Berkeley Law School c/o 2018 Applicants (2014-2015 cycle) Forum

[4LTsPointingNorth]

Is FR2 prior to 2/6 a pre-req for acceptance for those pushed to FR earlier this month?

[Hand]

Is FR2 prior to 2/6 a pre-req for acceptance for those pushed to FR earlier this month?

what are you even talking about

[jemthey17]

Is FR2 prior to 2/6 a pre-req for acceptance for those pushed to FR earlier this month?

I think faculty review 2 is just the second wave of faculty review. FR1 people should hear one way or the other by 2/6.

[ku546]

Anyone from FR1 hear anything yet? I know they said before or on Feb 6th, but it's only a week away so you'd think someone would have a status update change since 1/13 or something.

[4LTsPointingNorth]

Is FR2 prior to 2/6 a pre-req for acceptance for those pushed to FR earlier this month?

I think faculty review 2 is just the second wave of faculty review. FR1 people should hear one way or the other by 2/6.

My bad. I interpreted FR1 to indicate the date of first Faculty review (similar to UR1) and FR2 to mean a date change / second Faculty reader

[antiworldly]

Anyone from FR1 hear anything yet? I know they said before or on Feb 6th, but it's only a week away so you'd think someone would have a status update change since 1/13 or something.

All quiet on the western front. . .

[altf4]

Is FR2 prior to 2/6 a pre-req for acceptance for those pushed to FR earlier this month?

From the c/o 2017 thread, quoted as is:

First faculty review wave timeline:

A) 1/23: Faculty review notifications sent
B) 2/14: Admission decisions sent [22 days after (A)]
C) 2/18: Denial and waitlist notifications sent


Second wave: (probably)

A') 2/21: Faculty review notifications sent.
B') 3/14: Admissions decision notifications [21 days after (A')]
C') 3/17-3/18: Denial and WL notifications

Based on c/o 2017:
FR1 dings and waitlists were sent 2/18~2/19
all sorts of FR2 decisions (admits, WLs and dings) were made on 3/14 (no massive wave of posts on March 17~18 like the quote above)
Massive wave of non-FR dings went out 2/20 and 2/26 and probably other times too but I'd need to check another 20-25 pages of threads for that

[LeeAllen]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

[Hand]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

you do realize that's merely 8 days ago, no?

[LeeAllen]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

you do realize that's merely 8 days ago, no?

Oh yes, I'm not complaining at lack of movement. I'm just wondering whether FR is good or bad.

[Dipper]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

My understanding is that it's neutral. For candidates who weren't auto-ins or auto-rejects. I can't recall off the top of my head the breakdown for how many get in off faculty review, but I think there are definitely more WLs and rejections than acceptances.

[Tr3]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

I think it's a middle thing. The Dean felt like we weren't good enough to outright admit, but weren't outright dings either.

I want to say I read that 1400-1600 apps go to FR and of those like 200-300 are admitted (I think it's in the TLS Berk profile?)

EDIT:

Dean Tom: "...we also identify about 1400 to 1600 other applications that are very competitive, and these we send to our faculty admissions committee, comprised of 6 faculty and 12 students. Students serve in an advising capacity on the committee. I admit roughly 550 people through what I call the administrative review process, and the admissions committee (the faculty committee) admits about another 200 or so. So, we end up admitting about 700 to 750 people. The admissions committee also structures a waiting list, and then everyone else is denied, either administratively or by the Committee.

This comes from a TLS interview with Dean Tom, but it's kind of old now.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/tom-interview.html

[ku546]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

I think it's a middle thing. The Dean felt like we weren't good enough to outright admit, but weren't outright dings either.

I want to say I read that 1400-1600 apps go to FR and of those like 200-300 are admitted (I think it's in the TLS Berk profile?)

EDIT:

Dean Tom: "...we also identify about 1400 to 1600 other applications that are very competitive, and these we send to our faculty admissions committee, comprised of 6 faculty and 12 students. Students serve in an advising capacity on the committee. I admit roughly 550 people through what I call the administrative review process, and the admissions committee (the faculty committee) admits about another 200 or so. So, we end up admitting about 700 to 750 people. The admissions committee also structures a waiting list, and then everyone else is denied, either administratively or by the Committee.

