Harvard C/O 2019 Applicants Forum

[hopefulmarie93]

People who follow this closely and have studied previous year cycles etc - what do you think are the chances of JS1s for people who applied late in the cycle?

Pre-WL JS1s are likely done now based on last years cycle. However, each year is different, so that can obviously change. For instance, there are 100+ JS1 slots open right now on April 4-7. Whether these are pre-WL or post-WL I don't know.

That sounds like they are not giving out that many JS2s before April 1.

Could you explain this? How do the number of JS1 slots affect whether or not there's going to be less/more JS2s before April 1?

[gobears!!]

Happy six month anniversary complete date. It's been REAL.

Getting one of those 100+ spots would be the best gift. I didn't get you anything though.

[pterodactyls]

Speaking of gifts, Karen told a funny story during the Spivey waitlist webinar about an applicant who ordered four large pizzas to the admissions office one time.

[gobears!!]

Speaking of gifts, Karen told a funny story during the Spivey waitlist webinar about an applicant who ordered four large pizzas to the admissions office one time.

Rookie mistake. Everyone knows you buy five pizzas and a side of wings.

[GrapesOfLaugh]

People who follow this closely and have studied previous year cycles etc - what do you think are the chances of JS1s for people who applied late in the cycle?

Pre-WL JS1s are likely done now based on last years cycle. However, each year is different, so that can obviously change. For instance, there are 100+ JS1 slots open right now on April 4-7. Whether these are pre-WL or post-WL I don't know.

That sounds like they are not giving out that many JS2s before April 1.

Could you explain this? How do the number of JS1 slots affect whether or not there's going to be less/more JS2s before April 1?

I'm going to give some optimistic speculation. I think those of us who have already interviewed should expect to hear back late next week. Since I got my JS1 the day before this last JS2 wave, we should expect that these next slots will go out around the same time JS2 calls are flying. I think they'll want to get the acceptances they have out ASAP to increase the chance those people can go to an ASW (and not go to their rival schools visit weekends). As to whether or not the next JS1s are pre or post WL is anyone's guess but at the very least those who get them will likely hear the final word on their statu mere days before their schools' decision deadlines.

[-lemonlyman-]

People who follow this closely and have studied previous year cycles etc - what do you think are the chances of JS1s for people who applied late in the cycle?

Pre-WL JS1s are likely done now based on last years cycle. However, each year is different, so that can obviously change. For instance, there are 100+ JS1 slots open right now on April 4-7. Whether these are pre-WL or post-WL I don't know.

That sounds like they are not giving out that many JS2s before April 1.

Could you explain this? How do the number of JS1 slots affect whether or not there's going to be less/more JS2s before April 1?

Honestly, I don't think we can read too much into anything at this point - all we can do is conjecture based on the little information we have. One user has said the available interview slots are changing quite a bit.

What I think the quote above is saying is that 100 spots (one user said closer to 50? Haven't been able to check myself) seems like a pretty high number for what are most likely wait-list interview slots (we are assuming a big JS2 wave will go out right at the end of the month / before Apr. 1 like last cycle). So, if that is true, there may be a lot of slots they will have left open, so they will interview more people from the waitlist to fill the spots, rather than filling the majority of those slots with current JS2 waiters.

Again, I think all the speculation in this thread should really be taken with a grain of salt. All us anxious waiters can really do is kill time until we hope for a JS2 likely next week, but that is nerve racking because each day until then has usually had a ding or waitlist wave based on last year's cycle. Thus any new information we get is over analyzed as we try to make sense of this process. It can be good to have some discussion and hear other's thoughts, but I think it is important to remember nobody here (that we know of) is at the table at HLS admissions and actually knows what will happen, so any conjecture should really not be taken so seriously.

Anyway, to basically ignore my advice above and continue the conjecture: does anyone know how many WL interviews seem to have been given out usually? The spreadsheet from last year does not seem to have much information in that regard.

[kennethparcell]

Those who got them-- how many days before the first timeslot did you receive your JS1?

[dooritos23]

Those who got them-- how many days before the first timeslot did you receive your JS1?

I think mine was like 2 or 3 weeks prior.

[lemonparty]

Those who got them-- how many days before the first timeslot did you receive your JS1?

I got the invite on a Monday and interviewed that Wednesday, so only 2 days

[sisyphus]

Those who got them-- how many days before the first timeslot did you receive your JS1?

I got an interview request (3/8) a day before the first available timeslot. I imagine the later in the application cycle, the fewer the days between the request and the interview availabilities... this is, of course, speculation.

[Hamburglar]

People who follow this closely and have studied previous year cycles etc - what do you think are the chances of JS1s for people who applied late in the cycle?

