Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[harmcharm]

I hate to be a downer, but it really looks like there's just going to be one final JS2 wave, and it'll be next week after all the JS1s are over. Since it didn't happen last week, at this point it's so close to the end of the month that it doesn't make much sense to do a JS2 wave this week and sweep up the rest in another next week. The only reason to do that would be if they need two days for the sheer amount of calls, but then they might as well just do the 29th and 30th or something.

...Of course, I'll still be here tomorrow in case the "exactly four weeks from the last one" theory turns out to be right.

[OnlyHumean]

It's crazy to think many of those with a js1 are probably already accepted but they just don't know about it yet because ad comm is waiting to do a JS2 wave.

It's not even just many, but it's most. That is what will make getting dinged at this point suck so much. Knowing that with a JS1 in hand your chances were ~75%.

Because the chance is so high, and because we've survived the ding waves so far, it's just super difficult not to have hope - which means it'll be even worse if it turns out it's a ding.


You're breaking us, Harvard. You're breaking us.

[calpolisci2016]

It's crazy to think many of those with a js1 are probably already accepted but they just don't know about it yet because ad comm is waiting to do a JS2 wave.

It's not even just many, but it's most. That is what will make getting dinged at this point suck so much. Knowing that with a JS1 in hand your chances were ~75%.

Because the chance is so high, and because we've survived the ding waves so far, it's just super difficult not to have hope - which means it'll be even worse if it turns out it's a ding.


You're breaking us, Harvard. You're breaking us.

My numbers aren't even HLS worthy so I'm just glad to have the opportunity. I'm not supposed to be here, so if I get dinged, then I'm not really that surprised/heartbroken.

But yeah, I get what you mean, it's hard to not indulge your wildest fantasies when you've got your hands on an exclusive lottery ticket with pretty good odds.

[Kinch08]

I hate to be a downer, but it really looks like there's just going to be one final JS2 wave, and it'll be next week after all the JS1s are over. Since it didn't happen last week, at this point it's so close to the end of the month that it doesn't make much sense to do a JS2 wave this week and sweep up the rest in another next week. The only reason to do that would be if they need two days for the sheer amount of calls, but then they might as well just do the 29th and 30th or something.

...Of course, I'll still be here tomorrow in case the "exactly four weeks from the last one" theory turns out to be right.

At this point, I'd honestly put money on one big final wave sometime next week. What do you really gain by having "two" separate waves within a week of each other? At that point, you might as well just make it a Thursday/Friday dual wave. The only reason I can think of to split it up would be to make it easier to actually fit all the calls in, and a two-day wave solves that problem.

Great minds, huh? I hope only one of us gets in, because if we're both JS2'd I'm going to get called into a Dean's office at some point for writing the same exam as you.

[chasima]

Does anyone else think that admissions doesn't determine the dates of JS2 waves all that far in advance? I have a feeling it depends on faculty schedules and length of discussions per applicant, so maybe that's why they aren't able to give us clearer dates for when we'll hear back--because they aren't sure themselves and the dates aren't set in stone?

[ad34964n]

It's crazy to think many of those with a js1 are probably already accepted but they just don't know about it yet because ad comm is waiting to do a JS2 wave.

It's not even just many, but it's most. That is what will make getting dinged at this point suck so much. Knowing that with a JS1 in hand your chances were ~75%.

Because the chance is so high, and because we've survived the ding waves so far, it's just super difficult not to have hope - which means it'll be even worse if it turns out it's a ding.


You're breaking us, Harvard. You're breaking us.

My numbers aren't even HLS worthy so I'm just glad to have the opportunity. I'm not supposed to be here, so if I get dinged, then I'm not really that surprised/heartbroken.

But yeah, I get what you mean, it's hard to not indulge your wildest fantasies when you've got your hands on an exclusive lottery ticket with pretty good odds.

well said

[WordsworthIsBae]

Does anyone else think that admissions doesn't determine the dates of JS2 waves all that far in advance? I have a feeling it depends on faculty schedules and length of discussions per applicant, so maybe that's why they aren't able to give us clearer dates for when we'll hear back--because they aren't sure themselves and the dates aren't set in stone?

This! It's reasonably likely that this is the case.

[Anon.y.mousse.]

I hate to be a downer, but it really looks like there's just going to be one final JS2 wave, and it'll be next week after all the JS1s are over. Since it didn't happen last week, at this point it's so close to the end of the month that it doesn't make much sense to do a JS2 wave this week and sweep up the rest in another next week. The only reason to do that would be if they need two days for the sheer amount of calls, but then they might as well just do the 29th and 30th or something.

