Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist Forum

[unrelated]

I don't know how indicative WL movement at other schools may be, but as a point of reference UVA sent out an email to let waitlistees know that they didn't anticipate dipping into the WL much ("if at all") based on received deposits.

Hopefully that means a lot of H admits took the money elsewhere this year.

That's what I was thinking as an optimistic interpretation, haha. Come on, debt-averse folks who don't qualify for need-based aid!

** On that point (more seriously), do we know what WL movement looked like at other T14 schools last cycle and the one before? Those represented low and high points for movement on the Harvard WL respectively, so would be curious to know whether that pattern tracked with movement elsewhere.

One thing to consider is that there was a massive increase in 170's this cycle, so schools like UVA very well could have targeted those scorers more heavily than usual given that there was also a big drop in 169 scorers (this would even reflect in an increase to their median).

However, I'm not totally sure what this would mean for waitlists, but I do think it makes it more likely that HYSCCN are probably going to pull fewer 170's and thus focus more on the thinner than usual supply of 172+ applicants. Assuming nothing too much has changed in the way high scorers behave in terms of following scholarship money to lower+mid T14, I think that would mean HYSCCN would accept more 172+ scores with lower than median GPA's from the waitlist. Conveniently, this also fits my narrative as a high-LSAT and low-GPA candidate.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2016-2 ... f-4-28-17/

[JJN11112]

I don't know how indicative WL movement at other schools may be, but as a point of reference UVA sent out an email to let waitlistees know that they didn't anticipate dipping into the WL much ("if at all") based on received deposits.

Hopefully that means a lot of H admits took the money elsewhere this year.

That's what I was thinking as an optimistic interpretation, haha. Come on, debt-averse folks who don't qualify for need-based aid!

** On that point (more seriously), do we know what WL movement looked like at other T14 schools last cycle and the one before? Those represented low and high points for movement on the Harvard WL respectively, so would be curious to know whether that pattern tracked with movement elsewhere.

Does anyone else think it's interesting UVA would send out that email? (I'm not on that Waitlist btw) What Spivey seemed to be arguing is that competition at the very top will have a cascading effect on a school like UVA. I'm not sure what UVA's deposit policy is and whether it requires that the depositor remove him/herself from any waitlists, but inferring from Spivey's comments, that'd seem like an ill-advised email to send.

[palalc]

For those who have submitted an LOCI, did you receive a response confirming receipt? If so, how long after submitting?

usually 1 or 2 days, won't be too long

It's been a few more than that already. I assume they're just busy after the deposit deadline

[curry1]

I don't know how indicative WL movement at other schools may be, but as a point of reference UVA sent out an email to let waitlistees know that they didn't anticipate dipping into the WL much ("if at all") based on received deposits.

I think it's nice of them to be transparent and not have people clinging to false hope.

[YLX]

There were 18 JS1 spots in the first wave last year and 40 in the first wave the year before that. Let's hope that it's closer to the 40 range this year.

Sorry, I'm confused... only 40 JS1 spots, so finally less than 40 admits from them. So there seems to be only a very small proportion (much less than 20%) of HLS waitlists got admitted in the end, including pre-WL JS1 waitlists? Or there are quite a few waves? Maybe I'm not familiar with this process.

[Studybuddy17]

There were 18 JS1 spots in the first wave last year and 40 in the first wave the year before that. Let's hope that it's closer to the 40 range this year.

Sorry, I'm confused... only 40 JS1 spots, so finally less than 40 admits from them. So there seems to be only a very small proportion (much less than 20%) of HLS waitlists got admitted in the end, including pre-WL JS1 waitlists? Or there are quite a few waves? Maybe I'm not familiar with this process.

I'm not sure where this data is from, but keep in mind that TLS users are just a small percentage of the general population, the real numbers are certainly much higher

[eck456]

Harvard doesn't do deposits, I don't think.
I do kind of think you're screwing yourself next year if you stay on the waitlist, get an offer, and then don't matriculate whether by declining the offer or withdrawing later.

I mean do what you need to do and don't force yourself to matriculate if it ends up being too expensive, but I wouldn't hold your breath if you reapply to Harvard next year, since it will be clear you just retook for more money at lower ranked schools and Harvard's financial aid package won't be too different year to year.