Pre-WL JS1s are likely done now based on last years cycle. However, each year is different, so that can obviously change. For instance, there are 100+ JS1 slots open right now on April 4-7. Whether these are pre-WL or post-WL I don't know.

That sounds like they are not giving out that many JS2s before April 1.

Could you explain this? How do the number of JS1 slots affect whether or not there's going to be less/more JS2s before April 1?

As has been pointed out, I have no more info than anyone else on TLS and as a JS2 waiter I'm also extremely stressed, so this is just (hopefully highly unreliable) speculation. Basically my train of thought was this: We were told that first decisions are coming out before Apr 1. Based on last year's timeline, I (and I suspect many others here) assumed that this JS2 wave was going to fill all the remaining spots. Now if there are indeed 100+ JS1 spots already open and in early April, then it certainly seems that the admissions staff are already anticipating unfilled spots in the class. So, before today, I was expecting ~400+ JS2s (the fb group has 400+ and there are 900+ offers in total, correct me if I'm wrong) before April 1, and now I am expecting fewer.

Another user very smartly asked about the number and timeline of WL JS1s. I think that information would really, really help with our rampant, blind speculation, but it doesn't seem like there's much in the spreadsheets at least.

[yiyiyaya0627]

Dear JS2 waiters, I hope all of us can maintain a peaceful mind while we are waiting here. Also I just found out that all the JS1 slots in April have disappeared...

[Topszn]

Dear JS2 waiters, I hope all of us can maintain a peaceful mind while we are waiting here. Also I just found out that all the JS1 slots in April have disappeared...

+1. All disappeared on mine as well. CONSPIRACY

[dooritos23]

Harvard pls

[MixtapeFellThrough]

Honestly, I don't think we can read too much into anything at this point - all we can do is conjecture based on the little information we have. One user has said the available interview slots are changing quite a bit.

What I think the quote above is saying is that 100 spots (one user said closer to 50? Haven't been able to check myself) seems like a pretty high number for what are most likely wait-list interview slots (we are assuming a big JS2 wave will go out right at the end of the month / before Apr. 1 like last cycle). So, if that is true, there may be a lot of slots they will have left open, so they will interview more people from the waitlist to fill the spots, rather than filling the majority of those slots with current JS2 waiters.

Again, I think all the speculation in this thread should really be taken with a grain of salt. All us anxious waiters can really do is kill time until we hope for a JS2 likely next week, but that is nerve racking because each day until then has usually had a ding or waitlist wave based on last year's cycle. Thus any new information we get is over analyzed as we try to make sense of this process. It can be good to have some discussion and hear other's thoughts, but I think it is important to remember nobody here (that we know of) is at the table at HLS admissions and actually knows what will happen, so any conjecture should really not be taken so seriously.

Anyway, to basically ignore my advice above and continue the conjecture: does anyone know how many WL interviews seem to have been given out usually? The spreadsheet from last year does not seem to have much information in that regard.

Can we be sure that these slots (though they've disappeared) were meant for people on a WL? There haven't (to my knowledge) been any WL waves, so given the April 4-7 timing of the new (now gone) JS1 slots, they'd have to give out JS1 requests by April 1 at the latest, meaning they'd have a week from today to send out JS2s, WLs, and new JS1s to the people they put on a WL a few days prior.

Then again, I fully admit that I have no idea what's going on and am really just offering baseless speculation to kill time. I'm personally taking each/every new development as a bad sign.

[MajinBuu]

Honestly, I don't think we can read too much into anything at this point - all we can do is conjecture based on the little information we have. One user has said the available interview slots are changing quite a bit.

What I think the quote above is saying is that 100 spots (one user said closer to 50? Haven't been able to check myself) seems like a pretty high number for what are most likely wait-list interview slots (we are assuming a big JS2 wave will go out right at the end of the month / before Apr. 1 like last cycle). So, if that is true, there may be a lot of slots they will have left open, so they will interview more people from the waitlist to fill the spots, rather than filling the majority of those slots with current JS2 waiters.

Again, I think all the speculation in this thread should really be taken with a grain of salt. All us anxious waiters can really do is kill time until we hope for a JS2 likely next week, but that is nerve racking because each day until then has usually had a ding or waitlist wave based on last year's cycle. Thus any new information we get is over analyzed as we try to make sense of this process. It can be good to have some discussion and hear other's thoughts, but I think it is important to remember nobody here (that we know of) is at the table at HLS admissions and actually knows what will happen, so any conjecture should really not be taken so seriously.

