Emory Class of 2017 (2013-2014 Cycle) Forum

[HRomanus]

So... what you're saying are desirable jobs are decreasing and school funded positions are increasing?

Are government or business jobs considered adverse? I'm honestly curious.

[Kanye West]

wow. the numbers really dropped. look at 2012s numbers

http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/Admi ... y-3_1_.pdf

Where are you seeing the large drop?

You have to consider that the number of graduates grew 10%. You have to look at percentage of graduating class rather than the raw numbers.

Emory-funded in 2012: 13.9%
Emory-funded in 2013: 23.2%
But the vast majority (91%) of 2013 positions are full-time, while only 46% of 2012 positions are.

Some other categories using the same analysis:

BigLaw in 2012: 22.5%
BigLaw in 2013: 20.1%

Business in 2012: 7.5%
Business in 2013: 13.7%

Government in 2012: 6.7%
Government in 2013: 14.3%

Clerkships in 2012: 9.7%
Clerkships in 2013: 8.2%

Can someone who is more familiar with the legal employment field provide some context for those statistics, particularly business and government? But in general it seems as if there hasn't been a precipitous drop in employment.

(Move along)

The 17 ('12) to 68 ('13) increase in school funded jobs is alarming. 24% in school-funded positions is similar to GW's recent #s.

[Attax]

To some they are, but generally I consider PI+Biglaw+Clerkships to be desirable jobs, as do I think most people.

[HRomanus]

wow. the numbers really dropped. look at 2012s numbers

http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/Admi ... y-3_1_.pdf

Where are you seeing the large drop?

You have to consider that the number of graduates grew 10%. You have to look at percentage of graduating class rather than the raw numbers.

Emory-funded in 2012: 13.9%
Emory-funded in 2013: 23.2%
But the vast majority (91%) of 2013 positions are full-time, while only 46% of 2012 positions are.

Some other categories using the same analysis:

BigLaw in 2012: 22.5%
BigLaw in 2013: 20.1%

Business in 2012: 7.5%
Business in 2013: 13.7%

Government in 2012: 6.7%
Government in 2013: 14.3%

Clerkships in 2012: 9.7%
Clerkships in 2013: 8.2%

Can someone who is more familiar with the legal employment field provide some context for those statistics, particularly business and government? But in general it seems as if there hasn't been a precipitous drop in employment.

Graduates rose by 10%, and School-Funded positions rose by 400%

The 17 ('12) to 68 ('13) increase in school funded jobs is alarming. 24% in school-funded positions is similar to GW's recent #s.

Total School-Funded positions were 37 in 2012. They rose to 68 in 2013 (but were overwhelmingly full-time). Again, that's a movement from 13.9% to 23.2% - hardly a 400% increase.

[Attax]

That still isn't something we want to see HR person.

[HRomanus]

That still isn't something we want to see HR person.

Well-said! I actually work in marketing and sales. We are currently at the height of our fundraising season, so I am in an anal mood about spreadsheets, percentages, and such. Gotta love it!

What sort of positions would ABA classify as business? (Or, perhaps, if you could point me to a document or thread discussing this)

[Attax]

That still isn't something we want to see HR person.

Well-said! I actually work in marketing and sales. We are currently at the height of our fundraising season, so I am in an anal mood about spreadsheets, percentages, and such. Gotta love it!

What sort of positions would ABA classify as business? (Or, perhaps, if you could point me to a document or thread discussing this)

I'm not sure, but I always took it to mean as in house (unlikely) or a field where you don't really need a JD.

I feel the pain about spreadsheets, been working with them a lot myself lately. I normally love them, but not today.

Ultimately, the school funded positions aren't desirable, an increase means, typically, they're trying to compensate for something (decreasing desirable positions) to keep rankings up, which is TTT.

[Kanye West]

Total School-Funded positions were 37 in 2012. They rose to 68 in 2013 (but were overwhelmingly full-time). Again, that's a movement from 13.9% to 23.2% - hardly a 400% increase.

