TLS c/o 2020 - In #Squad We Trust Forum

[chargers21]

Another fucking waitlist.

3 in one week. The latest one (Gtown) had me at an 82% chance of getting in as well.

Fuck this lol

Dude, I hear you. My 2 WL are from schools I had a 90+% chance at. Got into 3 schools ranked higher than both, and an interview from Chicago where I only have a 20 something percent chance at. Super weird

[Rigo]

I'm beginning to second guess if my safeties are even safeties anymore and I'm worried I'll have nothing to negotiate with.

[brinicolec]

I'm beginning to second guess if my safeties are even safeties anymore and I'm worried I'll have nothing to negotiate with.

I'm sure you'll be fine!

[S.Picquery]

I'm beginning to second guess if my safeties are even safeties anymore and I'm worried I'll have nothing to negotiate with.

I'm sure you'll be fine!

I feel this, though. i wish I'd applied more broadly, if only for negotiating $$. :/

[ashrice13]

I'm beginning to second guess if my safeties are even safeties anymore and I'm worried I'll have nothing to negotiate with.

I'm sure you'll be fine!

I feel this, though. i wish I'd applied more broadly, if only for negotiating $$. :/

I was just saying this yesterday. I had to apply locally so I didn't send in a lot of applications but I really should have applied to more lower T14 for negotiations.

You live and you learn.

[TexasENG]

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[RParadela]

Bringing this topic up again, but it seems to me that schools are waitlisting at a much higher frequency than normal this cycle. Anyone else feel the same or am I trying to explain away my own waitlists?

[Mr_Chukes]

Bringing this topic up again, but it seems to me that schools are waitlisting at a much higher frequency than normal this cycle. Anyone else feel the same or am I trying to explain away my own waitlists?

It may be a mix of both. I keep seeing a lot of people getting waitlisted though at schools that they had 80℅ chances of getting in.

[chargers21]

Bringing this topic up again, but it seems to me that schools are waitlisting at a much higher frequency than normal this cycle. Anyone else feel the same or am I trying to explain away my own waitlists?

It may be a mix of both. I keep seeing a lot of people getting waitlisted though at schools that they had 80℅ chances of getting in.

My 2 WL were at schools with 90%+ chances

[somedeadman]

I'm beginning to second guess if my safeties are even safeties anymore and I'm worried I'll have nothing to negotiate with.

This

[Mr_Chukes]

Bringing this topic up again, but it seems to me that schools are waitlisting at a much higher frequency than normal this cycle. Anyone else feel the same or am I trying to explain away my own waitlists?

It may be a mix of both. I keep seeing a lot of people getting waitlisted though at schools that they had 80℅ chances of getting in.

My 2 WL were at schools with 90%+ chances

Yeah I've been seeing this a lot. I actually got lucky that I got into my safeties. I got waitlisted at super reaches but I'm not holding my breath on getting in lol.

[somedeadman]

T14 sticker vs. WashU/USC with significant money is one hell of a decision to make....I also was waitlisted at most of the t14

[Mr_Chukes]

T14 sticker vs. WashU/USC with significant money is one hell of a decision to make....I also was waitlisted at most of the t14

What T14?

[somedeadman]

T14 sticker vs. WashU/USC with significant money is one hell of a decision to make....I also was waitlisted at most of the t14

What T14?

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[jb111]

Just want to add my voice to the piteous throngs of the many waitlisted.

In at Columbia, NYU, and getting waitlisted at pretty much every other T14. Was hoping to be able to negotiate, weigh various bundles of money + opportunity, etc... But just getting WL after WL.

Still haven't heard from H/Y/S and am hoping that the waitlists are because my chances are better than usual at the very top this year because of the drop in high LSATs (I'm a 178/3.6x splitter). But maybe that's just wistful thinking.

The other option is that I have horrific softs, a PS riddled with mistakes I can't see, or viciously undermining LORs. Or schools have suddenly decided (realized?) that they should care less about the LSAT.

I vacillate between irrationally hopeful and totally pessimistic about thirty times a day.

I would feel much better if I at least had a JS1 by now...

Is the best theory right now that the drop in top LSATs is actually hurting people with top LSATs throughout most of the T14, as they have decided to YP more aggressively and punt on LSAT in order to at least keep/raise their GPA medians? And that this should hopefully (eventually) bleed into having a better chance at H/Y/S?

