Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[pretzeltime]

To indulge in tasseomancy for a second, last week we saw JS waves Monday and Friday. This week, we saw a report of a JS1 on Monday... and today's Friday! So therefore

does this mean you are finally shedding your cool as a cucumber rational que sera sera vibez, at long last, f_U?

also you taught me a new word thanks

Tbh with Harvard all bets are off

Also tbh totally googled "reading tea leaves" specifically to discover the magical name for it, but final tbh I'm really glad I learned it too.

tbh I'm glad how honest you are with me

[canafsa]

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[eyetelyuhwhut]

^ No.

[smartmoon]

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[jjcorvino]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

[Thomas Hagan, ESQ.]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

!!!!! WOOHOO

[canafsa]

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[jjcorvino]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Outstanding! This will ripple forward to OCIs, clerkships, and our whole careers, really.

PM'd Spivey on Reddit and he said that this explains why there have been slower decisions this cycle. He said schools are waiting for the December test results and applicants.

[canafsa]

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[katthegreat11]

The general consensus is that you don't need it. But if you want to do one, you can send it to the jdadmissions email.

This doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't you send a thank you note? Who cares if they read it, it's the common courtesy thing to do since they took time out of their day to talk to you about your application. I've been sending them for all of mine.

[acz26]

how do you guys think this would fare for someone whose application strength comes from GPA more so than LSAT for HYS and top $$$ packages at CCN? I know that last year Columbia geared its scholarships toward LSAT heavy applicants. Any predictions for how this data might come into play?

[jjcorvino]

how do you guys think this would fare for someone whose application strength comes from GPA more so than LSAT for HYS and top $$$ packages at CCN? I know that last year Columbia geared its scholarships toward LSAT heavy applicants. Any predictions for how this data might come into play?

I would have to imagine that if LSATs are down then a high score gets greater weight.

[jebbush2k20]

how do you guys think this would fare for someone whose application strength comes from GPA more so than LSAT for HYS and top $$$ packages at CCN? I know that last year Columbia geared its scholarships toward LSAT heavy applicants. Any predictions for how this data might come into play?

I would have to imagine that if LSATs are down then a high score gets greater weight.

Also seems reasonable that they might hold off on splitters until December LSATs come out to see if some 3.9s can pull their LSATs up above median.

[Aquinas]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Didn't Spivey's website say just a couple days ago that his application consulting business was at capacity because applications were up by so much this year? Kinda confused as to how to reconcile that with the Twitter post you're referencing...

[jebbush2k20]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Outstanding! This will ripple forward to OCIs, clerkships, and our whole careers, really.

Why? Class sizes at top schools aren't going to go down because of this, and OCI/clerkships, etc. aren't evenly distributed among every law school. A potential point or two down on median LSAT at HYS/CCN isn't going to make clerkships less competitive. You're still competing against the same number of people, and federal judges aren't going to ask for your LSAT score.

[Smc1994]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Didn't Spivey's website say just a couple days ago that his application consulting business was at capacity because applications were up by so much this year? Kinda confused as to how to reconcile that with the Twitter post you're referencing...

I'd have to double check, but I don't think he mentioned an increase in overall applicants. Rather, I think there was a surge in interest for the services that his company offers.

[jjcorvino]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Didn't Spivey's website say just a couple days ago that his application consulting business was at capacity because applications were up by so much this year? Kinda confused as to how to reconcile that with the Twitter post you're referencing...

I have no idea. Maybe he was talking about his applications? I didn't read that.

[canafsa]

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[curry1]

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[Smc1994]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Outstanding! This will ripple forward to OCIs, clerkships, and our whole careers, really.

Why? Class sizes at top schools aren't going to go down because of this, and OCI/clerkships, etc. aren't evenly distributed among every law school. A potential point or two down on median LSAT at HYS/CCN isn't going to make clerkships less competitive. You're still competing against the same number of people, and federal judges aren't going to ask for your LSAT score.

I was taking the schools' word that the LSAT is indicative of 1L success rates. A class with fewer 175+s would presumably have a gentler curve.

I think that there's merit to this argument, provided that December and February scores don't offset the current data.

[Aquinas]

Yup, looks like jjcorvino and Smc1994 were right on the money.

Here's the post I was referring to: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/hiring ... ails-here/. He says, "We have had an unprecedented cycle of client interest (which hopefully means applications are way up for everyone)," but I guess his posts from this morning would contradict the inference he made there.

[jebbush2k20]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Outstanding! This will ripple forward to OCIs, clerkships, and our whole careers, really.

Why? Class sizes at top schools aren't going to go down because of this, and OCI/clerkships, etc. aren't evenly distributed among every law school. A potential point or two down on median LSAT at HYS/CCN isn't going to make clerkships less competitive. You're still competing against the same number of people, and federal judges aren't going to ask for your LSAT score.

I was taking the schools' word that the LSAT is indicative of 1L success rates. A class with fewer 175+s would presumably have a gentler curve.

I think that there's merit to this argument, provided that December and February scores don't offset the current data.

I find it hard to believe that a point or two difference above 170 (which we all know is a difference of a few questions) would = a curve "gentle" enough to impact clerkships.

[curry1]

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[jebbush2k20]

Good news Harvard peeps. LSAT scores and applicants are down across the board: https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult

Applicants:
Applicants DOWN 5.1% Applications DOWN 1.7%.

LSAT:
165-169 (-18.8%)
170-174 (-2.0%)
175-180 ( -25.4%)

This sort of makes me rethink my ED to NU idea though.

Outstanding! This will ripple forward to OCIs, clerkships, and our whole careers, really.

Why? Class sizes at top schools aren't going to go down because of this, and OCI/clerkships, etc. aren't evenly distributed among every law school. A potential point or two down on median LSAT at HYS/CCN isn't going to make clerkships less competitive. You're still competing against the same number of people, and federal judges aren't going to ask for your LSAT score.

I think he's saying that he/us will get into better schools, positively impacting our individual future career prospects for decades.

If that's what s/he's saying, sure. But s/he seemed to be arguing that somehow, on an aggregate level, highly competitive career outcomes will become less competitive because one year of applicants had lower LSAT scores.