University of Florida Levin College of Law c/o 2019 Forum

[Sonar80]

I was accepted with a Presidential Scholarship about two weeks after submitting in mid-February. Most likely I'll turn down the offer and reapply next year as I also have a n offer for an ed policy masters program that I would prefer to do first.

Stats: uGPA 3.58 from top LAC, LSAT 167, Fulbright ETA

Have you checked to see if they'll let you defer a year? That sounds like a legitimate reason for deferral. You wouldn't have to reapply and risk losing your scholarship.

They have let at least one person that I know of defer for a year with a legit reason also.

[GnosisExchange]

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[Sonar80]

I was accepted with a Presidential Scholarship about two weeks after submitting in mid-February. Most likely I'll turn down the offer and reapply next year as I also have an offer for an ed policy masters program that I would prefer to do first.

Stats: uGPA 3.58 from top LAC, LSAT 167, Fulbright ETA

Have you checked to see if they'll let you defer a year? That sounds like a legitimate reason for deferral. You wouldn't have to reapply and risk losing your scholarship.

They have let at least one person that I know of defer for a year with a legit reason also.

Really? I was going to ask, but their website made it seem next to impossible that they would let me defer. I'll try.

Yes, I can't really speak to how he did it, but he claims he got a year deferral for military stuff.

[Leagles5161]

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/column ... f509d.html


According to this, applications have almost doubled this cycle. From 1,300 last cycle to roughly 2,400 so far. Any thoughts on this? I'm curious if the class of 2019 will be significantly larger than 300 students. Also, I could see the median LSAT being a 160/161

[Kat1021]

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/column ... f509d.html


According to this, applications have almost doubled this cycle. From 1,300 last cycle to roughly 2,400 so far. Any thoughts on this? I'm curious if the class of 2019 will be significantly larger than 300 students. Also, I could see the median LSAT being a 160/161

I really hope not. I'd be unhappy with a significantly large class, but, on the other hand, a larger class is good for the curve. Maybe they would create another section or divide more classes in half.

[Leagles5161]

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/column ... f509d.html


According to this, applications have almost doubled this cycle. From 1,300 last cycle to roughly 2,400 so far. Any thoughts on this? I'm curious if the class of 2019 will be significantly larger than 300 students. Also, I could see the median LSAT being a 160/161

I really hope not. I'd be unhappy with a significantly large class, but, on the other hand, a larger class is good for the curve. Maybe they would create another section or divide more classes in half.

Looking at the employment stats from the last few years, there seems to be a steady 210 (ish) graduates employed as a lawyer ten months after graduation. Assuming that remains true, a larger class would not be ideal for students or for the school (employment stats). I just threw that notion out there though. I don't expect a class of 350+

A median LSAT in the low 160s would be great though. That would parlay into a boost in rankings

[Jags_904]

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/column ... f509d.html


According to this, applications have almost doubled this cycle. From 1,300 last cycle to roughly 2,400 so far. Any thoughts on this? I'm curious if the class of 2019 will be significantly larger than 300 students. Also, I could see the median LSAT being a 160/161

I really hope not. I'd be unhappy with a significantly large class, but, on the other hand, a larger class is good for the curve. Maybe they would create another section or divide more classes in half.

Looking at the employment stats from the last few years, there seems to be a steady 210 (ish) graduates employed as a lawyer ten months after graduation. Assuming that remains true, a larger class would not be a ideal for students or for the school (employment stats). I just threw that notion out there though. I don't expect a class of 350+

A median LSAT in the low 160s would be great though. That would parlay into a boost in rankings

I spoke with a friend of mine who is a 2L at UF. She stated the new dean showed them a powerpoint slide that had the LSAT median for the incoming class who paid their deposit currently at 161. We will see if this holds up through the end of the cycle. It seems the new dean is committed to raising UF's reputation.

[Harry_Pluxen]

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/column ... f509d.html


According to this, applications have almost doubled this cycle. From 1,300 last cycle to roughly 2,400 so far. Any thoughts on this? I'm curious if the class of 2019 will be significantly larger than 300 students. Also, I could see the median LSAT being a 160/161

I really hope not. I'd be unhappy with a significantly large class, but, on the other hand, a larger class is good for the curve. Maybe they would create another section or divide more classes in half.

Looking at the employment stats from the last few years, there seems to be a steady 210 (ish) graduates employed as a lawyer ten months after graduation. Assuming that remains true, a larger class would not be a ideal for students or for the school (employment stats). I just threw that notion out there though. I don't expect a class of 350+

A median LSAT in the low 160s would be great though. That would parlay into a boost in rankings

I spoke with a friend of mine who is a 2L at UF. She stated the new dean showed them a powerpoint slide that had the LSAT median for the incoming class who paid their deposit currently at 161. We will see if this holds up through the end of the cycle. It seems the new dean is committed to raising UF's reputation.

