Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[tartan2016]

Also, since there are no interviews tomorrow, doesn't it make sense that a large reject/wl wave will happen?

Could happen, certainly. Will happen? No idea.

I don't think so because admissions will almost certainly be busy at ASW tomorrow.

True, but WL/ding emails don't take much work to send. Someone just has to push a button, assuming they've been batched up for release.

Don't they usually send decisions early in the week? Also I see some people's profiles say they have been waitlisted. Has H sent out waitlists already?

[Pozzo]

Here's some math I did in a PM to SMC that might be comforting/helpful to all the other JS1's who haven't heard back yet:

There's one wave left, probably average-sized (so, 1/5 of the 1000 non-WL admits, or 200 potential HLS'ers). Maybe 30 spots in it (I'm just spitballing here, but it's honest spitballing--I'm not fudging numbers to make you feel better) will be taken up by last-minute JS1's (there haven't been enough last-minute JS1's to fill more than 30 ish spots). We know from the thread that everyone who wasn't a last minute JS1 (i.e. people with JS1's in early March or earlier) was considered for this last wave, so the other 170 JS2's will be given out to people exactly like you. I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a better chance than someone who JS1'd in November, but by the same token, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a worse shot than someone who JS1'd in late February. So the question is, how many people are you competing against for those 170 spots? Well, that math is easy--it's the total number of non-WL JS1's (around 1200, when you account for the last-minute people) minus the admits so far (800-ish). 400. 170/400 = 42.5%. You have a better than 40% "raw" chance of getting in. That's not the 75% chance you started out with, but it ain't bad.

Now, of course, those 170 spots are not given away randomly. It's a numbers game, just like it always has been.

Here's hoping!

FWIW, I just got a Vandy from NYU this morning. So that takes some of the sting out.

'Grats!!!

[seeprybyrun]

Here's some math I did in a PM to SMC that might be comforting/helpful to all the other JS1's who haven't heard back yet:

There's one wave left, probably average-sized (so, 1/5 of the 1000 non-WL admits, or 200 potential HLS'ers). Maybe 30 spots in it (I'm just spitballing here, but it's honest spitballing--I'm not fudging numbers to make you feel better) will be taken up by last-minute JS1's (there haven't been enough last-minute JS1's to fill more than 30 ish spots). We know from the thread that everyone who wasn't a last minute JS1 (i.e. people with JS1's in early March or earlier) was considered for this last wave, so the other 170 JS2's will be given out to people exactly like you. I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a better chance than someone who JS1'd in November, but by the same token, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a worse shot than someone who JS1'd in late February. So the question is, how many people are you competing against for those 170 spots? Well, that math is easy--it's the total number of non-WL JS1's (around 1200, when you account for the last-minute people) minus the admits so far (800-ish). 400. 170/400 = 42.5%. You have a better than 40% "raw" chance of getting in. That's not the 75% chance you started out with, but it ain't bad.

Now, of course, those 170 spots are not given away randomly. It's a numbers game, just like it always has been.

Here's hoping!

FWIW, I just got a Vandy from NYU this morning. So that takes some of the sting out.

'Grats!!!

Thank you!

[LSRAT]

Also, since there are no interviews tomorrow, doesn't it make sense that a large reject/wl wave will happen?

Could happen, certainly. Will happen? No idea.

I don't think so because admissions will almost certainly be busy at ASW tomorrow.

Right, I forgot about that. Makes sense. (Also, nice avatar).

[ws120]

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There's one wave left, probably average-sized (so, 1/5 of the 1000 non-WL admits, or 200 potential HLS'ers). Maybe 30 spots in it (I'm just spitballing here, but it's honest spitballing--I'm not fudging numbers to make you feel better) will be taken up by last-minute JS1's (there haven't been enough last-minute JS1's to fill more than 30 ish spots). We know from the thread that everyone who wasn't a last minute JS1 (i.e. people with JS1's in early March or earlier) was considered for this last wave, so the other 170 JS2's will be given out to people exactly like you. I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a better chance than someone who JS1'd in November, but by the same token, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a worse shot than someone who JS1'd in late February. So the question is, how many people are you competing against for those 170 spots? Well, that math is easy--it's the total number of non-WL JS1's (around 1200, when you account for the last-minute people) minus the admits so far (800-ish). 400. 170/400 = 42.5%. You have a better than 40% "raw" chance of getting in. That's not the 75% chance you started out with, but it ain't bad.

