UCLA School of Law c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle) Forum

[ticklemesilly]

uh, 170, 3.6X applied early Jan and just waitlisted.... =(

unless something's wrong with your app, I would guess YP. just send in a LOCI if you really want UCLA

I don't think it's YP because about 88% of people with my stats are accepted, according to law school numbers. So if it's YP, it's very selective YP.

[Dipper]

uh, 170, 3.6X applied early Jan and just waitlisted.... =(

unless something's wrong with your app, I would guess YP. just send in a LOCI if you really want UCLA

I don't think it's YP because about 88% of people with my stats are accepted, according to law school numbers. So if it's YP, it's very selective YP.

Bummer, sorry to hear that. I'll trade you my 90K at UCLA for your 75 at Mich. That's how it works, right?

[ticklemesilly]

uh, 170, 3.6X applied early Jan and just waitlisted.... =(

unless something's wrong with your app, I would guess YP. just send in a LOCI if you really want UCLA

I don't think it's YP because about 88% of people with my stats are accepted, according to law school numbers. So if it's YP, it's very selective YP.

Bummer, sorry to hear that. I'll trade you my 90K at UCLA for your 75 at Mich. That's how it works, right?

Haha well while I'm buried in 3 feet of snow you'll be working on that California tan.

[fishbulb]

So.. how long should one wait before sending a LOCI after WL?

[mecarey]

So.. how long should one wait before sending a LOCI after WL?

Many people around here say to wait until around the deposit deadline so your LOCI is "fresh" in the admissions office when they start digging through the waitlist after the deadline passes and they don't get enough deposits.

While I do see some logic in that, I don't think your letter will be "fresh" no matter when you send it (unless it's truly phenomenal). They get a lot of these and it just gets added to your file after a precursory glance from their admin. I sent mine in only a day or two after being waitlisted because they really are my top choice. All else being equal, if I were UCLA I'd admit the person who enthusiastically submitted their LOCI ASAP over of someone who sat on it for a month before letting me know they are still interested . . .

But that's just me. In all honesty, I doubt it matters.

[mecarey]

They get a lot of these and it just gets added to your file after a precursory glance from their admin.

P.s. I wasn't kidding when I said that. From when I sent mine in:

We greatly appreciate your continued interest in UCLA School of Law. I’ve added your letter to your file for the Admissions Committee to review. Thank you for letting us know.

[commandercup]

uh, 170, 3.6X applied early Jan and just waitlisted.... =(

unless something's wrong with your app, I would guess YP. just send in a LOCI if you really want UCLA

I don't think it's YP because about 88% of people with my stats are accepted, according to law school numbers. So if it's YP, it's very selective YP.

I just got waitlisted as well. I also applied in early Jan. 3.5X, 171.

[ek5dn]

uh, 170, 3.6X applied early Jan and just waitlisted.... =(

unless something's wrong with your app, I would guess YP. just send in a LOCI if you really want UCLA

I don't think it's YP because about 88% of people with my stats are accepted, according to law school numbers. So if it's YP, it's very selective YP.

( I'm sorry about that. I'm sure with your #s though, you'll be fine good luck!

[ticklemesilly]

uh, 170, 3.6X applied early Jan and just waitlisted.... =(

unless something's wrong with your app, I would guess YP. just send in a LOCI if you really want UCLA

I don't think it's YP because about 88% of people with my stats are accepted, according to law school numbers. So if it's YP, it's very selective YP.

( I'm sorry about that. I'm sure with your #s though, you'll be fine good luck!

Thanks!

[mecarey]

Fun fact time! (all data sourced from MyLSN.info)

UCLA's 2014 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 112
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 3.3 / 3.78 / 3.98
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 156 / 161.5 / 166

UCLA's 2013 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 113
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 2.49 / 3.29 / 3.82
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 160 / 166.75 / 172

But wait, we can go DEEPER!
UCLA's Admission Index for this year was:
0.038*LSAT + .338*GPA(cum) - 4.342

2014 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.89 / 3.07 / 3.16
2013 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.96 / 3.11 / 3.26

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Note: with only 8 accepted out of over 100, this data is completely statistically insignificant. That statement still won't help keep most of you from over analyzing.

[mecarey]

Fun fact time! (all data sourced from MyLSN.info)

UCLA's 2014 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 112
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 3.3 / 3.78 / 3.98
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 156 / 161.5 / 166

UCLA's 2013 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 113
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 2.49 / 3.29 / 3.82
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 160 / 166.75 / 172

But wait, we can go DEEPER!
UCLA's Admission Index for this year was:
0.038*LSAT + .338*GPA(cum) - 4.342

2014 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.89 / 3.07 / 3.16
2013 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.96 / 3.11 / 3.26

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Note: with only 8 accepted out of over 100, this data is completely statistically insignificant. That statement still won't help keep most of you from over analyzing.

Of course, we can go even DEEPER!!

When you subtract out the number of people who withdrew from the waitlist (data solely taken from LawSchoolNumbers.com) our percentage accepted from the waitlist changes a bit for those who stuck it out to the bitter end:

Accepted from 2014 waitlist: 8.8%
Accepted from 2013 waitlist: 10.4%


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Note: all data is self reported and, as such, is absolutely 100% completely statistically bullshit. That statement still won't help keep most of you from over analyzing.

[NoBladesNoBows]

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[mecarey]

I'm guessing the LSAT multiplier is supposed to be 0.038?

My mistake! You are correct - typo fixed in both posts above.

[loconner4]

First time posting, probably doing it wrong, sorry in advance.