Really? That seems like a pretty big jump from last year.

I don't suppose your friend could get a hold of those slides...

[Jags_904]

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/column ... f509d.html


According to this, applications have almost doubled this cycle. From 1,300 last cycle to roughly 2,400 so far. Any thoughts on this? I'm curious if the class of 2019 will be significantly larger than 300 students. Also, I could see the median LSAT being a 160/161

I really hope not. I'd be unhappy with a significantly large class, but, on the other hand, a larger class is good for the curve. Maybe they would create another section or divide more classes in half.

Looking at the employment stats from the last few years, there seems to be a steady 210 (ish) graduates employed as a lawyer ten months after graduation. Assuming that remains true, a larger class would not be a ideal for students or for the school (employment stats). I just threw that notion out there though. I don't expect a class of 350+

A median LSAT in the low 160s would be great though. That would parlay into a boost in rankings

I spoke with a friend of mine who is a 2L at UF. She stated the new dean showed them a powerpoint slide that had the LSAT median for the incoming class who paid their deposit currently at 161. We will see if this holds up through the end of the cycle. It seems the new dean is committed to raising UF's reputation.

Really? That seems like a pretty big jump from last year.

I don't suppose your friend could get a hold of those slides...

I can ask her. I have a feeling the actual final LSAT median will be lower with people double depositing and ultimately ending up at other schools. I was surprised when she told me this as well since the new median would be higher than the 75th percentile of last year's applicants.

[medtolaw]

I don't necessarily think more applicants will result in a larger class. From publicly available data, UF has traditionally received between 2500-3000 applicants with last year being uncharacteristically low. The class size has been around 300 for the past 5 years.

[Leagles5161]

I don't necessarily think more applicants will result in a larger class. From publicly available data, UF has traditionally received between 2500-3000 applicants with last year being uncharacteristically low. The class size has been around 300 for the past 5 years.

Good point. It seems like everyone on this thread received the Presidential scholly so I keep wondering where they suddenly have all this scholly money from. The new dean must have one hell of a sales pitch & is getting lots of alumni donations

[FuturePanhandler]

http://www.alligator.org/opinion/column ... f509d.html


According to this, applications have almost doubled this cycle. From 1,300 last cycle to roughly 2,400 so far. Any thoughts on this? I'm curious if the class of 2019 will be significantly larger than 300 students. Also, I could see the median LSAT being a 160/161

I really hope not. I'd be unhappy with a significantly large class, but, on the other hand, a larger class is good for the curve. Maybe they would create another section or divide more classes in half.

I think they're much more likely to keep the class size the same in order to raise medians.

Increasing class size shouldn't affect the curve unless the section sizes increased, and I doubt they'd go over 100 person sections.

[Sonar80]

I don't necessarily think more applicants will result in a larger class. From publicly available data, UF has traditionally received between 2500-3000 applicants with last year being uncharacteristically low. The class size has been around 300 for the past 5 years.

Good point. It seems like everyone on this thread received the Presidential scholly so I keep wondering where they suddenly have all this scholly money from. The new dean must have one hell of a sales pitch & is getting lots of alumni donations

They announced there was a $3 million increase in scholly money this year. I have a good friend on the Alumni Advisory Committee, and he said they have been really pleased with the new Dean's performance. She came in and promised to raise the profile of the college, and so far has done everything she can to do just that, and seems to be succeeding. I know the admissions process seems much more streamlined this year compared to last years TLS forums. Last year's forums looked like a train wreck.

Also, regarding the incoming class size, it looks like the class size might be limited by the actual physical classes. There's only so many physical seats to be had in the 1L building. We can all go look at it this Friday, lol.

As far as the people who have paid the seat deposit, that looks like selection bias, right? I mean, 161 among the early adopters doesn't seem all that surprising to me. I would think that the people who deposited earlier were probably more likely to have higher scores. Couple that with the fact that they have been blasting schollies out like crazy (and EARLY, I got my decision in October with offer) and trying to snap up the higher scoring people early, and there you have it, higher median. I bet the final overall median this year is 159 or 160.

https://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions-blog ... ming-class

[Leagles5161]

I don't necessarily think more applicants will result in a larger class. From publicly available data, UF has traditionally received between 2500-3000 applicants with last year being uncharacteristically low. The class size has been around 300 for the past 5 years.

Good point. It seems like everyone on this thread received the Presidential scholly so I keep wondering where they suddenly have all this scholly money from. The new dean must have one hell of a sales pitch & is getting lots of alumni donations

They announced there was a $3 million increase in scholly money this year. I have a good friend on the Alumni Advisory Committee, and he said they have been really pleased with the new Dean's performance. She came in and promised to raise the profile of the college, and so far has done everything she can to do just that, and seems to be succeeding. I know the admissions process seems much more streamlined this year compared to last years TLS forums. Last year's forums looked like a train wreck.

