Notre Dame c/o 2019 Applicants Forum

[ndirish2010]

so what other grad-oriented, affordable living area besides Fischer is worth looking into? and how about the very cheapest place?

Clover Village, University Edge, Overlook, Irish Crossing, Oak Hill to name a few. http://offcampus.nd.edu/moving-off-camp ... g-options/

There are not many grad students at Clover Village, in my experience.

The Pointe is another place where law and MBA students are known to live.

[ND2018]

so what other grad-oriented, affordable living area besides Fischer is worth looking into? and how about the very cheapest place?

Clover Village, University Edge, Overlook, Irish Crossing, Oak Hill to name a few. http://offcampus.nd.edu/moving-off-camp ... g-options/

There are not many grad students at Clover Village, in my experience.

The Pointe is another place where law and MBA students are known to live.

I'm a IL and there are a decent amount living there now; I mean anywhere you go your gunna get non-grads except fischer.

[ndirish2010]

so what other grad-oriented, affordable living area besides Fischer is worth looking into? and how about the very cheapest place?

Clover Village, University Edge, Overlook, Irish Crossing, Oak Hill to name a few. http://offcampus.nd.edu/moving-off-camp ... g-options/

There are not many grad students at Clover Village, in my experience.

The Pointe is another place where law and MBA students are known to live.

I'm a IL and there are a decent amount living there now; I mean anywhere you go your gunna get non-grads except fischer.

Ha I guess it's gotten better. I lived there for 5 years and for the two law school years I lived there I think I was the only one.

[LuxTheMuppet]

So what are the general thoughts on Fischer? I hate the idea of living on campus, but it does seem awfully reasonable/convenient

[mu13ski]

So what are the general thoughts on Fischer? I hate the idea of living on campus, but it does seem awfully reasonable/convenient

Fischer is nice. It isn't like living in a dorm as an upperclassman so there really isn't any stigma against it. Honestly it is the closest and cheapest place. Two bedroom, pretty spacious family room, and a full kitchen. All utilities included. Lived there 3 years. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else during law school.

[TirantMartorell]

Housing is really all about preference. I personally don't like on-campus Grad Housing. Sure, it's convenient because you don't have to go apartment shopping and all utilities are included, plus you don't have to pay summer rent. But at $630/month per person Fischer really isn't that cheap compared to what you could get off-campus if willing and able to drive. Fischer apts are 2 bedroom-1 bath units with small kitchens and bedrooms. No washer and dryer in the units (you have to go to the community center to do laundry - yes outside!) and the kitchens do not have dishwashers. ND is actually charging $1260/month for each of these units and that's frankly overpriced. You can easily get a relatively updated 1/1 with in-unit washer/dryer and dishwasher for $600-750/month in Mishawaka and a 2-bedroom apt for less than $1000. Many of these places include heat in the rent and you're really only paying for electric - which will be minimal ($25/month) most of the year.

[DJ2k15]

So what are the general thoughts on Fischer? I hate the idea of living on campus, but it does seem awfully reasonable/convenient

Fischer is nice. It isn't like living in a dorm as an upperclassman so there really isn't any stigma against it. Honestly it is the closest and cheapest place. Two bedroom, pretty spacious family room, and a full kitchen. All utilities included. Lived there 3 years. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else during law school.

I lived in Fischer and really enjoyed it. Its cheap, and its hard to get any closer. I think one question that you have to ask yourself is whether you enjoy studying at home or at the library. In my experience, those who enjoy studying at home are generally are more likely to be dissatisfied with Fischer, or move out after their first year. Those who study at the library usually stay at Fischer for all 3 years. Of course, this is not true across the board, just might be something to think about

[Smallville]

So what are the general thoughts on Fischer? I hate the idea of living on campus, but it does seem awfully reasonable/convenient

Fischer is nice. It isn't like living in a dorm as an upperclassman so there really isn't any stigma against it. Honestly it is the closest and cheapest place. Two bedroom, pretty spacious family room, and a full kitchen. All utilities included. Lived there 3 years. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else during law school.