Now, of course, those 170 spots are not given away randomly. It's a numbers game, just like it always has been.[/quote]

This is dubious. First, there are about 800 non WL admits, since HLS usually admits about 100 off the waitlist. Second, the data on LSN suggests that most of those 800 offers have been given out, if we compare that data to last year's cycle. Not saying the wave next week will not include JS1's from early 2017 and 2016, but I think its time for those of us who were in those JS1s to start preparing for a waitlist. The odds are almost certainly less than 40% for a non-WL admit.

[Kinch08]

This is dubious. First, there are about 800 non WL admits, since HLS usually admits about 100 off the waitlist. Second, the data on LSN suggests that most of those 800 offers have been given out, if we compare that data to last year's cycle. Not saying the wave next week will not include JS1's from early 2017 and 2016, but I think its time for those of us who were in those JS1s to start preparing for a waitlist. The odds are almost certainly less than 40% for a non-WL admit.

It definitely is dubious, I'm pulling numbers out of thin air because there's no better alternative.

Except, maybe, for the LSN data; I haven't looked at it. It's bad, huh?

[KaijuOh8]

It definitely is dubious, I'm pulling numbers out of thin air because there's no better alternative.

Except, maybe, for the LSN data; I haven't looked at it. It's bad, huh?

Notwithstanding specific numbers and data (thank you for your effort to calm us unselected JS1 souls, by the way), three things look certain at this point:

1. There will be a JS2 wave next week;
2. There are massive WL / Ding purges on our way; and
3. There will be no more JS1s.

There is also one possibility: Some JS1 may get in via the next wave. This is pure speculation, and I personally don't bet on being in that last wave. Better start looking into the schools I got into while praying I get into the waitlist.

[KaijuOh8]

I wonder why last year and the year before, the first JS2s went to WL-JS1s and not pre-WL JS1s.
Gives me hope that if I'm waitlisted I could hear as early as late May.

(delusions of grandeur are so fun, you should really try it!)

Oh, been there, done that. Believe me.

[Anon.y.mousse.]

It definitely is dubious, I'm pulling numbers out of thin air because there's no better alternative.

Except, maybe, for the LSN data; I haven't looked at it. It's bad, huh?

Notwithstanding specific numbers and data (thank you for your effort to calm us unselected JS1 souls, by the way), three things look certain at this point:

1. There will be a JS2 wave next week;
2. There are massive WL / Ding purges on our way; and
3. There will be no more JS1s.

There is also one possibility: Some JS1 may get in via the next wave. This is pure speculation, and I personally don't bet on being in that last wave. Better start looking into the schools I got into while praying I get into the waitlist.

Agreed. I personally am not betting on it either, and I'm coming to terms with that. Ultimately I probably wouldn't have ended up on Harvard anyways - $250k is a lot of money and a lot of debt to have hanging over my head when I have other great options and like .01% likelihood of need based aid. A WL/ding will just kind of sting because I didn't make the cut for undergrad either, despite stellar stats (*single tear rolls down cheek*), but maybe Harvard and me just weren't meant to be </3.

[KaijuOh8]

maybe Harvard and me just weren't meant to be </3.

Or maybe the karma for breaking the sacred 180 magic has finally began to hunt you down.

[Anon.y.mousse.]

maybe Harvard and me just weren't meant to be </3.

Or maybe the karma for breaking the sacred 180 magic has finally began to hunt you down.

lol true s/o to all the first time posters who pushed my post to 181 and cursed me forever.

[Rodgepwnd]

First time posting but longtime lurker.

I had my interview 3/8 and didn't get a JS2 yesterday . Does this mean I'll likely get dinged or WL'ed? My numbers are pretty good and I thought the interview went okay. Just looking for an honest assessment of my chances based on my interview date and the fact that I missed that last wave.

[Anon.y.mousse.]

First time posting but longtime lurker.

