University of Texas c/o 2019 Applicants (2015-2016) Forum

[FairchildFLT]

Checking in. I deferred my acceptance from last year.

[basedvulpes]

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[20171203]

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[Attax]

Just want to put it out there, I know no one who ED'd in my class who got scholarship on top of the stipend. I would not ED. If you are going to get in ED, you'll get in RD. If you have competitive numbers, don't close yourself out of negotiations.

I think it says (or at least last time I checked) that if you ED then you are accepting the financial incentives and will not be considered for any other scholarship...unless they changed up their information sections (I know they adjusted their website).
edit: just checked. It says, "Early Decision students will not receive additional merit-scholarship consideration, but will remain eligible for need-based financial aid."

The financial incentive is often not worth it. Most of the time you'll get more via scholarship.

[lymenheimer]

The financial incentive is often not worth it. Most of the time you'll get more via scholarship.

Precisely.

[Widdle_Dumpling]

Checking in! Austin resident. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

[BrazilBandit]

Checking in! Austin resident, though I've gone to undergrad in Tennessee. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

The T-14 are the only schools who ever (at one point in time) ranked in the top 10 USNWR, and therefore still carry some extra prestige with employers (Also have a National reach). Even though Gtown is a T14 it is not MUCH better than UT or Vandy. The quality of employment outcome from Cornell to schools ranked below it is quite significant though.

[rnoodles]

Checking in! Austin resident, though I've gone to undergrad in Tennessee. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

The T-14 are the only schools who ever (at one point in time) ranked in the top 10 USNWR, and therefore still carry some extra prestige with employers (Also have a National reach). Even though Gtown is a T14 it is not MUCH better than UT or Vandy. The quality of employment outcome from Cornell to schools ranked below it is quite significant though.

Also, I may not be right about this because I heard it from an iffy source, but it's because they are the only schools to never drop out of the T14 at any point in the rankings.

[BrazilBandit]

Checking in! Austin resident, though I've gone to undergrad in Tennessee. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

The T-14 are the only schools who ever (at one point in time) ranked in the top 10 USNWR, and therefore still carry some extra prestige with employers (Also have a National reach). Even though Gtown is a T14 it is not MUCH better than UT or Vandy. The quality of employment outcome from Cornell to schools ranked below it is quite significant though.

Also, I may not be right about this because I heard it from an iffy source, but it's because they are the only schools to never drop out of the T14 at any point in the rankings.

That could be too... the important thing is that being ranked in the first 14 stops doesn't mean shit if you're not already one of those schools. Let's say that UT ranks 14th next year, it won't all of a sudden be a T14 and gain a ton of prestige...

[rnoodles]

Checking in! Austin resident, though I've gone to undergrad in Tennessee. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

The T-14 are the only schools who ever (at one point in time) ranked in the top 10 USNWR, and therefore still carry some extra prestige with employers (Also have a National reach). Even though Gtown is a T14 it is not MUCH better than UT or Vandy. The quality of employment outcome from Cornell to schools ranked below it is quite significant though.

Also, I may not be right about this because I heard it from an iffy source, but it's because they are the only schools to never drop out of the T14 at any point in the rankings.

That could be too... the important thing is that being ranked in the first 14 stops doesn't mean shit if you're not already one of those schools. Let's say that UT ranks 14th next year, it won't all of a sudden be a T14 and gain a ton of prestige...

^ This is, unfortunately, true.

[Petrichor]

wasn't planning on applying but they sent me a fee wavier, not sure why since i am OOS and have meh stats.

[PatriotP74]

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[Petrichor]

wasn't planning on applying but they sent me a fee wavier, not sure why since i am OOS and have meh stats.

Mind sharing your numbers?

GPA<25%, LSAT>75%

and looking at the graph posted in 1st post, pretty much everyone with a 170 but GPA<25% got rejected while the ones with 169 fared much better

[Attax]

wasn't planning on applying but they sent me a fee wavier, not sure why since i am OOS and have meh stats.

Mind sharing your numbers?

GPA<25%, LSAT>75%

and looking at the graph posted in 1st post, pretty much everyone with a 170 but GPA<25% got rejected while the ones with 169 fared much better

I was c/o 2017. Probably one of the worst GPAs in the class. 168. Got in.

I think splitter + resident > splitter +nonresident

[Mrs Featherbottom]

Checking in! Austin resident, though I've gone to undergrad in Tennessee. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

The T-14 are the only schools who ever (at one point in time) ranked in the top 10 USNWR, and therefore still carry some extra prestige with employers (Also have a National reach). Even though Gtown is a T14 it is not MUCH better than UT or Vandy. The quality of employment outcome from Cornell to schools ranked below it is quite significant though.

Also, I may not be right about this because I heard it from an iffy source, but it's because they are the only schools to never drop out of the T14 at any point in the rankings.

That could be too... the important thing is that being ranked in the first 14 stops doesn't mean shit if you're not already one of those schools. Let's say that UT ranks 14th next year, it won't all of a sudden be a T14 and gain a ton of prestige...

Have the T14 always been consecutively ranked? What happens if Texas passes one of them, bumping a T14 back to #15. Would they become the T13+1?

I can't tell how stupid of a question this is.

[rnoodles]

Checking in! Austin resident, though I've gone to undergrad in Tennessee. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

The T-14 are the only schools who ever (at one point in time) ranked in the top 10 USNWR, and therefore still carry some extra prestige with employers (Also have a National reach). Even though Gtown is a T14 it is not MUCH better than UT or Vandy. The quality of employment outcome from Cornell to schools ranked below it is quite significant though.

Also, I may not be right about this because I heard it from an iffy source, but it's because they are the only schools to never drop out of the T14 at any point in the rankings.