Also, regarding the incoming class size, it looks like the class size might be limited by the actual physical classes. There's only so many physical seats to be had in the 1L building. We can all go look at it this Friday, lol.

As far as the people who have paid the seat deposit, that looks like selection bias, right? I mean, 161 among the early adopters doesn't seem all that surprising to me. I would think that the people who deposited earlier were probably more likely to have higher scores. Couple that with the fact that they have been blasting schollies out like crazy (and EARLY, I got my decision in October with offer) and trying to snap up the higher scoring people early, and there you have it, higher median. I bet the final overall median this year is 159 or 160.

https://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions-blog ... ming-class

I can't find the link, but I remember reading that before the recession hit UF law had a class size of 400. They responded by decreasing the size to 300. I don't think that raising it back to 400 would create problems with actual classroom spacing. Just add another section and schedule classes accordingly. Parking would suck and Friday classes would probably be common. But raising the class sizes would directly hurt the median, so I agree that it won't be back to 400 anytime soon

I totally agree with the bias selection. It's a reach to think that that the vast majority of the class of 2019 has already put down their deposits. My bet is on a 159 for the final median


On a final note, I am really looking forward to Friday and hope to meet you all! Feel free to PM me if you are looking to hit up the brewery!

[Kat1021]

I do not know yet if I will be at the brewery, but I am looking forward to Friday! Go Gators!

[Jags_904]

I do not know yet if I will be at the brewery, but I am looking forward to Friday! Go Gators!

As a lifelong Seminole fan, I do not know how I am going to handle becoming a Gator if I ultimately end up at UF.

[Leagles5161]

I do not know yet if I will be at the brewery, but I am looking forward to Friday! Go Gators!

As a lifelong Seminole fan, I do not know how I am going to handle becoming a Gator if I ultimately end up at UF.

One game day and you'll be sold. Game days at the swamp are a fucking blast.

I will concede that garnet and gold attire is easier on the eyes than orange and blue

[Jags_904]

I do not know yet if I will be at the brewery, but I am looking forward to Friday! Go Gators!

As a lifelong Seminole fan, I do not know how I am going to handle becoming a Gator if I ultimately end up at UF.

One game day and you'll be sold. Game days at the swamp are a fucking blast.

I will concede that garnet and gold attire is easier on the eyes than orange and blue

I've been to a couple FSU games at the Swamp. It's definitely a great atmosphere. I did not go to FSU for my undergrad though so my only ties to them are from growing up a fan in Jacksonville. I have a lot of FSU memorabilia that would be impossible for me to throw out!

[Harry_Pluxen]

OK, a few points came to mind when reading the latest string of posts ITT.

I read the post mentioned a few posts back on the aligator.org regarding Dean Rossenburry's performance. Similarly, Mike Spivey mentioned that he saw bright things in UF law's future about a year ago when she was appointed as the new dean. Furthermore, her goals in the UF law magazine that I received in the mail a few weeks ago (the one with her smiling & hands on her hips, looking all proud) are in line with what I've been hearing here and what Spivey predicted last cycle. Basically, she wants to improve UF's prestige within FL and nationally. Hence the increase in scholarships, which are aimed at attracting high quality students...which will increase the rankings eventually, help with post-graduation employment, etc. I wonder how much of an impact all of this will actually have on the school's reputation in the end. We'll only really know 100% what the results are (so far) when our class profile is finalized in the fall of this year, since this still her first cycle in her new role as dean.

That being said, I don't know if a 161 is realistic as a new median for the class of 2019. Perhaps a 160 is more likely.

[gator_guy93]

OK, a few points came to mind when reading the latest string of posts ITT.

I read the post mentioned a few posts back on the aligator.org regarding Dean Rossenburry's performance. Similarly, Mike Spivey mentioned that he saw bright things in UF law's future about a year ago when she was appointed as the new dean. Furthermore, her goals in the UF law magazine that I received in the mail a few weeks ago (the one with her smiling & hands on her hips, looking all proud) are in line with what I've been hearing here and what Spivey predicted last cycle. Basically, she wants to improve UF's prestige within FL and nationally. Hence the increase in scholarships, which are aimed at attracting high quality students...which will increase the rankings eventually, help with post-graduation employment, etc. I wonder how much of an impact all of this will actually have on the school's reputation in the end. We'll only really know 100% what the results are (so far) when our class profile is finalized in the fall of this year, since this still her first cycle in her new role as dean.

That being said, I don't know if a 161 is realistic as a new median for the class of 2019. Perhaps a 160 is more likely.

Right now their predicted medians are 160 and 3.60, per the admissions office.

[FSUHopeful]

OK, a few points came to mind when reading the latest string of posts ITT.