I had my interview 3/8 and didn't get a JS2 yesterday . Does this mean I'll likely get dinged or WL'ed? My numbers are pretty good and I thought the interview went okay. Just looking for an honest assessment of my chances based on my interview date and the fact that I missed that last wave.

If you look through last year's end-of-March-wave admits, many of them have JS2 dates in late February and early March. Many of the people admitted in yesterday's wave "missed" the first (and maybe second/third) wave that happened after their interview. Don't lose hope! It's not over until it's over and clearly they liked something about your app enough to give you an interview at this point.

[gizmo1024]

First time posting but longtime lurker.

I had my interview 3/8 and didn't get a JS2 yesterday . Does this mean I'll likely get dinged or WL'ed? My numbers are pretty good and I thought the interview went okay. Just looking for an honest assessment of my chances based on my interview date and the fact that I missed that last wave.

Right there with ya buddy. Early March JS1.

[curry1]

I'm beginning to wonder if I should have retaken my above median lsat...

[LHS17]

What time do ASW sessions start and end on first and last days? Would help in organizing airfares (for the April weekend, believe the official detail is forthcoming). Stipend amount?

[jjcorvino]

I'm beginning to wonder if I should have retaken my above median lsat...

RETAKE!


Jk

[KateMcKitten]

What time do ASW sessions start and end on first and last days? Would help in organizing airfares (for the April weekend, believe the official detail is forthcoming). Stipend amount?

Let's take this to http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 7&t=274102 ? There is info there!

[taxman14]

Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!

yes

so bizarre...a ton will happen in the next week

Quick q: any estimates of how many JS2s are remaining?? I'm sure someone has done the analysis

Here's some math I did in a PM to SMC that might be comforting/helpful to all the other JS1's who haven't heard back yet:

There's one wave left, probably average-sized (so, 1/5 of the 1000 non-WL admits, or 200 potential HLS'ers). Maybe 30 spots in it (I'm just spitballing here, but it's honest spitballing--I'm not fudging numbers to make you feel better) will be taken up by last-minute JS1's (there haven't been enough last-minute JS1's to fill more than 30 ish spots). We know from the thread that everyone who wasn't a last minute JS1 (i.e. people with JS1's in early March or earlier) was considered for this last wave, so the other 170 JS2's will be given out to people exactly like you. I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a better chance than someone who JS1'd in November, but by the same token, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a worse shot than someone who JS1'd in late February. So the question is, how many people are you competing against for those 170 spots? Well, that math is easy--it's the total number of non-WL JS1's (around 1200, when you account for the last-minute people) minus the admits so far (800-ish). 400. 170/400 = 42.5%. You have a better than 40% "raw" chance of getting in. That's not the 75% chance you started out with, but it ain't bad.

Now, of course, those 170 spots are not given away randomly. It's a numbers game, just like it always has been.

you're my hero

bless you

[edwardcyz]

First time posting but longtime lurker.

I had my interview 3/8 and didn't get a JS2 yesterday . Does this mean I'll likely get dinged or WL'ed? My numbers are pretty good and I thought the interview went okay. Just looking for an honest assessment of my chances based on my interview date and the fact that I missed that last wave.

Right there with ya buddy. Early March JS1.

Same. Had my JS1 on 2/28 and both LSAT GPA 50<75

[LHS17]

What time do ASW sessions start and end on first and last days? Would help in organizing airfares (for the April weekend, believe the official detail is forthcoming). Stipend amount?

Let's take this to http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 7&t=274102 ? There is info there!

Solid. Thanks.

[AllHailKingMao]

What's HLS's take on extra LORs? Do they look upon them favorably? Considering asking two profs for emergency letters lol

[jjcorvino]

What's HLS's take on extra LORs? Do they look upon them favorably? Considering asking two profs for emergency letters lol

HLS actually said they do not want more letters in their waitlist FAQ. I think they would appreciate a LOCI or new resume if there is an update though.

[KaijuOh8]

It's about 10:30 a.m., and no news of a rejection email yet. Looks like we - as in potential WL candidates - will all live to witness the final week...?

*tension builds up*

[LegalAAA]

To recap:

There will be at least one more wave next week.
It will include some early JS1s.

Good luck to everyone.