Anyway, to basically ignore my advice above and continue the conjecture: does anyone know how many WL interviews seem to have been given out usually? The spreadsheet from last year does not seem to have much information in that regard.

Can we be sure that these slots (though they've disappeared) were meant for people on a WL? There haven't (to my knowledge) been any WL waves, so given the April 4-7 timing of the new (now gone) JS1 slots, they'd have to give out JS1 requests by April 1 at the latest, meaning they'd have a week from today to send out JS2s, WLs, and new JS1s to the people they put on a WL a few days prior.

Then again, I fully admit that I have no idea what's going on and am really just offering baseless speculation to kill time. I'm personally taking each/every new development as a bad sign.

From having read through the last 3 or 4 years HLS admissions threads it seems that the first WL JS1s typically go out in early May sometime after their seat deposit deadline.

[-lemonlyman-]

Honestly, I don't think we can read too much into anything at this point - all we can do is conjecture based on the little information we have. One user has said the available interview slots are changing quite a bit.

What I think the quote above is saying is that 100 spots (one user said closer to 50? Haven't been able to check myself) seems like a pretty high number for what are most likely wait-list interview slots (we are assuming a big JS2 wave will go out right at the end of the month / before Apr. 1 like last cycle). So, if that is true, there may be a lot of slots they will have left open, so they will interview more people from the waitlist to fill the spots, rather than filling the majority of those slots with current JS2 waiters.

Again, I think all the speculation in this thread should really be taken with a grain of salt. All us anxious waiters can really do is kill time until we hope for a JS2 likely next week, but that is nerve racking because each day until then has usually had a ding or waitlist wave based on last year's cycle. Thus any new information we get is over analyzed as we try to make sense of this process. It can be good to have some discussion and hear other's thoughts, but I think it is important to remember nobody here (that we know of) is at the table at HLS admissions and actually knows what will happen, so any conjecture should really not be taken so seriously.

Anyway, to basically ignore my advice above and continue the conjecture: does anyone know how many WL interviews seem to have been given out usually? The spreadsheet from last year does not seem to have much information in that regard.

Can we be sure that these slots (though they've disappeared) were meant for people on a WL? There haven't (to my knowledge) been any WL waves, so given the April 4-7 timing of the new (now gone) JS1 slots, they'd have to give out JS1 requests by April 1 at the latest, meaning they'd have a week from today to send out JS2s, WLs, and new JS1s to the people they put on a WL a few days prior.

Then again, I fully admit that I have no idea what's going on and am really just offering baseless speculation to kill time. I'm personally taking each/every new development as a bad sign.

No, we don't know for sure, I don't think we know anything for sure at this point lol. Like you said though this is just a good way to kill time and distract from this wait by analyzing any information we have.

What I was basing the bold part on was that some people earlier in the thread said that during their JS1 they asked when they could expect a decision, and all of them seemed to get the response that they were trying to get initial decisions (I would guess this would include waitlist) out by April 1. So, I would think any JS1s after that would be coming off a waitlist.

It does seem like quite a lot of information to get out in a short time frame, but based on last cycle's numbers (the spreadsheet is a bit bare, so I'm going based on LSN - http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/app ... t=decision ; make sure to start at pg. 2 of this, it seems some people from this cycle have added their information to last year's). So, based on this it looks like there was a pretty big wave lasting a few days of waitlists and rejections, followed by a big wave of JS2s on the 30th-31st.

[dooritos23]

Honestly, I don't think we can read too much into anything at this point - all we can do is conjecture based on the little information we have. One user has said the available interview slots are changing quite a bit.

What I think the quote above is saying is that 100 spots (one user said closer to 50? Haven't been able to check myself) seems like a pretty high number for what are most likely wait-list interview slots (we are assuming a big JS2 wave will go out right at the end of the month / before Apr. 1 like last cycle). So, if that is true, there may be a lot of slots they will have left open, so they will interview more people from the waitlist to fill the spots, rather than filling the majority of those slots with current JS2 waiters.

Again, I think all the speculation in this thread should really be taken with a grain of salt. All us anxious waiters can really do is kill time until we hope for a JS2 likely next week, but that is nerve racking because each day until then has usually had a ding or waitlist wave based on last year's cycle. Thus any new information we get is over analyzed as we try to make sense of this process. It can be good to have some discussion and hear other's thoughts, but I think it is important to remember nobody here (that we know of) is at the table at HLS admissions and actually knows what will happen, so any conjecture should really not be taken so seriously.

Anyway, to basically ignore my advice above and continue the conjecture: does anyone know how many WL interviews seem to have been given out usually? The spreadsheet from last year does not seem to have much information in that regard.