...Of course, I'll still be here tomorrow in case the "exactly four weeks from the last one" theory turns out to be right.

At this point, I'd honestly put money on one big final wave sometime next week. What do you really gain by having "two" separate waves within a week of each other? At that point, you might as well just make it a Thursday/Friday dual wave. The only reason I can think of to split it up would be to make it easier to actually fit all the calls in, and a two-day wave solves that problem.

Great minds, huh? I hope only one of us gets in, because if we're both JS2'd I'm going to get called into a Dean's office at some point for writing the same exam as you.

[CHyde]

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[TudoBem]

Your application arrives for final review.
The professors were mixed on your background, but the program/clinic/class you mentioned piqued the interest of the professor who leads it. You squeak by, but just barely.
JS squints at the app. She looks to Tom, Anne, Nefyn, and Kelly for feedback.
“What do we think?”
They deliberate. They parse the strengths and weaknesses of your application. This process takes no more than a few minutes.
JS says, “I’m still not convinced.”
She looks to your interviewer.

Your interviewer says, “…”

*I wake up in cold sweat*

This is so freaking legit. I can see that.

[AllHailKingMao]

Your application arrives for final review.
The professors were mixed on your background, but the program/clinic/class you mentioned piqued the interest of the professor who leads it. You squeak by, but just barely.
JS squints at the app. She looks to Tom, Anne, Nefyn, and Kelly for feedback.
“What do we think?”
They deliberate. They parse the strengths and weaknesses of your application. This process takes no more than a few minutes.
JS says, “I’m still not convinced.”
She looks to your interviewer.

Your interviewer says, “…”

*I wake up in cold sweat*

This is so freaking legit. I can see that.

Serious question though-- how influential are professors in the admission process? If the head of the clinic wants you, what would that mean?

[Pozzo]

190 votes is enough for me.

NEW POLL

[HarvardHopeful95]

Does anyone who doesn't have a JS1 from Harvard have a shot at this point?

[CHyde]

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[anonperson2017]

190 votes is enough for me.

NEW POLL

You left no place for the optimists in this crowd

[BEng,MBA,FRM,JD(?)]

Your application arrives for final review.
The professors were mixed on your background, but the program/clinic/class you mentioned piqued the interest of the professor who leads it. You squeak by, but just barely.
JS squints at the app. She looks to Tom, Anne, Nefyn, and Kelly for feedback.
“What do we think?”
They deliberate. They parse the strengths and weaknesses of your application. This process takes no more than a few minutes.
JS says, “I’m still not convinced.”
She looks to your interviewer.

Your interviewer says, “…”

*I wake up in cold sweat*

This is so freaking legit. I can see that.

Serious question though-- how influential are professors in the admission process? If the head of the clinic wants you, what would that mean?

Apart from Yale, Cal and maybe one more school, the profs play zero role in admissions, afaik.

[Anon.y.mousse.]

Your application arrives for final review.
The professors were mixed on your background, but the program/clinic/class you mentioned piqued the interest of the professor who leads it. You squeak by, but just barely.
JS squints at the app. She looks to Tom, Anne, Nefyn, and Kelly for feedback.
“What do we think?”
They deliberate. They parse the strengths and weaknesses of your application. This process takes no more than a few minutes.
JS says, “I’m still not convinced.”
She looks to your interviewer.

Your interviewer says, “…”

*I wake up in cold sweat*

This is so freaking legit. I can see that.

Serious question though-- how influential are professors in the admission process? If the head of the clinic wants you, what would that mean?

Apart from Yale, Cal and maybe one more school, the profs play zero role in admissions, afaik.

http://hls.harvard.edu/inside-the-black ... s-process/

See step 4.

[CHyde]

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[calpolisci2016]

Your application arrives for final review.
The professors were mixed on your background, but the program/clinic/class you mentioned piqued the interest of the professor who leads it. You squeak by, but just barely.
JS squints at the app. She looks to Tom, Anne, Nefyn, and Kelly for feedback.
“What do we think?”
They deliberate. They parse the strengths and weaknesses of your application. This process takes no more than a few minutes.
JS says, “I’m still not convinced.”
She looks to your interviewer.

Your interviewer says, “…”

*I wake up in cold sweat*

This is so freaking legit. I can see that.

Serious question though-- how influential are professors in the admission process? If the head of the clinic wants you, what would that mean?

Apart from Yale, Cal and maybe one more school, the profs play zero role in admissions, afaik.