Note that I think there is only a black mark on your application if you turn down an acceptance after riding the waitlist. If you withdraw from the waitlist at any point before an offer and then reapply next year, I don't think they'll hold that against you.

Can verify from personal experiences and taking to Hls admissions team about it (tho they did just put me right back on the WL where I was last year, so do with that what you will)

did you decline after WL? numbers change from last year?

sorry, have been traveling/ in finals so didn't respond to this, but got some PMs and realized I said something confusing without then explaining.

WL both this year and last year, no numbers change. I was told explicitly by admin last year when I asked about this question (since I was committed to another situation that at that point meant I would have needed to defer a year, which you cannot do off WL) that if you are admitted off the WL and if you reject it, it is a severe black mark against you if you decided to reapply. on the other hand, they will not hold it against you if you withdraw from the waitlist with an intention to reapply. they explicitly said it would make them seriously concerned about admitting you if you turned them down once, because nothing would change for you (since aid is need based anyway) from year to year and they would take that as a sign of lack of commitment to HLS. they said if you are at all considering reapplying even if admitted, it is much better to withdraw from WL now and have your last status be "indeterminate"

[sorence]

There were 18 JS1 spots in the first wave last year and 40 in the first wave the year before that. Let's hope that it's closer to the 40 range this year.

Sorry, I'm confused... only 40 JS1 spots, so finally less than 40 admits from them. So there seems to be only a very small proportion (much less than 20%) of HLS waitlists got admitted in the end, including pre-WL JS1 waitlists? Or there are quite a few waves? Maybe I'm not familiar with this process.

I'm not sure where this data is from, but keep in mind that TLS users are just a small percentage of the general population, the real numbers are certainly much higher

Not really in this case. These were 40 spots opened in the first wave of WL JS1s two years back. That's 40 spots open for interviews, period- not 40 spots that only TLS users could see. You can see the slots open apparently if you've already been granted access to toe interview info page (making an assumption based on what I've read here) so that's how we have this number.

That being said, idk how many other waves there were bc I haven't seen the data/am too lazy to do the research. There could have been (and probably were) subsequent openings at later dates that raised the number of available interview slots.

[ml0606148]

There were 18 JS1 spots in the first wave last year and 40 in the first wave the year before that. Let's hope that it's closer to the 40 range this year.

Sorry, I'm confused... only 40 JS1 spots, so finally less than 40 admits from them. So there seems to be only a very small proportion (much less than 20%) of HLS waitlists got admitted in the end, including pre-WL JS1 waitlists? Or there are quite a few waves? Maybe I'm not familiar with this process.

I'm not sure where this data is from, but keep in mind that TLS users are just a small percentage of the general population, the real numbers are certainly much higher

Not really in this case. These were 40 spots opened in the first wave of WL JS1s two years back. That's 40 spots open for interviews, period- not 40 spots that only TLS users could see. You can see the slots open apparently if you've already been granted access to toe interview info page (making an assumption based on what I've read here) so that's how we have this number.

That being said, idk how many other waves there were bc I haven't seen the data/am too lazy to do the research. There could have been (and probably were) subsequent openings at later dates that raised the number of available interview slots.

in 2015, first wave was 40 interview slots and there was a second wave as well because it was a good year for WL. In 2016, not so. First wave was 18 and no second wave at all...

[sorence]

There were 18 JS1 spots in the first wave last year and 40 in the first wave the year before that. Let's hope that it's closer to the 40 range this year.

Sorry, I'm confused... only 40 JS1 spots, so finally less than 40 admits from them. So there seems to be only a very small proportion (much less than 20%) of HLS waitlists got admitted in the end, including pre-WL JS1 waitlists? Or there are quite a few waves? Maybe I'm not familiar with this process.

I'm not sure where this data is from, but keep in mind that TLS users are just a small percentage of the general population, the real numbers are certainly much higher

Not really in this case. These were 40 spots opened in the first wave of WL JS1s two years back. That's 40 spots open for interviews, period- not 40 spots that only TLS users could see. You can see the slots open apparently if you've already been granted access to toe interview info page (making an assumption based on what I've read here) so that's how we have this number.