You're right, sorry. Mistype, gotta stop doing this on my phone. Took out my past post for accuracy. But, I only counted full-time in the equation. Barring bigger class size, twice as many School-funded jobs, mostly full-time now. Still, not welcome information all things considered.

[Attax]

Total School-Funded positions were 37 in 2012. They rose to 68 in 2013 (but were overwhelmingly full-time). Again, that's a movement from 13.9% to 23.2% - hardly a 400% increase.

You're right, sorry. Mistype, gotta stop doing this on my phone. Took out my past post for accuracy. But, I only counted full-time in the equation. Barring bigger class size, twice as many School-funded jobs, mostly full-time now. Still, not welcome information all things considered.

True, UNLESS!!!! the school legit needed them to function.

[Kanye West]

Total School-Funded positions were 37 in 2012. They rose to 68 in 2013 (but were overwhelmingly full-time). Again, that's a movement from 13.9% to 23.2% - hardly a 400% increase.

You're right, sorry. Mistype, gotta stop doing this on my phone. Took out my past post for accuracy. But, I only counted full-time in the equation. Barring bigger class size, twice as many School-funded jobs, mostly full-time now. Still, not welcome information all things considered.

True, UNLESS!!!! the school legit needed them to function.

My understanding is that the school is funding the starting salaries of the students, not that they necessarily hire them to work at the school. This article was enlightening on the whole, school-funded front.

[cfcnvm]

Probably the most distressing aspect of this is that a lot of Emory's "peer" schools like Notre Dame, WUSTL, William & Mary and Boston College all had better employment statistics than last year.

[HRomanus]

That still isn't something we want to see HR person.

Well-said! I actually work in marketing and sales. We are currently at the height of our fundraising season, so I am in an anal mood about spreadsheets, percentages, and such. Gotta love it!

What sort of positions would ABA classify as business? (Or, perhaps, if you could point me to a document or thread discussing this)

I'm not sure, but I always took it to mean as in house (unlikely) or a field where you don't really need a JD.

I feel the pain about spreadsheets, been working with them a lot myself lately. I normally love them, but not today.

Ultimately, the school funded positions aren't desirable, an increase means, typically, they're trying to compensate for something (decreasing desirable positions) to keep rankings up, which is TTT.

Do you have any idea what the salary numbers were? LST only has Emory numbers for Class of 2010, where they looked pretty good. $130,000 median.

EDIT: a cursory glance shows that their employment numbers were a lot better in 2010 as well.

E.g. 7.9% in school-funded. 24.4% in BigLaw. 9.1% in Clerkships.

[itachiuchiha]

So how bad are the numbers? I don't want to read those stats.

[Kanye West]

So how bad are the numbers? I don't want to read those stats.

"Biglaw" = 100+ lawyers

c/o 2011: Biglaw (19.1%) + Fed. Clerk (6.6%) = 25.77% // School-Funded (11.6%)
Class size: 225

c/o 2012: Biglaw (23.3%) + Fed. Clerk (6.3%) = 29.69% // School-Funded (13.9%)
Class size: 266 (+18.2%)

c/o 2013: Biglaw (20.8%) + Fed. Clerk (5.4%) = 26.3% // School-Funded (23.2%)
Class size: 292 (+10%)

Spreadsheet masters descend!

[thevuch]

That economist read as if some kids in school funded positions actually get real jobs and the article even calls them "apprenticeships"


That the school gives you cash to go do public service work for a year or two?

Is this a preference of these students or an only option?


So many questions. Might need to send an email

[itachiuchiha]

So how bad are the numbers? I don't want to read those stats.

"Biglaw" = 100+ lawyers

c/o 2011: Biglaw (19.1%) + Fed. Clerk (6.6%) = 25.77% // School-Funded (11.6%)
Class size: 225

c/o 2012: Biglaw (23.3%) + Fed. Clerk (6.3%) = 29.69% // School-Funded (13.9%)
Class size: 266 (+18.2%)

c/o 2013: Biglaw (20.8%) + Fed. Clerk (5.4%) = 26.3% // School-Funded (23.2%)
Class size: 292 (+10%)

Spreadsheet masters descend!