"Step 4: Faculty read

We are fortunate to have faculty members who care deeply about our students and volunteer their time to review applications. The same people who will be teaching and grading you have a say in your admissions decision. We only send files off to faculty for review after the interview stage so that they can see all of the information about you, including our interview notes.

No offer of admission is ever made to HLS without a faculty member signing off. The faculty read helps us to be confident that if you are admitted, you can thrive here."

See: http://hls.harvard.edu/inside-the-black ... s-process/

Do you know if only one faculty member reads your app (therefore your app only has one chance to pass faculty review) or are there multiple faculty members reviewing your app and you only need 1 out of X members to approve you?

[BEng,MBA,FRM,JD(?)]

Your application arrives for final review.
The professors were mixed on your background, but the program/clinic/class you mentioned piqued the interest of the professor who leads it. You squeak by, but just barely.
JS squints at the app. She looks to Tom, Anne, Nefyn, and Kelly for feedback.
“What do we think?”
They deliberate. They parse the strengths and weaknesses of your application. This process takes no more than a few minutes.
JS says, “I’m still not convinced.”
She looks to your interviewer.

Your interviewer says, “…”

*I wake up in cold sweat*

This is so freaking legit. I can see that.

Serious question though-- how influential are professors in the admission process? If the head of the clinic wants you, what would that mean?

Apart from Yale, Cal and maybe one more school, the profs play zero role in admissions, afaik.

"Step 4: Faculty read

We are fortunate to have faculty members who care deeply about our students and volunteer their time to review applications. The same people who will be teaching and grading you have a say in your admissions decision. We only send files off to faculty for review after the interview stage so that they can see all of the information about you, including our interview notes.

No offer of admission is ever made to HLS without a faculty member signing off. The faculty read helps us to be confident that if you are admitted, you can thrive here."

See: http://hls.harvard.edu/inside-the-black ... s-process/

I see. Sorry about that. I stand corrected and more knowledgeable! Didn't mean to spread misinformation Good luck to all.

[CHyde]

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[CHyde]

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[anonperson2017]

"Step 4: Faculty read

We are fortunate to have faculty members who care deeply about our students and volunteer their time to review applications. The same people who will be teaching and grading you have a say in your admissions decision. We only send files off to faculty for review after the interview stage so that they can see all of the information about you, including our interview notes.

No offer of admission is ever made to HLS without a faculty member signing off. The faculty read helps us to be confident that if you are admitted, you can thrive here."

See: http://hls.harvard.edu/inside-the-black ... s-process/

Personally, I assume this to be more of just a final stamp of approval. That is, the admissions committee probably still selects and recommends the candidates for admission and only passes along to faculty people they already are yes on, and a faculty member simply confirms. If so, it's probably rare for faculty to decline to sign off on someone the admissions team already endorsed.

[chasima]

Your application arrives for final review.
The professors were mixed on your background, but the program/clinic/class you mentioned piqued the interest of the professor who leads it. You squeak by, but just barely.
JS squints at the app. She looks to Tom, Anne, Nefyn, and Kelly for feedback.
“What do we think?”
They deliberate. They parse the strengths and weaknesses of your application. This process takes no more than a few minutes.
JS says, “I’m still not convinced.”
She looks to your interviewer.

Your interviewer says, “…”

*I wake up in cold sweat*

This is so freaking legit. I can see that.

Serious question though-- how influential are professors in the admission process? If the head of the clinic wants you, what would that mean?

Apart from Yale, Cal and maybe one more school, the profs play zero role in admissions, afaik.

"Step 4: Faculty read

We are fortunate to have faculty members who care deeply about our students and volunteer their time to review applications. The same people who will be teaching and grading you have a say in your admissions decision. We only send files off to faculty for review after the interview stage so that they can see all of the information about you, including our interview notes.

No offer of admission is ever made to HLS without a faculty member signing off. The faculty read helps us to be confident that if you are admitted, you can thrive here."

See: http://hls.harvard.edu/inside-the-black ... s-process/

Do you know if only one faculty member reads your app (therefore your app only has one chance to pass faculty review) or are there multiple faculty members reviewing your app and you only need 1 out of X members to approve you?

No clue, but I think this is a fair question to call admissions office with. Nose goes.

I agree. I asked questions about the faculty review/admissions process during my interview and they seem pretty transparent.

[KateMcKitten]

190 votes is enough for me.

NEW POLL

You left no place for the optimists in this crowd

Yeah! I need to express my unbridled and unfounded optimism!