Stanford C/O 2019 Applicants (2015-2016 cycle) Forum

[spauldingno]

I know you're doing this already CM, but please please be careful what you post here and elsewhere on TLS (I'm not saying I've seen anything troublesome or anything), if SLS just happens to be lurking these boards they are going to be able to spot you like a whore in church.

I always see this but I'm not sure why you guys think the admissions office really cares what you post here (assuming it's not something like "I lied on my application"). The people that do this job are mature adults. They aren't looking at these posts and going "Oh, Johnny said he likes Yale better than Stanford, that jerk! Denied!" or "Suzie seems kinda neurotic. DLS!".

*cue everyone deleting their posts that didn't mean anything in the first place*

I have to disagree, especially for schools that award merit aid. I think there could certainly be a financial benefit from reading these forums when it comes to scholarship negotiations. Students come on here and post their true preferences, and schools award merit aid as a recruitment tool.

Say I were the dean of admissions of X school, and I was about to give out a $50,000 scholarship to a student. The student has high scores, I want him/her at my school, so I'm going to offer $50k in hopes they will attend. Then I find out that they posted online, "OMG I got in to X school! I'm definitely attending no matter what. But I hope they give me money." I would award them nothing, and save the $50k. Then I could go offer that $50k to another student who is truly on the fence.

If I were a dean of admissions, I could see paying an intern to read these forums. If I paid an intern $15/hour to read TLS for 300 hours, that would cost me $4,500. But, if it saved me from awarding one scholarship because I found out a student's true preferences, it would easily pay for itself.

Just my $0.02. This is how my brain works, but I'm not sure if law schools actually think like this. Food for thought.

Perhaps a different thread should be made "Adcomms Stalking TLS: Fact or Fiction" to continue this debate.

[mollywood]

I know you're doing this already CM, but please please be careful what you post here and elsewhere on TLS (I'm not saying I've seen anything troublesome or anything), if SLS just happens to be lurking these boards they are going to be able to spot you like a whore in church.

I always see this but I'm not sure why you guys think the admissions office really cares what you post here (assuming it's not something like "I lied on my application"). The people that do this job are mature adults. They aren't looking at these posts and going "Oh, Johnny said he likes Yale better than Stanford, that jerk! Denied!" or "Suzie seems kinda neurotic. DLS!".

*cue everyone deleting their posts that didn't mean anything in the first place*

I have to disagree, especially for schools that award merit aid. I think there could certainly be a financial benefit from reading these forums when it comes to scholarship negotiations. Students come on here and post their true preferences, and schools award merit aid as a recruitment tool.

Say I were the dean of admissions of X school, and I was about to give out a $50,000 scholarship to a student. The student has high scores, I want him/her at my school, so I'm going to offer $50k in hopes they will attend. Then I find out that they posted online, "OMG I got in to X school! I'm definitely attending no matter what. But I hope they give me money." I would award them nothing, and save the $50k. Then I could go offer that $50k to another student who is truly on the fence.

If I were a dean of admissions, I could see paying an intern to read these forums. If I paid an intern $15/hour to read TLS for 300 hours, that would cost me $4,500. But, if it saved me from awarding one scholarship because I found out a student's true preferences, it would easily pay for itself.

Just my $0.02. This is how my brain works, but I'm not sure if law schools actually think like this. Food for thought.

Paying an intern $15/hour? Maybe I'm getting the wrong internships, but I've definitely never made that much as an intern...

[pterodactyls]

Paying an intern $15/hour? Maybe I'm getting the wrong internships, but I've definitely never made that much as an intern...

Haha I was going with a conservative estimate, in case someone said "Well it may cost more than that!" You could certainly pay much less.

[panli19]

I went complete the first week of October and I've been thinking about a LOCI throughout the month of February. Any thoughts on this? I am sort of assuming I must be on some internal wait list, and they might look at my file again later in the cycle. There is just no way they haven't had the time to read it yet.

[panli19]

Also, Dean Deal did say she likes loci. https://law.stanford.edu/2010/12/07/adm ... it-begins/

[scandk]

I went complete the first week of October and I've been thinking about a LOCI throughout the month of February. Any thoughts on this? I am sort of assuming I must be on some internal wait list, and they might look at my file again later in the cycle. There is just no way they haven't had the time to read it yet.