I lived in Fischer and really enjoyed it. Its cheap, and its hard to get any closer. I think one question that you have to ask yourself is whether you enjoy studying at home or at the library. In my experience, those who enjoy studying at home are generally are more likely to be dissatisfied with Fischer, or move out after their first year. Those who study at the library usually stay at Fischer for all 3 years. Of course, this is not true across the board, just might be something to think about

you know why that is? Is it a bit noisy there at times? Or just amount of space you have available isnt satisfactory for most people to study in

[mu13ski]

So what are the general thoughts on Fischer? I hate the idea of living on campus, but it does seem awfully reasonable/convenient

Fischer is nice. It isn't like living in a dorm as an upperclassman so there really isn't any stigma against it. Honestly it is the closest and cheapest place. Two bedroom, pretty spacious family room, and a full kitchen. All utilities included. Lived there 3 years. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else during law school.

I lived in Fischer and really enjoyed it. Its cheap, and its hard to get any closer. I think one question that you have to ask yourself is whether you enjoy studying at home or at the library. In my experience, those who enjoy studying at home are generally are more likely to be dissatisfied with Fischer, or move out after their first year. Those who study at the library usually stay at Fischer for all 3 years. Of course, this is not true across the board, just might be something to think about

you know why that is? Is it a bit noisy there at times? Or just amount of space you have available isnt satisfactory for most people to study in

Definitely an over generalization. No, Fischer isn't noisy at all. Two community centers you can study in or just study in your own place. Plenty of space at your place at Fischer and the library. All personal preference. My roommate almost exclusively studied at Fischer and I was always in the library. I prioritized saving money and time in law school so I went with Fischer. Didn't want to have to drive to school everyday (dealing with shitty South Bend roads in the Winter) and pay for parking.

[DJ2k15]

So what are the general thoughts on Fischer? I hate the idea of living on campus, but it does seem awfully reasonable/convenient

Fischer is nice. It isn't like living in a dorm as an upperclassman so there really isn't any stigma against it. Honestly it is the closest and cheapest place. Two bedroom, pretty spacious family room, and a full kitchen. All utilities included. Lived there 3 years. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else during law school.

I lived in Fischer and really enjoyed it. Its cheap, and its hard to get any closer. I think one question that you have to ask yourself is whether you enjoy studying at home or at the library. In my experience, those who enjoy studying at home are generally are more likely to be dissatisfied with Fischer, or move out after their first year. Those who study at the library usually stay at Fischer for all 3 years. Of course, this is not true across the board, just might be something to think about

you know why that is? Is it a bit noisy there at times? Or just amount of space you have available isnt satisfactory for most people to study in

Definitely an over generalization. No, Fischer isn't noisy at all. Two community centers you can study in or just study in your own place. Plenty of space at your place at Fischer and the library. All personal preference. My roommate almost exclusively studied at Fischer and I was always in the library. I prioritized saving money and time in law school so I went with Fischer. Didn't want to have to drive to school everyday (dealing with shitty South Bend roads in the Winter) and pay for parking.

Apologies for the cryptic post. I just think that some people who spent the majority of their time in their apartment preferred to be living in a "nicer" apartment with dishwasher/laundry/more space. Noise is a non factor. My roommate studied at home exclusively, so he cared more about the amenities in the apartment that he was living in. I studied at the law school, so all I cared about was money and convenience. It may be an over generalization, but it still might be something to think about.

[Smallville]

Apologies for the cryptic post. I just think that some people who spent the majority of their time in their apartment preferred to be living in a "nicer" apartment with dishwasher/laundry/more space. Noise is a non factor. My roommate studied at home exclusively, so he cared more about the amenities in the apartment that he was living in. I studied at the law school, so all I cared about was money and convenience. It may be an over generalization, but it still might be something to think about.

got ya, totally makes sense

[TirantMartorell]

So what are the general thoughts on Fischer? I hate the idea of living on campus, but it does seem awfully reasonable/convenient

Fischer is nice. It isn't like living in a dorm as an upperclassman so there really isn't any stigma against it. Honestly it is the closest and cheapest place. Two bedroom, pretty spacious family room, and a full kitchen. All utilities included. Lived there 3 years. Wouldn't want to live anywhere else during law school.