This comes from a TLS interview with Dean Tom, but it's kind of old now.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/tom-interview.html

Wow only 200-300 of ~1500 = ~15% chance of getting in. So much for getting my hopes up from being in the FR pool.

[lokikoala]

What's the consensus on not even going to FR yet. Been UR since 1/5. good/bad/nothing? Obviously we can't predict anything, but, c'mon, it's the applicants thread. We gotta try.

[mr.plum]

What's the consensus on not even going to FR yet. Been UR since 1/5. good/bad/nothing? Obviously we can't predict anything, but, c'mon, it's the applicants thread. We gotta try.

Same here. UR 1/5 and haven't heard anything since.

[ku546]

What's the consensus on not even going to FR yet. Been UR since 1/5. good/bad/nothing? Obviously we can't predict anything, but, c'mon, it's the applicants thread. We gotta try.

I applied Early Dec and didn't hear about FR until 1 month later. I wouldn't worry.

[Dipper]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

I think it's a middle thing. The Dean felt like we weren't good enough to outright admit, but weren't outright dings either.

I want to say I read that 1400-1600 apps go to FR and of those like 200-300 are admitted (I think it's in the TLS Berk profile?)

EDIT:

Dean Tom: "...we also identify about 1400 to 1600 other applications that are very competitive, and these we send to our faculty admissions committee, comprised of 6 faculty and 12 students. Students serve in an advising capacity on the committee. I admit roughly 550 people through what I call the administrative review process, and the admissions committee (the faculty committee) admits about another 200 or so. So, we end up admitting about 700 to 750 people. The admissions committee also structures a waiting list, and then everyone else is denied, either administratively or by the Committee.

This comes from a TLS interview with Dean Tom, but it's kind of old now.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/tom-interview.html

Wow only 200-300 of ~1500 = ~15% chance of getting in. So much for getting my hopes up from being in the FR pool.

Yeah, when you put it like that it's pretty damn bleak.

Berkeley, why do you hate splitters?

[altf4]

What's the consensus on not even going to FR yet. Been UR since 1/5. good/bad/nothing? Obviously we can't predict anything, but, c'mon, it's the applicants thread. We gotta try.

Same here. UR 1/5 and haven't heard anything since.

There was talk going on about this when the FR1 emails first went out. A lot of people think it's a date cut-off.
Like, FRs are basically in the not-sure pile: "We the admin don't know about you and can't decide, so we'll ask a dozen other people and have them decide." FR1 notifications then would have gone to people in the above group that submitted (or completed?) before a certain date.

This leads me to believe that URs before that same date are more obvious admits or dings, and many non-FR1 URs do in fact get their decisions shortly after FR1 results come out.

The same deliberation happens for FR2s; people who submitted/completed AFTER the FR1 "cutoff" date but fall under the uncertain-applicant category would receive FR2, and the more obvious admit-or-dings remain UR2.

(This is simply my understanding of the discussion that happened several pages back and by no means has it been confirmed by anyone.)

[lokikoala]

What's the consensus on not even going to FR yet. Been UR since 1/5. good/bad/nothing? Obviously we can't predict anything, but, c'mon, it's the applicants thread. We gotta try.

Same here. UR 1/5 and haven't heard anything since.

There was talk going on about this when the FR1 emails first went out. A lot of people think it's a date cut-off.
Like, FRs are basically in the not-sure pile: "We the admin don't know about you and can't decide, so we'll ask a dozen other people and have them decide." FR1 notifications then would have gone to people in the above group that submitted (or completed?) before a certain date.

This leads me to believe that URs before that same date are more obvious admits or dings, and many non-FR1 URs do in fact get their decisions shortly after FR1 results come out.

The same deliberation happens for FR2s; people who submitted/completed AFTER the FR1 "cutoff" date but fall under the uncertain-applicant category would receive FR2, and the more obvious admit-or-dings remain UR2.

(This is simply my understanding of the discussion that happened several pages back and by no means has it been confirmed by anyone.)

I like this interpretation because it means we could still see movement early Feb when FR1s do. Something to look forward to (arbitrarily).

[nosocat]

What's the consensus on not even going to FR yet. Been UR since 1/5. good/bad/nothing? Obviously we can't predict anything, but, c'mon, it's the applicants thread. We gotta try.