[dasq5511]

Bringing this topic up again, but it seems to me that schools are waitlisting at a much higher frequency than normal this cycle. Anyone else feel the same or am I trying to explain away my own waitlists?

It may be a mix of both. I keep seeing a lot of people getting waitlisted though at schools that they had 80℅ chances of getting in.

My 2 WL were at schools with 90%+ chances

My 3 WLs were: Cornell (100% chance), Berkeley (75%), and Columbia (79%).

[Mr_Chukes]

Just want to add my voice to the piteous throngs of the many waitlisted.

In at Columbia, NYU, and getting waitlisted at pretty much every other T14. Was hoping to be able to negotiate, weigh various bundles of money + opportunity, etc... But just getting WL after WL.

Still haven't heard from H/Y/S and am hoping that the waitlists are because my chances are better than usual at the very top this year because of the drop in high LSATs (I'm a 178/3.6x splitter). But maybe that's just wistful thinking.

The other option is that I have horrific softs, a PS riddled with mistakes I can't see, or viciously undermining LORs. Or schools have suddenly decided (realized?) that they should care less about the LSAT.

I vacillate between irrationally hopeful and totally pessimistic about thirty times a day.

I would feel much better if I at least had a JS1 by now...

Is the best theory right now that the drop in top LSATs is actually hurting people with top LSATs throughout most of the T14, as they have decided to YP more aggressively and punt on LSAT in order to at least keep/raise their GPA medians? And that this should hopefully (eventually) bleed into having a better chance at H/Y/S?

Yeah they could assume you have better at better schools because your LSAT is great. It could be personal statement as well. My friend had better stats than me, he is also a URM. His personal statement talked about someone else and never really said anything about him. He is at Whittier now.

[RParadela]

I've flirted with the idea that my softs are just really bad, but it seems like people who have great softs are suffering the same fate I am.

The splitter thing could be a decent theory. It's possible that schools are taking a much tougher stance on splitters, but I'm not sure why they would do that.

[Nightwing]

I've flirted with the idea that my softs are just really bad, but it seems like people who have great softs are suffering the same fate I am.

The splitter thing could be a decent theory. It's possible that schools are taking a much tougher stance on splitters, but I'm not sure why they would do that.

I think it may just be YP across the board. This cycle's been full of WL decisions. They're WLs and not predominantly rejections for good reason, in my opinion. That reason being that these schools are still very interested in splitters (not like the LSAT can just be relegated to meaning little; it is still the only standardized part of the admissions process and is a crucial part of school rankings).

However, they seem afraid that splitters aren't interested enough in them (as opposed to <insert higher ranked school here> where a high LSAT is more likely to carry a person than just a high GPA). I'm thinking that their plan is to wait for HYS to get first pick at high-scoring splitters, then CCN, and then take an uncharacteristically high number of people off of the waitlists if they continue showing interest at that point.

Even if that does occur, however, it introduces a few problems for us applicants:

1) It provides relatively little time for us to plan our upcoming lives. It turns what should have been the relaxing and exciting final year/few months before law school into an anxious well of disappointment. We'll be scrambling to find housing and feel more pressured to just "settle" for whoever already accepted us.

2) Are they saving any scholarship money for us?

3) We won't have enough lucrative offers or time to negotiate as effectively as in past cycles.


TLDR: Even T14s are being insecure over the LSAT drops and we (splitters) are paying the price for it rather than being rewarded for our interest and high scores since schools are more worried about taking a chance on us (as opposed to reverse-splitters who are less likely to hit HYSCCN level and applicants with both high LSATs and high GPAs who are simply more desirable). Just thinking out loud here.

[PrezRand]

I fear this will happen again next cycle

[Rigo]

Do adcoms have the day off?

[Rigo]

My friend had better stats than me, he is also a URM. His personal statement talked about someone else and never really said anything about him. He is at Whittier now.

Fix it Jesus

[SmallK]

Do adcoms have the day off?

I spot-checked a few academic calendars -- it's all over the place who does and doesn't have the day off, but only HLS mentioned admin offices (they're off).

[jstans]

I'm beginning to second guess if my safeties are even safeties anymore and I'm worried I'll have nothing to negotiate with.

This

Came to this same realization yesterday and drafted a bunch of negotiation emails out of sheer panic.

[Rigo]

I thought about it and I'm gonna go hard on the negotiation. Since I'm willing to sit out the cycle at the end of the day, I can really play chicken.

I'm such a neverL at this point I may just sit out anyways.