I lived in Fischer and really enjoyed it. Its cheap, and its hard to get any closer. I think one question that you have to ask yourself is whether you enjoy studying at home or at the library. In my experience, those who enjoy studying at home are generally are more likely to be dissatisfied with Fischer, or move out after their first year. Those who study at the library usually stay at Fischer for all 3 years. Of course, this is not true across the board, just might be something to think about

you know why that is? Is it a bit noisy there at times? Or just amount of space you have available isnt satisfactory for most people to study in

Definitely an over generalization. No, Fischer isn't noisy at all. Two community centers you can study in or just study in your own place. Plenty of space at your place at Fischer and the library. All personal preference. My roommate almost exclusively studied at Fischer and I was always in the library. I prioritized saving money and time in law school so I went with Fischer. Didn't want to have to drive to school everyday (dealing with shitty South Bend roads in the Winter) and pay for parking.

Apologies for the cryptic post. I just think that some people who spent the majority of their time in their apartment preferred to be living in a "nicer" apartment with dishwasher/laundry/more space. Noise is a non factor. My roommate studied at home exclusively, so he cared more about the amenities in the apartment that he was living in. I studied at the law school, so all I cared about was money and convenience. It may be an over generalization, but it still might be something to think about.

I don't think it's about people who spend more time in the apartment. Everyone I know in Fischer complains about having to walk outside in sub-freezing temperatures to do their laundry. Having a unit in your apt is such a time saver and convenience. Fischer does not always equal less money and more convenience. I knew people my 1L year who lived in Fischer and would actually drive to C or B lot (whatever it's called) just to walk less in the snow or very cold temperatures. Fischer is on the edge of campus - you'd be closer to class living in the Overlook. I also don't see how Fischer is cheaper. Get a roommate, split a 2/2 off-campus and you'll be paying less than the $630/month one pays in Fischer. Also, having to move your stuff out at the end of each school year and move your stuff back in is a big hassle and not convenient.

[Smallville]

I don't think it's about people who spend more time in the apartment. Everyone I know in Fischer complains about having to walk outside in sub-freezing temperatures to do their laundry. Having a unit in your apt is such a time saver and convenience. Fischer does not always equal less money and more convenience. I knew people my 1L year who lived in Fischer and would actually drive to C or B lot (whatever it's called) just to walk less in the snow or very cold temperatures. Fischer is on the edge of campus - you'd be closer to class living in the Overlook. I also don't see how Fischer is cheaper. Get a roommate, split a 2/2 off-campus and you'll be paying less than the $630/month one pays in Fischer. Also, having to move your stuff out at the end of each school year and move your stuff back in is a big hassle and not convenient.

as for cheaper you aren't paying for the summer when you're not there, so while it's inconvenient to move your stuff out and back you aren't paying for the time between finals and start of classes again, so while you could save a little in rent monthly, you could potentially be saving $1000+ by not paying over the summer

[TirantMartorell]

I don't think it's about people who spend more time in the apartment. Everyone I know in Fischer complains about having to walk outside in sub-freezing temperatures to do their laundry. Having a unit in your apt is such a time saver and convenience. Fischer does not always equal less money and more convenience. I knew people my 1L year who lived in Fischer and would actually drive to C or B lot (whatever it's called) just to walk less in the snow or very cold temperatures. Fischer is on the edge of campus - you'd be closer to class living in the Overlook. I also don't see how Fischer is cheaper. Get a roommate, split a 2/2 off-campus and you'll be paying less than the $630/month one pays in Fischer. Also, having to move your stuff out at the end of each school year and move your stuff back in is a big hassle and not convenient.

as for cheaper you aren't paying for the summer when you're not there, so while it's inconvenient to move your stuff out and back you aren't paying for the time between finals and start of classes again, so while you could save a little in rent monthly, you could potentially be saving $1000+ by not paying over the summer

I think you underestimate how much cheaper per month living off-campus in Mishawaka can be. Take Indian Lakes Apts - a popular complex among law students near the mall. A 2/1 in that complex is $825/month, including heat. Assuming $40/month in electric that's $865 per month or $432.50 per person per month. Over a 12 month period, you end up paying $5,190.

