WUSTL c/o 2018 Applicants Forum

[PeanutsNJam]

Having already done a budget backpacking trip through EU, I have a cruise to Japan planned (ticket purchased), and tentative plans for a Thailand trip. Lots of good eats, gym, playing in the sun.

That said, I'm nibbling on some E&E's at a snail's pace, just to familiarize myself with the jargon (really, most my time is spent on Wiki looking up werdz and things) and general writing style of law books, so when I have to read them for real I can do it quickly and efficiently without having to context-clue any words.

It's 30 min/day casual reading, I really don't think it can hurt.

[chuckbass]

It won't hurt but you're wasting 30 minutes/day.

[Jmart082]

It won't hurt but you're wasting 30 minutes/day.

#GUNNERGONNAGUN

[PourMeTea]

e&es are p much unilaterally the crappiest and least in depth supplements

[chingwoo]

e&es are p much unilaterally the crappiest and least in depth supplements

Shh I need to sell mine.

[Jmart082]

e&es are p much unilaterally the crappiest and least in depth supplements

THIS

[chuckbass]

e&es are p much unilaterally the crappiest and least in depth supplements

THIS

Meh it was good for civ pro.

[Jmart082]

e&es are p much unilaterally the crappiest and least in depth supplements

THIS

Meh it was good for civ pro.

I'm something of a cynic when it comes to the topic of the efficacy of commercially prepared supplements. But then again, I'm also a cynic in the general sense. They could prove helpful should your professor decide to base his exam off of questions presented in said materials, doe.

[chuckbass]

e&es are p much unilaterally the crappiest and least in depth supplements

THIS

Meh it was good for civ pro.

I'm something of a cynic when it comes to the topic of the efficacy of commercially prepared supplements. But then again, I'm also a cynic in the general sense. They could prove helpful should your professor decide to base his exam off of questions presented in said materials, doe.

I mean I think civ pro is a class that's the least dependent on your prof since it's just straight up rules. The E&E examples were really helpful and useful and all stuff that anyone would be tested on.

[landshoes]

the thing is that relatively high-quality pedagogical research indicates that familiarity with a topic helps people learn. Even if they don't get it right the first time or don't get all the detail. Having seen words before, having seen the topics discussed before--all of these things facilitate learning. That's why we have science class in 3rd grade even though they can't understand RNA.

In other words, I don't think it's necessarily a waste of time just because it's not perfect or the best supplement or whatever. Just becoming more familiar with what the material is and more comfortable with the vocab will facilitate learning. In that sense, reading casually and looking up new words is probably the best strategy to use--not hardcore memorization, just familiarity, low-stress--that's what you want when you're previewing a course.

(0L but have destroyed a number of difficult and memorization-heavy courses, and I always always always pre-read)

[chuckbass]

the thing is that relatively high-quality pedagogical research indicates that familiarity with a topic helps people learn. Even if they don't get it right the first time or don't get all the detail. Having seen words before, having seen the topics discussed before--all of these things facilitate learning. That's why we have science class in 3rd grade even though they can't understand RNA.

In other words, I don't think it's necessarily a waste of time just because it's not perfect or the best supplement or whatever. Just becoming more familiar with what the material is and more comfortable with the vocab will facilitate learning. In that sense, reading casually and looking up new words is probably the best strategy to use--not hardcore memorization, just familiarity, low-stress--that's what you want when you're previewing a course.

(0L but have destroyed a number of difficult and memorization-heavy courses, and I always always always pre-read)

This is lovely but we also all have experience being law students and I can tell you it won't do shit. HTH.

[legit]

For the students who read Getting to Maybe, did you refer to it during the term as Paul suggests?

[LET'S GET IT]

the thing is that relatively high-quality pedagogical research indicates that familiarity with a topic helps people learn. Even if they don't get it right the first time or don't get all the detail. Having seen words before, having seen the topics discussed before--all of these things facilitate learning. That's why we have science class in 3rd grade even though they can't understand RNA.

In other words, I don't think it's necessarily a waste of time just because it's not perfect or the best supplement or whatever. Just becoming more familiar with what the material is and more comfortable with the vocab will facilitate learning. In that sense, reading casually and looking up new words is probably the best strategy to use--not hardcore memorization, just familiarity, low-stress--that's what you want when you're previewing a course.