That could be too... the important thing is that being ranked in the first 14 stops doesn't mean shit if you're not already one of those schools. Let's say that UT ranks 14th next year, it won't all of a sudden be a T14 and gain a ton of prestige...

Have the T14 always been consecutively ranked? What happens if Texas passes one of them, bumping a T14 back to #15. Would they become the T13+1?

I can't tell how stupid of a question this is.

Not stupid. Totally reasonable.

I think Texas was tied with Gtown for #14 a couple years back? There's also a lot of ties between some schools within the T14, and certain schools (like Michigan, unfortunately) drop over the years while others stay where they are or increase occasionally. From when I started paying attention, I'd say Duke has made the biggest strides in rankings. Then again, I've only paid attention for like 2 years haha

[BrazilBandit]

Checking in! Austin resident, though I've gone to undergrad in Tennessee. I guess if anyone's curious about the town/culture they can ask--personally, Austin is my favorite city in America.
Out of curiosity, why is the T-14 such a big deal? (As opposed to the top 15 or top 20, which seem like less random numbers.) Is there some sort of big drop in quality from Georgetown to UT?

The T-14 are the only schools who ever (at one point in time) ranked in the top 10 USNWR, and therefore still carry some extra prestige with employers (Also have a National reach). Even though Gtown is a T14 it is not MUCH better than UT or Vandy. The quality of employment outcome from Cornell to schools ranked below it is quite significant though.

Also, I may not be right about this because I heard it from an iffy source, but it's because they are the only schools to never drop out of the T14 at any point in the rankings.

That could be too... the important thing is that being ranked in the first 14 stops doesn't mean shit if you're not already one of those schools. Let's say that UT ranks 14th next year, it won't all of a sudden be a T14 and gain a ton of prestige...

Have the T14 always been consecutively ranked? What happens if Texas passes one of them, bumping a T14 back to #15. Would they become the T13+1?

I can't tell how stupid of a question this is.

Lol not stupid at all. None of them has ever left the T14, but Texas and Gtown were tied for 14th once. The main reason the denomination T14 exists is that it's easier to refer to all those schools that have higher prestige and national reach as "T14" then, let's say, "YHSCCNPBDVMNCG."

Regarding T13, many people will already call it that, since Gtown is really starting to fall behind Cornell and all others in terms of BigLaw and FedClerk employment.

[BigZuck]

I wouldn't get too caught up in specific numbers.

It's an oversimplification but basically "The T14" are the elite, national schools with the best job placement. Then there is everyone else.

UT is as strong of a regional school as you can find and (like quite a few other places) has pretty good national placement for the kids at the top of the class. But even if next year UT "became a T14" again because it is numerically ranked 14 or better, it wouldn't really be a T14 in the way that T14 schools are special.

[cannibal ox]

I think all of the T14 schools have been in the T10 at one point or another, but I also think the schools in the T14 predate the rankings as being the schools with the best placement.

[Attax]

Just attend UT and do the annoying 1L shtick of referring to things as the T15.

[gaboon13]

Interested to see how this cycle and the future of UT admissions go since Dean Ingram moved to Cornell.

ED does not carry a boost at UT, so no point in applying ED unless you would likely get in RD w/o scholly. If you have a chance at a scholly, I would apply RD and ask them to reconsider based on offers from other schools (though I have heard that it only works minimally since it is Texas).
Out of state application is more of a competition than in state (due to matriculation quota) so lower numbers from out of state are likely a deny.

Where did you find the information that ED doesn't carry a boost at UTexas? It tends to at other schools, so I was curious.

[Billy Madison]

Interested to see how this cycle and the future of UT admissions go since Dean Ingram moved to Cornell.

ED does not carry a boost at UT, so no point in applying ED unless you would likely get in RD w/o scholly. If you have a chance at a scholly, I would apply RD and ask them to reconsider based on offers from other schools (though I have heard that it only works minimally since it is Texas).
Out of state application is more of a competition than in state (due to matriculation quota) so lower numbers from out of state are likely a deny.

Where did you find the information that ED doesn't carry a boost at UTexas? It tends to at other schools, so I was curious.

http://admissionsbythenumbers.blogspot. ... ition.html

[lymenheimer]

Interested to see how this cycle and the future of UT admissions go since Dean Ingram moved to Cornell.

ED does not carry a boost at UT, so no point in applying ED unless you would likely get in RD w/o scholly. If you have a chance at a scholly, I would apply RD and ask them to reconsider based on offers from other schools (though I have heard that it only works minimally since it is Texas).
Out of state application is more of a competition than in state (due to matriculation quota) so lower numbers from out of state are likely a deny.

Where did you find the information that ED doesn't carry a boost at UTexas? It tends to at other schools, so I was curious.

http://admissionsbythenumbers.blogspot. ... ition.html

The above link is credited...but also this:

I spoke with the dean

[ScottRiqui]

I think all of the T14 schools have been in the T10 at one point or another, but I also think the schools in the T14 predate the rankings as being the schools with the best placement.

This is my thought, too - I haven't looked at the chart for a while, but if you look at what percentage of a school's class gets either biglaw or an Article III clerkship upon graduation (what are often considered the traditional "desirable outcomes"), there's a pretty big falloff once you get below the T14.

These are three-year rolling averages, posted about 18 months ago; I don't know if anything's changed since:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=222862

[BrazilBandit]

New numbers are out

https://law.utexas.edu/admissions/quick-facts/

LSAT: 162 (-1)/167 (same)/169 (+1)
GPA: 3.48 (+.05)/3.73 (+.05)/3.86 (+.04)

Class size 265
47% Women
36% minorities