In Fischer, you pay $630/month per person for 9 months, which comes out to $5,670. Therefore, even having to pay 12 months you end up paying less if you share a 2/1 off-campus in Mishawaka than you would sharing a 2/1 in Fischer.

[Smallville]

I don't think it's about people who spend more time in the apartment. Everyone I know in Fischer complains about having to walk outside in sub-freezing temperatures to do their laundry. Having a unit in your apt is such a time saver and convenience. Fischer does not always equal less money and more convenience. I knew people my 1L year who lived in Fischer and would actually drive to C or B lot (whatever it's called) just to walk less in the snow or very cold temperatures. Fischer is on the edge of campus - you'd be closer to class living in the Overlook. I also don't see how Fischer is cheaper. Get a roommate, split a 2/2 off-campus and you'll be paying less than the $630/month one pays in Fischer. Also, having to move your stuff out at the end of each school year and move your stuff back in is a big hassle and not convenient.

as for cheaper you aren't paying for the summer when you're not there, so while it's inconvenient to move your stuff out and back you aren't paying for the time between finals and start of classes again, so while you could save a little in rent monthly, you could potentially be saving $1000+ by not paying over the summer

I think you underestimate how much cheaper per month living off-campus in Mishawaka can be. Take Indian Lakes Apts - a popular complex among law students near the mall. A 2/1 in that complex is $825/month, including heat. Assuming $40/month in electric that's $865 per month or $432.50 per person per month. Over a 12 month period, you end up paying $5,190.

In Fischer, you pay $630/month per person for 9 months, which comes out to $5,670. Therefore, even having to pay 12 months you end up paying less if you share a 2/1 off-campus in Mishawaka than you would sharing a 2/1 in Fischer.

It's not that Im underestimating it, it's more me ignoring it lol for me personally anything outside of walking distance is out. While it may save some money I just don't want to deal with having to drive everyday, even if it isn't all that far. Kinda silly outlook I suppose but current mindset as of now

[TirantMartorell]

I don't think it's about people who spend more time in the apartment. Everyone I know in Fischer complains about having to walk outside in sub-freezing temperatures to do their laundry. Having a unit in your apt is such a time saver and convenience. Fischer does not always equal less money and more convenience. I knew people my 1L year who lived in Fischer and would actually drive to C or B lot (whatever it's called) just to walk less in the snow or very cold temperatures. Fischer is on the edge of campus - you'd be closer to class living in the Overlook. I also don't see how Fischer is cheaper. Get a roommate, split a 2/2 off-campus and you'll be paying less than the $630/month one pays in Fischer. Also, having to move your stuff out at the end of each school year and move your stuff back in is a big hassle and not convenient.

as for cheaper you aren't paying for the summer when you're not there, so while it's inconvenient to move your stuff out and back you aren't paying for the time between finals and start of classes again, so while you could save a little in rent monthly, you could potentially be saving $1000+ by not paying over the summer

I think you underestimate how much cheaper per month living off-campus in Mishawaka can be. Take Indian Lakes Apts - a popular complex among law students near the mall. A 2/1 in that complex is $825/month, including heat. Assuming $40/month in electric that's $865 per month or $432.50 per person per month. Over a 12 month period, you end up paying $5,190.

In Fischer, you pay $630/month per person for 9 months, which comes out to $5,670. Therefore, even having to pay 12 months you end up paying less if you share a 2/1 off-campus in Mishawaka than you would sharing a 2/1 in Fischer.

It's not that Im underestimating it, it's more me ignoring it lol for me personally anything outside of walking distance is out. While it may save some money I just don't want to deal with having to drive everyday, even if it isn't all that far. Kinda silly outlook I suppose but current mindset as of now

Yeah, my analysis works for people who are ABLE AND WILLING to drive. If you don't want to drive to campus, your options are essentially limited to on-campus housing, the Foundry, the Overlook, and some of the other apt complexes behind/near the overlook. A lot of people don't wanna go through the hassle of looking for a roommate and an apartment - the University does all that for you if you live at Fischer. I personally just didn't like Fischer, I didn't want a roommate, and had no problem driving each day.

