submitted. His letter was probably in the B+/A- range, which was pretty good given I graduated with less than stellar grades. The other letter was my dean at the time, and I have literally no idea what he said, and it makes me nervous lol. We have a great relationship, but there's something about not knowing that is just terrifying. More so since I come from a UG field that isn't frequently going to law school, so I tend to think they didn't follow the criteria very well. Bah.

That's awesome!! I'm sure your dean had great things to say about you. I had one of my professors tell me that when she writes her letter she would "send me a copy for my records." The other one just submitted her LOR less than 20 minutes after I emailed her a reminder... I should be concerned, right? I mean, I doubt she already had it written. Now I feel super concerned.

[InterLaw]

Does anyone have thoughts on UCI now that Dean Chemerinsky is leaving? On paper it looks like it could be great value for a west-coaster who isn't willing to pay sticker at UCLA or Berkeley. But I don't know how much of a dive in clerkship placement / job outcomes is likely without Chem.

Personally, I believe that it could be a good option if you aim for small gov't / local clerkship / PI and you get full tuition. However, it has absolutely no impact outside California and little impact outside LA area, which is still noticeably behind UCLA and USC... They need some years to consolidate their position. I mean, they did great recently but I think that compared to other tied schools (GWU for DC area or UofW in Seattle) they are fairly behind. In 5-7 years... Who knows!

Where is the Dean directed?

Dean Chemerinsky left after his 10 year contract to go to Berkeley.

I disagree that UCI is behind UW - UCI has marginally better LTFT employment and equal biglaw, but far superior federal clerkship numbers. I think the question is how quickly it will regress since the dean is leaving. I'm also curious if the biglaw numbers will go up as clerkships go down--presumably students with the resume for a clerkship would be competitive for a biglaw offer. UCI clearly lags behind USC/UCLA in biglaw, but it is far more generous with scholarships, and it has decent employment numbers, so I suspect it could be a good value for someone who is not biglaw-or-bust.

I just checked the ABA disclosures for employment and I apologize, I had a different impression from UCI... They are definitely not below UW. However, I agree with your interpretation and I think that it is legitimate to think that stellar Fed Clerk numbers were linked to Dean Chemerinsky's influence. Will they go down? Probably, at least a bit. However, raising stats and BigLaw % could be feasible and in that case well... They could hold/increase their attractivity! Choosing wisely a new Dean will be essential at this point...

[rowdy]

Does anyone have thoughts on UCI now that Dean Chemerinsky is leaving? On paper it looks like it could be great value for a west-coaster who isn't willing to pay sticker at UCLA or Berkeley. But I don't know how much of a dive in clerkship placement / job outcomes is likely without Chem.

Personally, I believe that it could be a good option if you aim for small gov't / local clerkship / PI and you get full tuition. However, it has absolutely no impact outside California and little impact outside LA area, which is still noticeably behind UCLA and USC... They need some years to consolidate their position. I mean, they did great recently but I think that compared to other tied schools (GWU for DC area or UofW in Seattle) they are fairly behind. In 5-7 years... Who knows!

Where is the Dean directed?

Dean Chemerinsky left after his 10 year contract to go to Berkeley.

I disagree that UCI is behind UW - UCI has marginally better LTFT employment and equal biglaw, but far superior federal clerkship numbers. I think the question is how quickly it will regress since the dean is leaving. I'm also curious if the biglaw numbers will go up as clerkships go down--presumably students with the resume for a clerkship would be competitive for a biglaw offer. UCI clearly lags behind USC/UCLA in biglaw, but it is far more generous with scholarships, and it has decent employment numbers, so I suspect it could be a good value for someone who is not biglaw-or-bust.

I just checked the ABA disclosures for employment and I apologize, I had a different impression from UCI... They are definitely not below UW. However, I agree with your interpretation and I think that it is legitimate to think that stellar Fed Clerk numbers were linked to Dean Chemerinsky's influence. Will they go down? Probably, at least a bit. However, raising stats and BigLaw % could be feasible and in that case well... They could hold/increase their attractivity! Choosing wisely a new Dean will be essential at this point...

Absolutely. That will determine whether UCI will rise to the level of a USC/UCLA or sink to Davis/Hastings.

[jel2184]

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[abujabal]

Re: LORs - average LORs won't help/hurt your rec right? I ask because one of mine will be a rec from my former boss, and while I think he'll have great things to say about my work experience, he's not exactly the best writer and wasn't a professor. I assume this won't be a negative based on what I've read, but would love some insight.

My other LOR will be academic, by contrast. Though I should ask her about it...

[sabraph]

Re: LORs - average LORs won't help/hurt your rec right? I ask because one of mine will be a rec from my former boss, and while I think he'll have great things to say about my work experience, he's not exactly the best writer and wasn't a professor. I assume this won't be a negative based on what I've read, but would love some insight.

My other LOR will be academic, by contrast. Though I should ask her about it...

I'm in a similar situation, one of my LORs will be academic (English prof) and it will be pretty average, the other will be written by my current boss and I wouldn't be surprised if she compared me to Jesus - it will be a really strong letter and she has graduate degrees and a background in English. I think because we are the kind of applicants who religiously check message boards we might be putting too much pressure on the LORs an average LOR is not a bad LOR so I'm trying not to let it stress me out. Now if you're applying to Harvard and you need super softs, maybe ignore me.

[Slippin' Jimmy]

With most apps opening tomorrow, wanted to remind everyone to use lawschoolnumbers to help out future applicants. If anyone wants to follow my cycle, my username there is the same as it is here.

[rowdy]

With most apps opening tomorrow, wanted to remind everyone to use lawschoolnumbers to help out future applicants. If anyone wants to follow my cycle, my username there is the same as it is here.

Especially use LSN if you have a rare set of numbers! I'm going to fill out my whole cycle after it's over.

[heyduchess]

With most apps opening tomorrow, wanted to remind everyone to use lawschoolnumbers to help out future applicants. If anyone wants to follow my cycle, my username there is the same as it is here.

Especially use LSN if you have a rare set of numbers! I'm going to fill out my whole cycle after it's over.

Yup. Y'all can find me on there with my name, too.

[principalagent]

Unsolicited Vandy waiver.

Also on LSN. Same username. Might go private ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sharris2017]

Unsolicited Vandy waiver.

Also on LSN. Same username. Might go private ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Vandy unsolicited.

[Ntp73821]

Also got Vandy unsolicited. My name on LSN is nicolet if anyone wants to be cycle watching pals

[KENYADIGG1T]

Unsolicited Vandy here too

[Pewpew]

You guys. Tomorrow is finally 9/1. The day to submit!!!

[NavyNuke]

Got the vandy email. I was waiting for them to respond to a service based request but this works too!