Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.RParadela wrote:The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soonJonesy2020 wrote:I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
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Employers have T10 differentials? How do they maintain that?LHS17 wrote:Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.RParadela wrote:The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soonJonesy2020 wrote:I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
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No one cares about rankings year to year in the real world. It takes a long time for prestige to change among employers. UT isn't going to suddenly start placing 70% in BL+ fed clerkships because they moved into the 14th slot this yearLHS17 wrote:Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.RParadela wrote:The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soonJonesy2020 wrote:I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
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My argument pertains to the opportunity to be placed. People may take a more liberal view on arbitrary grade cutoffs to coincide with the respect UT has been building over years.RParadela wrote:No one cares about rankings year to year in the real world. It takes a long time for prestige to change among employers. UT isn't going to suddenly start placing 70% in BL+ fed clerkships because they moved into the 14th slot this yearLHS17 wrote:Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.RParadela wrote:The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soonJonesy2020 wrote:I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
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I'm just still glad NYU didn't top CLS.
There can only be one best school in NY muhahaha.
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The FACTS are on T13's side.Monday wrote:It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13.![]()
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I can't even bring myself to make another alternative facts joke.Rigo wrote:The FACTS are on T13's side.Monday wrote:It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13.![]()
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I find alcohol and bitter cynicism have done me well thus far.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:I can't even bring myself to make another alternative facts joke.Rigo wrote:The FACTS are on T13's side.Monday wrote:It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13.![]()
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+1BirdLawExpert wrote:I find alcohol and bitter cynicism have done me well thus far.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:I can't even bring myself to make another alternative facts joke.Rigo wrote:The FACTS are on T13's side.Monday wrote:It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13.![]()
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Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994
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Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994
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Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitionsInstrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994
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UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the groupBirdLawExpert wrote:Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994
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Hm, the "average" idea in that thread is interesting... lol.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitionsInstrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994
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That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air todayDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
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People used T13 before today, but now the term might go ~mainstream~BirdLawExpert wrote:That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air todayDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote: UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
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I was always under the assumption T14 came from "every school has been ranked at least 14 forever"BirdLawExpert wrote:That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air todayDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
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But then wouldn't we have to keep GULC in? I want the name to be accurate, but I want to spite them way more.brinicolec wrote:Hm, the "average" idea in that thread is interesting... lol.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitionsInstrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994
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Yeah, T13 is fine in my book. The school I intend to go to pending no craziness is in either wayDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:But then wouldn't we have to keep GULC in? I want the name to be accurate, but I want to spite them way more.brinicolec wrote:Hm, the "average" idea in that thread is interesting... lol.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitionsInstrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994
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Could the lack of UT's national reach be self-selecting? Aka, since Texas has such an insular market (from what I've read), could it be possible that students go to UT wanting only Texas BigLaw? From what I've seen, the firms in Houston/Dallas/Austin seem to hire their own.LHS17 wrote:Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.RParadela wrote:The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soonJonesy2020 wrote:I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
(Correct me if I'm totally wrong. Ignorant 0L only familiar with St. Louis and Chicago over here).
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Then we would have to call it the "ESHBRAL14F" instead of the Top 14.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:I was always under the assumption T14 came from "every school has been ranked at least 14 forever"BirdLawExpert wrote:That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air todayDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
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