[Effingham]

I mean, there's also the fact that a lot of other law students are going to be living in Fischer, which makes setting up rides to and from bar review and other festivities a hell of a lot easier than getting to eddy st. or Mulligans from Mishawaka. I didn't live in Fischer, but the people I knew who did seemed to like it a lot.

[mu13ski]

Who lives in Fischer and still drives to school? The Cali kids? Winters are bad, but really no worse than many other places in the Midwest.

[Smallville]

Who lives in Fischer and still drives to school? The Cali kids? Winters are bad, but really no worse than many other places in the Midwest.

probably lol I went to school in upstate NY so I'm not all that worried about the cold... rainy days will suck but oh well. Im currently torn between going with Fischer and Clover Ridge/village... One of the rooms would basically come out to the same/very similar $ as Fischer, but has a little bit bigger rooms + washer/dryer but you deal with the summer months too so paying a tad more for a little more room & convenience lol

[Effingham]

Who lives in Fischer and still drives to school? The Cali kids? Winters are bad, but really no worse than many other places in the Midwest.

probably lol I went to school in upstate NY so I'm not all that worried about the cold... rainy days will suck but oh well. Im currently torn between going with Fischer and Clover Ridge/village... One of the rooms would basically come out to the same/very similar $ as Fischer, but has a little bit bigger rooms + washer/dryer but you deal with the summer months too so paying a tad more for a little more room & convenience lol

I've heard about a lot of bad experiences with Clover Ridge/Village management. I'm sure I'll get some other opinions, but I would personally avoid them.

[Smallville]

Who lives in Fischer and still drives to school? The Cali kids? Winters are bad, but really no worse than many other places in the Midwest.

probably lol I went to school in upstate NY so I'm not all that worried about the cold... rainy days will suck but oh well. Im currently torn between going with Fischer and Clover Ridge/village... One of the rooms would basically come out to the same/very similar $ as Fischer, but has a little bit bigger rooms + washer/dryer but you deal with the summer months too so paying a tad more for a little more room & convenience lol

I've heard about a lot of bad experiences with Clover Ridge/Village management. I'm sure I'll get some other opinions, but I would personally avoid them.

hmm anything in particular? like stuff breaking and them being a pain to deal with to get it fixed?

[Effingham]

Who lives in Fischer and still drives to school? The Cali kids? Winters are bad, but really no worse than many other places in the Midwest.

probably lol I went to school in upstate NY so I'm not all that worried about the cold... rainy days will suck but oh well. Im currently torn between going with Fischer and Clover Ridge/village... One of the rooms would basically come out to the same/very similar $ as Fischer, but has a little bit bigger rooms + washer/dryer but you deal with the summer months too so paying a tad more for a little more room & convenience lol

I've heard about a lot of bad experiences with Clover Ridge/Village management. I'm sure I'll get some other opinions, but I would personally avoid them.

hmm anything in particular? like stuff breaking and them being a pain to deal with to get it fixed?

I don't want to be very specific, but literally every person I know who has lived there has some story about being nickle and dimed, or attempted to be, in some way or another. Here's a fact that might give you an idea, ~$300 of the deposit for every lease is non-refundable (for each person living there) - this is illegal in most states.

It has some nice advantages like the location and the washer/dryer. It's just a good idea to build in an amount above whatever the rent is for what you'll actually end up paying.

[bluefish91]

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[sjp200]

I was looking at Irish Row/flats. I saw village was basically where they trap people into getting a cheap room that may as well be if you're REALLY looking for the minimum.

Anyone have thoughts on this? The website says they also offer 10 month leases so this looks perfect for someone like me (and maybe smallville if he's still interested) coming from way over yonder on the east coast. It being furnished and all. Plus Fischer having only twin extra long beds is kind of annoying.

http://irishrowapartments.com/ancillary/faqs

http://ndoffcampus.com/student-housing/ ... ments.html

[bluefish91]

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