Same here. UR 1/5 and haven't heard anything since.

There was talk going on about this when the FR1 emails first went out. A lot of people think it's a date cut-off.
Like, FRs are basically in the not-sure pile: "We the admin don't know about you and can't decide, so we'll ask a dozen other people and have them decide." FR1 notifications then would have gone to people in the above group that submitted (or completed?) before a certain date.

This leads me to believe that URs before that same date are more obvious admits or dings, and many non-FR1 URs do in fact get their decisions shortly after FR1 results come out.

The same deliberation happens for FR2s; people who submitted/completed AFTER the FR1 "cutoff" date but fall under the uncertain-applicant category would receive FR2, and the more obvious admit-or-dings remain UR2.

(This is simply my understanding of the discussion that happened several pages back and by no means has it been confirmed by anyone.)

The only thing that doesn't make sense here is why would they hold the non-FR URs until after FR wraps up? If you were an ovbious admit/ding, why wouldn't they just send you the decision when they make it? Cruel joke?

[altf4]

What's the consensus on not even going to FR yet. Been UR since 1/5. good/bad/nothing? Obviously we can't predict anything, but, c'mon, it's the applicants thread. We gotta try.

Same here. UR 1/5 and haven't heard anything since.

There was talk going on about this when the FR1 emails first went out. A lot of people think it's a date cut-off.
Like, FRs are basically in the not-sure pile: "We the admin don't know about you and can't decide, so we'll ask a dozen other people and have them decide." FR1 notifications then would have gone to people in the above group that submitted (or completed?) before a certain date.

This leads me to believe that URs before that same date are more obvious admits or dings, and many non-FR1 URs do in fact get their decisions shortly after FR1 results come out.

The same deliberation happens for FR2s; people who submitted/completed AFTER the FR1 "cutoff" date but fall under the uncertain-applicant category would receive FR2, and the more obvious admit-or-dings remain UR2.

(This is simply my understanding of the discussion that happened several pages back and by no means has it been confirmed by anyone.)

The only thing that doesn't make sense here is why would they hold the non-FR URs until after FR wraps up? If you were an ovbious admit/ding, why wouldn't they just send you the decision when they make it? Cruel joke?

NorCal humor?

That's a good point, and I really don't know...
But the non-FR1 movement that happened shortly after FR1 decisions were handed out last year was a bloodbath,* so maybe they're injecting hope into the URs that remain alive after killing off a bunch of FR1s and non-FR1 URs. Now that would be cruel..

*I don't really know about admit decisions that happened to Non-FR1 URs but I presume there would have been some.

[Sacred Cow]

Is FR generally considered a good or a bad thing?

I've just been sitting at UR since 1/20.

I think it's a middle thing. The Dean felt like we weren't good enough to outright admit, but weren't outright dings either.

I want to say I read that 1400-1600 apps go to FR and of those like 200-300 are admitted (I think it's in the TLS Berk profile?)

EDIT:

Dean Tom: "...we also identify about 1400 to 1600 other applications that are very competitive, and these we send to our faculty admissions committee, comprised of 6 faculty and 12 students. Students serve in an advising capacity on the committee. I admit roughly 550 people through what I call the administrative review process, and the admissions committee (the faculty committee) admits about another 200 or so. So, we end up admitting about 700 to 750 people. The admissions committee also structures a waiting list, and then everyone else is denied, either administratively or by the Committee.

This comes from a TLS interview with Dean Tom, but it's kind of old now.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/tom-interview.html

Wow only 200-300 of ~1500 = ~15% chance of getting in. So much for getting my hopes up from being in the FR pool.

Those numbers do look grim, but that interview was from 2006, when applications were waaaayyyyy higher than they are now. I bet FR is more favorable now than it used to be, but still generally a neutral thing.

[hopeboaltberkeley]

A 15% acceptance rate is higher than the general application pool's acceptance rate FWIW

[rouleur]

I've been UR since 11/5. I know Hell will probably freeze over before I'm admitted, so I'm dressing warm and trying not to let it get me down. Heck, they haven't rejected me... yet.

Best of luck to those still waiting, and all that.

TTT, here I come....

[dabigchina]

Looking through old threads, it looks like facaulty review leans heavily towards reviewing softs and personal statements. Seems like they are not going to look at numbers very closely this time around.