I haven't heard from UCLA on merit scholarship $ yet, is it too early to contact? If not, any examples of how it was done/what worked? Vaguely still waiting to hear from Stanford which is a suuuuuuper long shot so UCLA is my top choice. I've gotten a 90k offer from USC and 150k to UC Irvine. Are either of those worth mentioning as bargaining chips? Anyone know if/what they're likely to give me (LSAT - 168, GPA < 25%)?

Any help is appreciated!

[lane]

I went complete in early January and was asked to interview today. I'm guessing this is a good thing considering all the rejections and waitlists that have gone out to early January apps recently. Anybody know if this is a good sign?

[RubyRod]

First time posting, probably doing it wrong, sorry in advance.

I haven't heard from UCLA on merit scholarship $ yet, is it too early to contact? If not, any examples of how it was done/what worked? Vaguely still waiting to hear from Stanford which is a suuuuuuper long shot so UCLA is my top choice. I've gotten a 90k offer from USC and 150k to UC Irvine. Are either of those worth mentioning as bargaining chips? Anyone know if/what they're likely to give me (LSAT - 168, GPA < 25%)?

Any help is appreciated!

USC definitely is worth mentioning as they are a peer for UCLA BUT I would leverage your UCI against USC first before showing USC's offer to UCLA. Since the office has been very open about scholarships, and asking "where you stand in the process." Just shoot a feeler email over to Schwartz to say "I love UCLA, blah blah. I wanted to check in about where I stand in the merit award process?"

EDIT: You want to get this feeler email out quickly so you can get a decision. Seems like "end of next week" is the standard turn around time.

There is actually a USC v UCLA negotiations thread where I decided to wait to send competing offers until UCLA sends the initial and another student just sent them outright. So it's up to you whether or not you wish to share.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=244880

[Drowninmyowntears]

Fun fact time! (all data sourced from MyLSN.info)

UCLA's 2014 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 112
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 3.3 / 3.78 / 3.98
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 156 / 161.5 / 166

UCLA's 2013 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 113
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 2.49 / 3.29 / 3.82
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 160 / 166.75 / 172

But wait, we can go DEEPER!
UCLA's Admission Index for this year was:
0.038*LSAT + .338*GPA(cum) - 4.342

2014 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.89 / 3.07 / 3.16
2013 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.96 / 3.11 / 3.26

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Note: with only 8 accepted out of over 100, this data is completely statistically insignificant. That statement still won't help keep most of you from over analyzing.

Wait, can we talk about this a little more? How do you know the admissions index and what exactly does that mean anyway? GPA is weighted more than LSAT? (Please help out a seriously math-challenged person).

Also, are you just pulling this data from what people report on LSN? I feel like they accept a lot more than 8 students from the waitlist per year.... I wish we had real, full stats somewhere!!!

[Dipper]

I feel like they accept a lot more than 8 students from the waitlist per year.... I wish we had real, full stats somewhere!!!

I read (I think in a Spivey post?) that 1/3 of the class is taken from the WL, so don't worry.

Also, for some reason California schools care more about GPA than LSAT.

[tuxedocat]

Fun fact time! (all data sourced from MyLSN.info)

UCLA's 2014 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 112
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 3.3 / 3.78 / 3.98
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 156 / 161.5 / 166

UCLA's 2013 Cycle:
Waitlisted(W): 113
Accepted from waitlist(A): 8 (7.1%)
Min/Avg/High GPA of W->A: 2.49 / 3.29 / 3.82
Min/Avg/High LSAT of W->A: 160 / 166.75 / 172

But wait, we can go DEEPER!
UCLA's Admission Index for this year was:
0.038*LSAT + .338*GPA(cum) - 4.342

2014 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.89 / 3.07 / 3.16
2013 W->A Index Min/Avg/High: 2.96 / 3.11 / 3.26

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Note: with only 8 accepted out of over 100, this data is completely statistically insignificant. That statement still won't help keep most of you from over analyzing.

Wait, can we talk about this a little more? How do you know the admissions index and what exactly does that mean anyway? GPA is weighted more than LSAT? (Please help out a seriously math-challenged person).

Also, are you just pulling this data from what people report on LSN? I feel like they accept a lot more than 8 students from the waitlist per year.... I wish we had real, full stats somewhere!!!

I think this is LSN-based, but LSAC publishes an official admission index list: https://os.lsac.org/Release/Share/Displ ... S&id=INDEX
I assume that's the same formula that powers LSAC's LSAT/GPA search.

[mecarey]

Wait, can we talk about this a little more? How do you know the admissions index and what exactly does that mean anyway? GPA is weighted more than LSAT? (Please help out a seriously math-challenged person).

Also, are you just pulling this data from what people report on LSN? I feel like they accept a lot more than 8 students from the waitlist per year.... I wish we had real, full stats somewhere!!!

Correct on the above poster - the admissions index for every school that uses one is buried in that report.

As far as the GPA being worth more than the LSAC, per their index 1 point on the LSAT is equivalent to .112 points on the GPA. Of course, this is a holistic process so that's to be taken with a large grain of salt.

[nachase]

Dear UCLA,

Please accept naming rights to my first born child in exchange for admittance.

XOXO

-Nick

[gxsmile]

Dear UCLA,

Please accept naming rights to my first born child in exchange for admittance.

XOXO

-Nick

+1

[ub3r]

first kid named Yoosie, second kid named Ellay

[tuxedocat]

first kid named Yoosie, second kid named Ellay

180. Poor kid's going to get auto-rejected from Berkeley.

[nachase]

first kid named Yoosie, second kid named Ellay

180. Poor kid's going to get auto-rejected from Berkeley.

Good. I don't want my kids hanging out with those no good, Birkenstock-wearing rabble rousers anyway.