(0L but have destroyed a number of difficult and memorization-heavy courses, and I always always always pre-read)

This is lovely but we also all have experience being law students and I can tell you it won't do shit. HTH.

This is credited. It may give you an edge the first month, knowing the lingo and what not, but 1L is all about exams and by the time exams role around, everyone will know the lingo. I'm honestly not trying to be rude here, but you haven't been through 1L and we have. You are wasting your time. At best it will make you feel smart if you get cold called early, which is completely inconsequential.

[landshoes]

idk that it's actually possible to know whether it would have made a difference based on anecdotal experience. but this is sort of a played out discussion on TLS so I'll move on

[PourMeTea]

For the students who read Getting to Maybe, did you refer to it during the term as Paul suggests?

Yeah. Side note, someone who has 2 CALIs under their belt brought GTM and literally nothing else to open note finals so you know it's good

[LET'S GET IT]

idk that it's actually possible to know whether it would have made a difference based on anecdotal experience. but this is sort of a played out discussion on TLS so I'll move on

You should have been in our class. You would have fit right in.

[valen]

I'm not sure why people want to pre-read so badly. I literally did an," awww yisssssss!" at all the comments saying pre-reading was useless. I don't want to read. At this point I am avoiding all school things until school actually starts (other than reading GTM sometime this month).

[chuckbass]

I'm not sure why people want to pre-read so badly. I literally did an," awww yisssssss!" at all the comments saying pre-reading was useless. I don't want to read. At this point I am avoiding all school things until school actually starts (other than reading GTM sometime this month).

See this is what you should be doing. This is the last free summer of your life so you should enjoy it. And honestly if you've spent enough time on TLS you don't even need to read GTM. I never read it since I had read through enough of the advice on TLS and if you do that it's unnecessary.

[chuckbass]

idk that it's actually possible to know whether it would have made a difference based on anecdotal experience. but this is sort of a played out discussion on TLS so I'll move on

In December post your grades and let's compare.

[ek5dn]

Anyone get this email? Subject: An Exclusive Invitation from Howard Cayne, Partner, Arnold & Porter LLP

Anyone going?

[Fiero85]

idk that it's actually possible to know whether it would have made a difference based on anecdotal experience. but this is sort of a played out discussion on TLS so I'll move on

In December post your grades and let's compare.

(Claws are out)

Bottom line, people: A man's gotta do what he thinks is right. If, after consulting with various successful law students who approached this issue differently and recommend different things, just do what you think is best for you. I agree with Scott in thinking that 0L prep might be useless, but if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out. Short of burn out risk and wasted time, there's not a lot on the line.

[Jmart082]

idk that it's actually possible to know whether it would have made a difference based on anecdotal experience. but this is sort of a played out discussion on TLS so I'll move on

In December post your grades and let's compare.

AND THE REF TAKES A POINT AWAY

[Jmart082]

idk that it's actually possible to know whether it would have made a difference based on anecdotal experience. but this is sort of a played out discussion on TLS so I'll move on

You should have been in our class. You would have fit right in.

+1...bless their gentle souls.

[LET'S GET IT]

idk that it's actually possible to know whether it would have made a difference based on anecdotal experience. but this is sort of a played out discussion on TLS so I'll move on

In December post your grades and let's compare.

(Claws are out)

Bottom line, people: A man's gotta do what he thinks is right. If, after consulting with various successful law students who approached this issue differently and recommend different things, just do what you think is best for you. I agree with Scott in thinking that 0L prep might be useless, but if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out. Short of burn out risk and wasted time, there's not a lot on the line.

Why it gotta be a man? That's sexist, bro.

this is a joke

Also burnout is a real thing. That's why I'm against 0L prep. But I have a friend who swears by it and did really well, so like Fiero said, to each their own.

[Birdnals]

0L prep is stupid, will not help you, and runs the very real risk of fucking you over if by some chance in your finals fried brain you write something from the suppliment you read which the professor disagrees with or taught differently.


If you want to at best waste your time and very possibly fuck yourself before law school even starts, go ahead and ignore the advice of literally everyone who has been through a semester or more of law school, be my guest.