you can find me at www.top-law-schools.com! Forum

[frances315]

Just to clarify, here are my stats...

URM: Female Mexican-American
Undergrad: 3.85 GPA, B.S. in Biology (LSDAS 3.81), was in several honor societies, Freshman Bio teaching asst, undergrad research in spider genetics
Grad: 4.0 GPA, M.S. Criminal Justice (in progress), Criminal Justice Honor Society

Unique work experience. I included the Why Duke in my personal statement.

Priority reserve on 11-9

[LSATneurotic]

Vehemently disagree-- this is not YP. lc39 is a 3.7 with a much higher LSAT and she got into Duke (MA URM as well).

I'd guess it was your essays.

I don't think you understand YP

^maybe.

My understanding of yield protect is similar to what cc78 just outlined. Namely, if you are above certain numbers then you get WLed because they think you'll choose a higher ranked school and thus wish to protect their yield.

I'm sure Duke has WLed other applicants with numbers similar to frances. I think people are too quick to shout YP rather than consider the fact that Duke is a relatively selective school, so they can probably afford to be a little choosy, even among URM applicants with the requisite numbers.

Ultimately, without reading the application, who can say definitively why frances got WLed?

[R. Jeeves]

Ultimately, without reading the application, who can say definitively why frances got WLed?

Vehemently disagree-- this is not YP.

My understanding of yield protect is similar to what cc78 just outlined. Namely, if you are above certain numbers then you get WLed because they think you'll choose a higher ranked school and thus wish to protect their yield.

I'm sure Duke has WLed other applicants with numbers similar to frances. I think people are too quick to shout YP rather than consider the fact that Duke is a relatively selective school, so they can probably afford to be a little choosy, even among URM applicants with the requisite numbers.

point is - the fact that lc39 got in with higher numbers doesn't disprove the YP theory. she may not have been YPed, but the fact that lc39 got in does not make it obvious that YP was not the case.

Something to consider is that a lot of schools are selective because they YP. Selectivity (if measured by a low acceptance rate) is the point of YP. Duke seems to have a history of doing this based on previous data.

[LSATneurotic]

Just to clarify: I thought the point of Yield protection is to control the number of admitted students who ultimately attend(Yield)? IIRC selectivity(% of applicants admitted) does not factor into the US news ranking methodology but yield does.

And while lc39's admit does not make it obvious, it is certainly an indication, because she is much more likely to get into/attend higher ranked schools than frances (based on numbers alone). Granted, I am arguing via anecdote.

Enough of this debate! Sorry you got WLed frances, but I'm sure you will do just fine this cycle.

[R. Jeeves]

Just to clarify: I thought the point of Yield protection is to control the number of admitted students who ultimately attend(Yield)? IIRC selectivity(% of applicants admitted) does not factor into the US news ranking methodology but yield does.

And while lc39's admit does not make it obvious, it is certainly an indication, because she is much more likely to get into/attend higher ranked schools than frances (based on numbers alone). Granted, I am arguing via anecdote.

Enough of this debate! Sorry you got WLed frances, but I'm sure you will do just fine this cycle.

yeah debating beyond this point probably won't be productive.

However, let's clear up a common misconception (bolded).

It is selectivity, not yield, that factors into the USNWR rankings. We just talk about yield because it effectively amounts to the same thing and makes it easier to understand schools' motivations. Essentially, when a school YPs it thinks along these lines: The lower the % of applicants we accept, the more selective we are, which means a higher USNWR rank. So, if we accept a student who is not going to attend, then we have unnecessarily increased our admit % (thus making us less selective). Therefore we must, on the whole, admit students who are likely to attend our institution - that way, decreasing our selectivity for every student we admit will still produce a net benefit when these students enroll in our school and contribute to our medians.

USNWR methodology: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... s-rankings

[cc78]

yeah debating beyond this point probably won't be productive.

However, let's clear up a common misconception. It is selectivity, not yield, that factors into the USNWR rankings. We just talk about yield because it effectively amounts to the same thing and makes it easier to understand schools' motivations. Essentially, when a school YPs it thinks along these lines: The lower the % of applicants we accept, the more selective we are, which means a higher USNWR rank. So, if we accept a student who is not going to attend, then we have unnecessarily increased our admit % (thus making us less selective). Therefore we must, on the whole, admit students who are likely to attend our institution - that way, decreasing our selectivity for every student we admit still produces a net benefit when these students enroll in our school and contribute to our medians.

this. A quick look using 2012 data indicates that Duke has to admit about 1,000 students to get its class of 200. Makes total sense for them to try and get admits to reveal their preferences before they "waste" an admit decision on them. It's kind of striking to think that only 1 of 5 students who they want want them back.