Good question, I was thinking about this as well

[fliptrip]

Looks to me like you've got more than enough info to support that a LOCI is a good idea. I'd definitely say go for it!

[bamb00zled]

I went complete the first week of October and I've been thinking about a LOCI throughout the month of February. Any thoughts on this? I am sort of assuming I must be on some internal wait list, and they might look at my file again later in the cycle. There is just no way they haven't had the time to read it yet.

Good question, I was thinking about this as well

Yeah same. I think waiting until the first week of March might be a good idea though, it feels a little early...?

[4thand9]

Looks to me like you've got more than enough info to support that a LOCI is a good idea. I'd definitely say go for it!

Agree. I think a lot of things about Stanford's admissions process hints at their preference for applicants who give extra effort: S-specific LOR's, encouraging visits, and Dean Deal explicitly endorsing LOCI's before decisions. Not saying go overboard, but it appears that all of those things can be +'s to an application.

[coldmonkey13]

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[pterodactyls]

I find this an interesting position (that most of TLS takes). It seems to me that if you have meaningful updates to your application, whether they are academic or professional, you should send them, no matter how many emails it means you have to send. In my mind if the school rejects you because you sent four extra emails saying "oh yeah, by the way I got this great law related job" or "I won a prestegious award" then they're nuts. My view is essentially that sending frequent (assuming they are meaningful and not useless) updates simply conveys your passion for the school.

In terms of school specific recs etc. I can't imagine any school thinking of it negatively.

I think that's the key. I think it would be unusual for the average applicant to have four major significant updates in less than a year.

Quoted from Dean Deal's blog: "However, is it a bad thing to stay a bit more engaged? You just need to exercise some good judgment, though, and decide how much is enough versus becoming a pain."

I think sending four followup emails in one cycle would lean towards the "pain" category, but I guess it all depends on the person and the circumstances. Personally, I would try to wait and send one followup ("I got a new job, won an award, and have new grades") rather than sending so many separate emails.

[KiltedKicker]

Paying an intern $15/hour? Maybe I'm getting the wrong internships, but I've definitely never made that much as an intern...

Going rate at a Bay Area tech company for an intern is $20-25 an hour, at least in my experience. That's what the two small (but well-funded) startups I've worked at have paid

[coldmonkey13]

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[WinterComing]

I think that's the key. I think it would be unusual for the average applicant to have four major significant updates in less than a year.

Quoted from Dean Deal's blog: "However, is it a bad thing to stay a bit more engaged? You just need to exercise some good judgment, though, and decide how much is enough versus becoming a pain."

I think sending four followup emails in one cycle would lean towards the "pain" category, but I guess it all depends on the person and the circumstances. Personally, I would try to wait and send one followup ("I got a new job, won an award, and have new grades") rather than sending so many separate emails.

Yeah I had two and sent both in as soon as they occurred. It's interesting though that if you peruse the HLS thread they seem to even lose their minds at a thank you letter after your JS1.

It's well-known that the order in which Harvard cares about an applicant's credentials is as follows, from least important to most important:

4. Work experience.
3. GPA.
2. LSAT.
1. Whether or not you send a JS1 thank you.

[4thand9]

Looks to me like you've got more than enough info to support that a LOCI is a good idea. I'd definitely say go for it!

Agree. I think a lot of things about Stanford's admissions process hints at their preference for applicants who give extra effort: S-specific LOR's, encouraging visits, and Dean Deal explicitly endorsing LOCI's before decisions. Not saying go overboard, but it appears that all of those things can be +'s to an application.

I find this an interesting position (that most of TLS takes). It seems to me that if you have meaningful updates to your application, whether they are academic or professional, you should send them, no matter how many emails it means you have to send. In my mind if the school rejects you because you sent four extra emails saying "oh yeah, by the way I got this great law related job" or "I won a prestegious award" then they're nuts. My view is essentially that sending frequent (assuming they are meaningful and not useless) updates simply conveys your passion for the school.

In terms of school specific recs etc. I can't imagine any school thinking of it negatively.

