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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by LHS17 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:25 pm

RParadela wrote:
Jonesy2020 wrote:
Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?
The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soon
Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:37 pm

LHS17 wrote:
RParadela wrote:
Jonesy2020 wrote:
Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?
The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soon
Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.
Employers have T10 differentials? How do they maintain that?

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by RParadela » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:46 pm

LHS17 wrote:
RParadela wrote:
Jonesy2020 wrote:
Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?
The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soon
Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.
No one cares about rankings year to year in the real world. It takes a long time for prestige to change among employers. UT isn't going to suddenly start placing 70% in BL+ fed clerkships because they moved into the 14th slot this year

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by LHS17 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:55 pm

RParadela wrote:
LHS17 wrote:
RParadela wrote:
Jonesy2020 wrote:
Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?
The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soon
Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.
No one cares about rankings year to year in the real world. It takes a long time for prestige to change among employers. UT isn't going to suddenly start placing 70% in BL+ fed clerkships because they moved into the 14th slot this year
My argument pertains to the opportunity to be placed. People may take a more liberal view on arbitrary grade cutoffs to coincide with the respect UT has been building over years.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Thelaw23 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:14 pm

I'm just still glad NYU didn't top CLS.

There can only be one best school in NY muhahaha.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by ponderingmeerkat » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:16 pm

Wikipedia has been updated to the T13. :lol:

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 0&t=275083

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Rigo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:18 pm

Monday wrote:
ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13. :lol:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 0&t=275083
It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.
The FACTS are on T13's side.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:34 pm

Rigo wrote:
Monday wrote:
ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13. :lol:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 0&t=275083
It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.
The FACTS are on T13's side.
I can't even bring myself to make another alternative facts joke.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by BirdLawExpert » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:35 pm

Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Monday wrote:
ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13. :lol:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 0&t=275083
It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.
The FACTS are on T13's side.
I can't even bring myself to make another alternative facts joke.

It's march, how do I survive 3.8 more years of this administration?
I find alcohol and bitter cynicism have done me well thus far.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by LHS17 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:36 pm

Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Monday wrote:
ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13. :lol:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 0&t=275083
It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.
The FACTS are on T13's side.
I can't even bring myself to make another alternative facts joke.

It's march, how do I survive 3.8 more years of this administration?
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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Stylnator » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:37 pm

BirdLawExpert wrote:
Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Monday wrote:
ponderingmeerkat wrote:Wikipedia has been updated to the T13. :lol:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 0&t=275083
It's currently undergoing multiple revisions by both the T13 and T14 camps. A Wikipedia moderator will soon settle things.
The FACTS are on T13's side.
I can't even bring myself to make another alternative facts joke.

It's march, how do I survive 3.8 more years of this administration?
I find alcohol and bitter cynicism have done me well thus far.
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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Instrumental » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:47 pm

Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... .php?t=213

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by BirdLawExpert » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:52 pm

Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... .php?t=213

THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FALLING APART

Actual photograph of people trying to keep UT out of T-14:

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:52 pm

Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... .php?t=213

THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FALLING APART
Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitions

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:55 pm

BirdLawExpert wrote:
Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... .php?t=213

THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FALLING APART

Actual photograph of people trying to keep UT out of T-14:

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UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by brinicolec » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:56 pm

Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... .php?t=213

THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FALLING APART
Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitions
Hm, the "average" idea in that thread is interesting... lol.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by BirdLawExpert » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:59 pm

Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air today :lol:

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Rigo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:01 pm

BirdLawExpert wrote:
Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote: UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air today :lol:
People used T13 before today, but now the term might go ~mainstream~

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:02 pm

BirdLawExpert wrote:
Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air today :lol:
I was always under the assumption T14 came from "every school has been ranked at least 14 forever"

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:03 pm

brinicolec wrote:
Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... .php?t=213

THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FALLING APART
Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitions
Hm, the "average" idea in that thread is interesting... lol.
But then wouldn't we have to keep GULC in? I want the name to be accurate, but I want to spite them way more.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by brinicolec » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:04 pm

Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
brinicolec wrote:
Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
Instrumental wrote:Is it accurate to regard the current top 13 as "T13?" Northwestern was ranked 14 in 1996 and 1997. Cornell was 14 in 1995. UVA was 14 in 1994

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... .php?t=213

THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FALLING APART
Oh shit, this would happen to the only group of people concerned about the logical validity of their group definitions
Hm, the "average" idea in that thread is interesting... lol.
But then wouldn't we have to keep GULC in? I want the name to be accurate, but I want to spite them way more.
Yeah, T13 is fine in my book. The school I intend to go to pending no craziness is in either way :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by waldorf » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:05 pm

LHS17 wrote:
RParadela wrote:
Jonesy2020 wrote:
Thelaw23 wrote:Can you imagine how terrible their yield might be this year?
I can see a bunch of students choosing not to attend now that GULC got hit so hard. It really is the T13 now.
I can already tell I'm going to regret asking this, but what happens when/if Texas moves up even further in the rankings? What exactly gets everyone's undies in a bunch over Texas being T14?
The difference between Texas and Cornell or NW is pretty significant. I don't see that happening any time soon
Agree if you're referring to national reach, but I think employers who have differential grade cutoffs based on T10, T14, everyone else might expand T14 to T15. One would have to figure this is a statement of UT's merits as much as an "indictment" of GULC - I'm sure US News fully appreciates the symbolism of elevating UT to undisputed 14.
Could the lack of UT's national reach be self-selecting? Aka, since Texas has such an insular market (from what I've read), could it be possible that students go to UT wanting only Texas BigLaw? From what I've seen, the firms in Houston/Dallas/Austin seem to hire their own.

(Correct me if I'm totally wrong. Ignorant 0L only familiar with St. Louis and Chicago over here).

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Post by BirdLawExpert » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:05 pm

Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
BirdLawExpert wrote:
Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:
UT has a much weaker argument than T13 if this is the definition we're going to use. UT wasn't even T25 in 1998 so what name could we give to encompass all school movement for the group
That's a rather large if considering it was pulled out of thin air today :lol:
I was always under the assumption T14 came from "every school has been ranked at least 14 forever"
Then we would have to call it the "ESHBRAL14F" instead of the Top 14.

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