That school funded area concerns me! But at least these stats are better than 2011. Maybe 2012 was just a great year. However, it isn't much worse than 2012.
I just hope that the class size goes lower next year.

[Kanye West]

That school funded area concerns me! But at least these stats are better than 2011. Maybe 2012 was just a great year. However, it isn't much worse than 2012.
I just hope that the class size goes lower next year.

This was something I was going to ask during ASW. Let's hope it drops a bit. *fingers crossed*

[amh]

I just got the financial aid email. Is that a good sign? Those that have been accepted, did you get it before you found out your decision?

[thevuch]

I just got the financial aid email. Is that a good sign? Those that have been accepted, did you get it before you found out your decision?

the dean of admissionc ame on here and said those are submitted independent of any admissions deciison

[amh]

I just got the financial aid email. Is that a good sign? Those that have been accepted, did you get it before you found out your decision?

the dean of admissionc ame on here and said those are submitted independent of any admissions deciison

Yes, I am aware of this, but I'm hoping that it is a good sign. I would love to go to Emory, and still waiting on a decision is torture. Lol.

[forty-two]

That economist read as if some kids in school funded positions actually get real jobs and the article even calls them "apprenticeships"


That the school gives you cash to go do public service work for a year or two?

Is this a preference of these students or an only option?


So many questions. Might need to send an email

Class of 2013 Emory alum here. I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I had a school funded position for a few months so I can tell you about my experience. I wanted to go into a public interest field that typically doesn't hire before bar results, so having a school funded fellowship was really helpful to me because I was able to get great experience in my field while waiting for my results. Also, my boss at my fellowship helped me get my current job. And my good friends that also took advantage of the program had similar experiences. Most of my friends are public interest minded though, so I can't really speak to how well it worked out for people who wanted to work for a firm.

While it's obviously not good news that the number of school funded fellowships are rising, they can definitely lead to full time employment. I hope that helps somewhat.

[thevuch]

That economist read as if some kids in school funded positions actually get real jobs and the article even calls them "apprenticeships"


That the school gives you cash to go do public service work for a year or two?

Is this a preference of these students or an only option?


So many questions. Might need to send an email

Class of 2013 Emory alum here. I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I had a school funded position for a few months so I can tell you about my experience. I wanted to go into a public interest field that typically doesn't hire before bar results, so having a school funded fellowship was really helpful to me because I was able to get great experience in my field while waiting for my results. Also, my boss at my fellowship helped me get my current job. And my good friends that also took advantage of the program had similar experiences. Most of my friends are public interest minded though, so I can't really speak to how well it worked out for people who wanted to work for a firm.

While it's obviously not good news that the number of school funded fellowships are rising, they can definitely lead to full time employment. I hope that helps somewhat.

this does indeed! thank you very much!

[mes10d]

Those who are attending ASW next week - please post expected class size ASAP! I loved visiting this week, but the 2013 stats + continually rising class size don't thrill me.

[Kanye West]

That economist read as if some kids in school funded positions actually get real jobs and the article even calls them "apprenticeships"


That the school gives you cash to go do public service work for a year or two?

Is this a preference of these students or an only option?


So many questions. Might need to send an email

Class of 2013 Emory alum here. I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I had a school funded position for a few months so I can tell you about my experience. I wanted to go into a public interest field that typically doesn't hire before bar results, so having a school funded fellowship was really helpful to me because I was able to get great experience in my field while waiting for my results. Also, my boss at my fellowship helped me get my current job. And my good friends that also took advantage of the program had similar experiences. Most of my friends are public interest minded though, so I can't really speak to how well it worked out for people who wanted to work for a firm.

While it's obviously not good news that the number of school funded fellowships are rising, they can definitely lead to full time employment. I hope that helps somewhat.

Thanks for this. It's definitely good to know that the jobs aren't for rank gouging (like some other schools), and lead to serious positions.

[STLtoATL]

For all of you fretting over the class size-

I hope you realize that class size for the class of 2013 takes into account the 30-40 kids that transfer into the school. So even admitted students day would not be a good predictor of our total class size upon graduation.