I agree. I don't think there's any sort of cap on meaningful updates. I guess I meant going overboard with regard to stretching the meaning of "meaningful" haha. I sent in an update with fall grades and know other people who have also sent totally rational updates. I also get annoyed with the TLS sentiment of "Wow, you sent a thank you note? What an idiot." lol

[pocky]

Looks to me like you've got more than enough info to support that a LOCI is a good idea. I'd definitely say go for it!

I agree. I don't think there's any sort of cap on meaningful updates. I guess I meant going overboard with regard to stretching the meaning of "meaningful" haha. I sent in an update with fall grades and know other people who have also sent totally rational updates. I also get annoyed with the TLS sentiment of "Wow, you sent a thank you note? What an idiot." lol

Quick question - when you sent your fall grades update, did you email them with an attachment, or did you mail the official transcript to LSAC? I am thinking whether I should update them, but don't know what's the best way to do it. Thank you!

[fliptrip]

Yeah I had two and sent both in as soon as they occurred. It's interesting though that if you peruse the HLS thread they seem to even lose their minds at a thank you letter after your JS1.

I think it's a little different with the JS1 thank you. Obviously, sending the note wont hurt you, but I also think that it's far less likely to help you because you just had a 30-minute interview to convey your knowledge about, interest in, and passion around Harvard. There's no opportunity like that at Stanford, so I can see showing enthusiasm in these other ways as being more helpful.

Also, I've been around the block with both of these schools before and they are VERY different places. I think H proceeds from the assumption that of course you're passionate about and interested in HLS, because Harvard. I think SLS is way more humble and goes in knowing that if you're bold enough to think you're going to get into Stanford, you probably have your eyes on their peers too.

[4thand9]

Quick question - when you sent your fall grades update, did you email them with an attachment, or did you mail the official transcript to LSAC? I am thinking whether I should update them, but don't know what's the best way to do it. Thank you!

I just sent an email with my GPA for the semester and to what value it raised my overall LSAC-adjusted GPA.

Attachment could be fine as a placeholder until your official transcript gets processed. My UG's registrar was on a long winter break and it was peak admissions season, so I just wanted to take a shortcut.

I think the gist is "Hey, I got my fall grades, I submitted my transcript, but it may take a while to get through LSAC, so in the interim, this is what I got." Sure you can just wait for transcript to be processed, but it's another opportunity to make a contact and you could provide other updates on awards, papers, conferences, etc.

Just my $0.02

[4thand9]

Also, I've been around the block with both of these schools before and they are VERY different places. I think H proceeds from the assumption that of course you're passionate about and interested in HLS, because Harvard. I think SLS is way more humble and goes in knowing that if you're bold enough to think you're going to get into Stanford, you probably have your eyes on their peers too.

I find myself always agreeing with FlipTrip, I swear I'm not an alt haha

The "Harvard, because Harvard" thing definitely comes through. OTOH, my admit call with SLS was super nice, fun, and way longer than I expected lol. Just very different vibes of admit process.

[fliptrip]

^^I think it's okay to agree with me. I am terrific. If you come to SLS, I promise to show you in person. No, I'm kidding. I promise I am normal and completely unassuming in real life.

I think I am going to do something useful and create a c/o 2019 thread for SLS. Will you come 4thand9? I'd hate to annoy folks still waiting...

[fliptrip]

And here's a thread for admits in the Class of threads...

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=260765

[powerpuff]

Lurker here. Are any other admits having issues with the sunet email login? I was told to look out for fin aid info on the stanford.edu email, but I cannot seem to login to it

[fliptrip]

Lurker here. Are any other admits having issues with the sunet email login? I was told to look out for fin aid info on the stanford.edu email, but I cannot seem to login to it

This is the exact thing to bring to our c/o 2019 thread!

[fliptrip]

But since we're here, we have SUnet IDs, which allow us to log into Axess which is where we will be able to see our financial aid awards. We don't have @stanford.edu emails activated yet AFAIK.

[powerpuff]

But since we're here, we have SUnet IDs, which allow us to log into Axess which is where we will be able to see our financial aid awards. We don't have @stanford.edu emails activated yet AFAIK.

Thank you, and thanks for the c/o 2019 thread!