That being said, idk how many other waves there were bc I haven't seen the data/am too lazy to do the research. There could have been (and probably were) subsequent openings at later dates that raised the number of available interview slots.

in 2015, first wave was 40 interview slots and there was a second wave as well because it was a good year for WL. In 2016, not so. First wave was 18 and no second wave at all...

Yeah, I figured that year must have had more. Thanks for the update! I'm just praying that this year looks nothing like last.

[heyya0909]

I sent in my loci April 28th and still no confirmation email. Should I email to ask if they received mine?

[notsonotorious]

I sent in my loci April 28th and still no confirmation email. Should I email to ask if they received mine?

but how will you know if they received your confirmation email? *mind blown*

ps: took them over a week to respond to me fwiw

[SpookySalem92]

I sent in my loci April 28th and still no confirmation email. Should I email to ask if they received mine?

but how will you know if they received your confirmation email? *mind blown*

ps: took them over a week to respond to me fwiw

Quick, everyone, let's infer a correlation between their level of interest in us & how long it takes to respond to our LOCIs! (Kidding). I'm sure it's abitrary processing to them, and would probably caution against reaching out unless you don't hear back within 5 business days or so.

[jjcorvino]

I sent in my LOCI finally. Don't feel amazing about it but I feel like it is neutral to my chances at worst.

[Rigo]

I sent in my LOCI finally. Don't feel amazing about it but I feel like it is neutral to my chances at worst.

I think nearly all LOCI's don't make one bit of difference unless they're like "oh btw I scored a 180 after retaking" so good job.

[jjcorvino]

I sent in my LOCI finally. Don't feel amazing about it but I feel like it is neutral to my chances at worst.

I think nearly all LOCI's don't make one bit of difference unless they're like "oh btw I scored a 180 after retaking" so good job.

I really wish I had something to update them on. Nothing exciting in my life.

[SpookySalem92]

*crickets*

[TudoBem]

UVA & Michicagn announced yesterday that they don't expect a lot of WL movement. Any thoughts?

[gargleblaster]

UVA & Michicagn announced yesterday that they don't expect a lot of WL movement. Any thoughts?

Glad I'm on the H waitlist!

[Pyrex]

UVA & Michicagn announced yesterday that they don't expect a lot of WL movement. Any thoughts?

With 165+ scores down overall, and most of those concentrated 165-170, I have to hope that this means good things for waitlists in T6. I remember also reading a few months back though about Michigan specifically reducing class size. If true that could complicate analysis.

[SpookySalem92]

UVA & Michicagn announced yesterday that they don't expect a lot of WL movement. Any thoughts?

See last page or two for discussions on this haha

[jjcorvino]

UVA & Michicagn announced yesterday that they don't expect a lot of WL movement. Any thoughts?

With 165+ scores down overall, and most of those concentrated 165-170, I have to hope that this means good things for waitlists in T6. I remember also reading a few months back though about Michigan specifically reducing class size. If true that could complicate analysis.

This is probably just wishful thinking for me, but I think there is a possibility that lower T13 is throwing money people that are getting into HYS and so their matriculation rate is unusually high. That would open spot on HYS waitlists. People might realize that taking the money is usually worth it.

[Rigo]

Michigan has been especially aggressive with money this year so I'm hoping that's right.
UChi has been throwing money at HYS type people these last two weeks for some last minute poaching.

[jjcorvino]

Michigan has been especially aggressive with money this year so I'm hoping that's right.
UChi has been throwing money at HYS type people these last two weeks for some last minute poaching.

Yeah, their offer to me was the best I got from any T13 (Gtown only matched theirs ).

[eck456]

Michigan has been especially aggressive with money this year so I'm hoping that's right.
UChi has been throwing money at HYS type people these last two weeks for some last minute poaching.

Yeah that's a u of chi thing right now...they did it for members of my current grad program last year. It was mooooonths after I'd accepted my spot at h and they offered me half the money. And called me at work. To say it was a reeally awkward call is a bit of an understatement - they got defensive about the fact that I'd been offered more money at peer schools and that they probably should have offered me $ in the first place, not months after I'd withdrawn from my spot. And then they paid me $40 to take an online survey about why I turned the (relatively small) amount of money down and how I felt about UChi's brand. No shade and it's a great school, but it was a weird series of decisions for a school that is so conscious of image these days