I read the post mentioned a few posts back on the aligator.org regarding Dean Rossenburry's performance. Similarly, Mike Spivey mentioned that he saw bright things in UF law's future about a year ago when she was appointed as the new dean. Furthermore, her goals in the UF law magazine that I received in the mail a few weeks ago (the one with her smiling & hands on her hips, looking all proud) are in line with what I've been hearing here and what Spivey predicted last cycle. Basically, she wants to improve UF's prestige within FL and nationally. Hence the increase in scholarships, which are aimed at attracting high quality students...which will increase the rankings eventually, help with post-graduation employment, etc. I wonder how much of an impact all of this will actually have on the school's reputation in the end. We'll only really know 100% what the results are (so far) when our class profile is finalized in the fall of this year, since this still her first cycle in her new role as dean.

That being said, I don't know if a 161 is realistic as a new median for the class of 2019. Perhaps a 160 is more likely.

Right now their predicted medians are 160 and 3.60, per the admissions office.

I don't have much of a chance with a 155/ 3.7.

[Kat1021]

OK, a few points came to mind when reading the latest string of posts ITT.

I read the post mentioned a few posts back on the aligator.org regarding Dean Rossenburry's performance. Similarly, Mike Spivey mentioned that he saw bright things in UF law's future about a year ago when she was appointed as the new dean. Furthermore, her goals in the UF law magazine that I received in the mail a few weeks ago (the one with her smiling & hands on her hips, looking all proud) are in line with what I've been hearing here and what Spivey predicted last cycle. Basically, she wants to improve UF's prestige within FL and nationally. Hence the increase in scholarships, which are aimed at attracting high quality students...which will increase the rankings eventually, help with post-graduation employment, etc. I wonder how much of an impact all of this will actually have on the school's reputation in the end. We'll only really know 100% what the results are (so far) when our class profile is finalized in the fall of this year, since this still her first cycle in her new role as dean.

That being said, I don't know if a 161 is realistic as a new median for the class of 2019. Perhaps a 160 is more likely.

Right now their predicted medians are 160 and 3.60, per the admissions office.

I don't have much of a chance with a 155/ 3.7.

Dont give up yet! I got in with a 154/3.8

[Leagles5161]

I don't have much of a chance with a 155/ 3.7.

I think you have a decent chance but a waitlist could be coming your way. Your gpa could get you in. Best of luck

[Harry_Pluxen]

OK, a few points came to mind when reading the latest string of posts ITT.

I read the post mentioned a few posts back on the aligator.org regarding Dean Rossenburry's performance. Similarly, Mike Spivey mentioned that he saw bright things in UF law's future about a year ago when she was appointed as the new dean. Furthermore, her goals in the UF law magazine that I received in the mail a few weeks ago (the one with her smiling & hands on her hips, looking all proud) are in line with what I've been hearing here and what Spivey predicted last cycle. Basically, she wants to improve UF's prestige within FL and nationally. Hence the increase in scholarships, which are aimed at attracting high quality students...which will increase the rankings eventually, help with post-graduation employment, etc. I wonder how much of an impact all of this will actually have on the school's reputation in the end. We'll only really know 100% what the results are (so far) when our class profile is finalized in the fall of this year, since this still her first cycle in her new role as dean.

That being said, I don't know if a 161 is realistic as a new median for the class of 2019. Perhaps a 160 is more likely.

Right now their predicted medians are 160 and 3.60, per the admissions office.

I was unaware that admissions offices shared such information. Do you have any more information?

[gator_guy93]

OK, a few points came to mind when reading the latest string of posts ITT.

I read the post mentioned a few posts back on the aligator.org regarding Dean Rossenburry's performance. Similarly, Mike Spivey mentioned that he saw bright things in UF law's future about a year ago when she was appointed as the new dean. Furthermore, her goals in the UF law magazine that I received in the mail a few weeks ago (the one with her smiling & hands on her hips, looking all proud) are in line with what I've been hearing here and what Spivey predicted last cycle. Basically, she wants to improve UF's prestige within FL and nationally. Hence the increase in scholarships, which are aimed at attracting high quality students...which will increase the rankings eventually, help with post-graduation employment, etc. I wonder how much of an impact all of this will actually have on the school's reputation in the end. We'll only really know 100% what the results are (so far) when our class profile is finalized in the fall of this year, since this still her first cycle in her new role as dean.

That being said, I don't know if a 161 is realistic as a new median for the class of 2019. Perhaps a 160 is more likely.

Right now their predicted medians are 160 and 3.60, per the admissions office.

I was unaware that admissions offices shared such information. Do you have any more information?

It was during a scholarship negotiation. He was trying to give me a sense of what the incoming class is looking like and why I got the scholarship I got, etc. That was pretty much it! Just thought I'd share. It would be interesting to see those numbers hold though. That's a pretty good bump for both LSAT and GPA medians.