[frances315]

Just to clarify: I thought the point of Yield protection is to control the number of admitted students who ultimately attend(Yield)? IIRC selectivity(% of applicants admitted) does not factor into the US news ranking methodology but yield does.

And while lc39's admit does not make it obvious, it is certainly an indication, because she is much more likely to get into/attend higher ranked schools than frances (based on numbers alone). Granted, I am arguing via anecdote.

Enough of this debate! Sorry you got WLed frances, but I'm sure you will do just fine this cycle.

Thank you!

[ChiLaw]

Has anyone notice a changed dated while under review for PT? I went complete on 11/3, under review on the 4th and saw today that i am still under review but the current status date is 11/10?

[fra]

Has anyone notice a changed dated while under review for PT? I went complete on 11/3, under review on the 4th and saw today that i am still under review but the current status date is 11/10?

I had this. Date changed at about day 7 of PT. I didn't get my decision any earlier though.

[curlietop86]

.

[LanceStephenson]

174 (167 on first lsat)
3.7

priority reserve

[LSATneurotic]

174 (167 on first lsat)
3.7

priority reserve

don't worry too much, lance: you've got a good five to ten years left playin' ball. I wouldn't sweat it.

[NextLevy]

Priority reserve today...

LSAT 171
GPA 3.65

[jhskim]

Priority Reserve today

170 3.3 PT non-URM

Not sure why i didn't just get dinged immediately after seeing the stats of some other people that were put on PR lol

[WeeBey]

174 (167 on first lsat)
3.7

priority reserve

don't worry too much, lance: you've got a good five to ten years left playin' ball. I wouldn't sweat it.

"straight out them coney island blocks n***a, crossover, step back, i might drop n***as"

"Ive been ballin hard since the 5th grade, watching A.I getting 40 with the french braids"

Then a couple years rapping too.

[louisv123]

Checking in....with a bit of a problem. I accidentally applied ED I instead of II (want my December LSAT score to be included.) Anyone have any advice? Should I just leave it and maybe they will hold anyway?

[NoLieAbility]

Checking in....with a bit of a problem. I accidentally applied ED I instead of II (want my December LSAT score to be included.) Anyone have any advice? Should I just leave it and maybe they will hold anyway?

Send an e-mail asking to be switched to RD. If not, withdraw.

[lmj009]

Checking in....with a bit of a problem. I accidentally applied ED I instead of II (want my December LSAT score to be included.) Anyone have any advice? Should I just leave it and maybe they will hold anyway?

I went ED with another school and they switched it to RD after I emailed them, it shouldn't be a problem as long as they haven't given you a decision yet. I would just get that to them ASAP.

[louisv123]

Checking in....with a bit of a problem. I accidentally applied ED I instead of II (want my December LSAT score to be included.) Anyone have any advice? Should I just leave it and maybe they will hold anyway?

I went ED with another school and they switched it to RD after I emailed them, it shouldn't be a problem as long as they haven't given you a decision yet. I would just get that to them ASAP.

They changed it. Thanks guys. I can breathe now. I just happened to have ED I checked because I started my app before my LSAT score came in -- which ended up being a real f-up of a score compared to what I was testing at. December will, hopefully, get me up there.

[curlietop86]

.

[fra]

did we ever establish if the day you went complete counts as day 1 or day 0? i went complete early morning 11/3 (last wednesday), so today is day 9... unless the 3rd doesn't count. thoughts?

Day you go complete is day 0, so you are on day 8. I went complete on 10/31 and yesterday was my day 10

[curlietop86]

.

[Scaliafan3421]

deleted

[cc78]

Has anyone been admitted non-PT? It looks like some non-PT acceptances went out in October last year.

I'm pretty sure I saw some non-PT admits from mid-October for this year. Sadly, that group didn't include me...non-PT, complete since 9/3.

[mydogjake]

Has anyone who was provisionally admitted via priority track received the scholarship info packet in the mail yet? My admissions email said that I would be receiving that paperwork in November and once it is filled out and submitted my admissions decision will be official. Haven't received anything about that yet (though I did receive an admissions packet in the mail) so I was just wondering if anyone else has!