Can we be sure that these slots (though they've disappeared) were meant for people on a WL? There haven't (to my knowledge) been any WL waves, so given the April 4-7 timing of the new (now gone) JS1 slots, they'd have to give out JS1 requests by April 1 at the latest, meaning they'd have a week from today to send out JS2s, WLs, and new JS1s to the people they put on a WL a few days prior.

Then again, I fully admit that I have no idea what's going on and am really just offering baseless speculation to kill time. I'm personally taking each/every new development as a bad sign.

From having read through the last 3 or 4 years HLS admissions threads it seems that the first WL JS1s typically go out in early May sometime after their seat deposit deadline.

Makes sense. I wonder if pre-waitlist js1s have a better chance of getting off the waitlist than post-waitlist js1s...

[-lemonlyman-]

Honestly, I don't think we can read too much into anything at this point - all we can do is conjecture based on the little information we have. One user has said the available interview slots are changing quite a bit.

What I think the quote above is saying is that 100 spots (one user said closer to 50? Haven't been able to check myself) seems like a pretty high number for what are most likely wait-list interview slots (we are assuming a big JS2 wave will go out right at the end of the month / before Apr. 1 like last cycle). So, if that is true, there may be a lot of slots they will have left open, so they will interview more people from the waitlist to fill the spots, rather than filling the majority of those slots with current JS2 waiters.

Again, I think all the speculation in this thread should really be taken with a grain of salt. All us anxious waiters can really do is kill time until we hope for a JS2 likely next week, but that is nerve racking because each day until then has usually had a ding or waitlist wave based on last year's cycle. Thus any new information we get is over analyzed as we try to make sense of this process. It can be good to have some discussion and hear other's thoughts, but I think it is important to remember nobody here (that we know of) is at the table at HLS admissions and actually knows what will happen, so any conjecture should really not be taken so seriously.

Anyway, to basically ignore my advice above and continue the conjecture: does anyone know how many WL interviews seem to have been given out usually? The spreadsheet from last year does not seem to have much information in that regard.

Can we be sure that these slots (though they've disappeared) were meant for people on a WL? There haven't (to my knowledge) been any WL waves, so given the April 4-7 timing of the new (now gone) JS1 slots, they'd have to give out JS1 requests by April 1 at the latest, meaning they'd have a week from today to send out JS2s, WLs, and new JS1s to the people they put on a WL a few days prior.

Then again, I fully admit that I have no idea what's going on and am really just offering baseless speculation to kill time. I'm personally taking each/every new development as a bad sign.

From having read through the last 3 or 4 years HLS admissions threads it seems that the first WL JS1s typically go out in early May sometime after their seat deposit deadline.

Hmm that's a good find. That would make more sense because after their decision deadline they would know how many spots they have already definitely filled and have an idea of how many more offers they would have to make to get to their class size goal.

[RZ5646]

So does it seem like they review apps for a week or so, notifying the dings and WLs as they go and saving the JS2s for a special day of acceptance calls?

[dooritos23]

So does it seem like they review apps for a week or so, notifying the dings and WLs as they go and saving the JS2s for a special day of acceptance calls?

I think dings and waitlist are also done in waves, IE not on a rolling basis individually.

[itookthelsat]

Do pre-WL js1s have a better chance of getting off the waitlist than post-WL js1s?

[-lemonlyman-]

Do pre-WL js1s have a better chance of getting off the waitlist than post-WL js1s?

I think that would be a bit more difficult to figure out, especially with last year's spreadsheet not being too complete towards the end. You can't really tell based on LSN either, because they didn't give separate columns for JS1 data, so we don't know if those reporting waitlists had prior JS1s or interviewed after. Maybe someone else here has some insight into that though?

[dooritos23]

Do pre-WL js1s have a better chance of getting off the waitlist than post-WL js1s?

I think that would be a bit more difficult to figure out, especially with last year's spreadsheet not being too complete towards the end. You can't really tell based on LSN either, because they didn't give separate columns for JS1 data, so we don't know if those reporting waitlists had prior JS1s or interviewed after. Maybe someone else here has some insight into that though?

You would think that pre-waitlist JS1's would have the advantage, considering they were formally designated as potential straight-away admits before getting waitlisted whereas post-waitlist JS1's were not. But I really don't know, waitlist data seems to be very much in short supply.

[dualdegreecandidate]

Hello guys, this has been a very helpful thread so far and I just wanted to get your thoughts on my application.

I submitted a few hours after the deadline - so 2/2 - and went complete on 02/25. Do you think I can still expect an answer or response before April 1 or do you imagine my application might not be considered equally? Does anyone know if late submissions still receive acceptances?