Cardozo 2011 Forum

[evilgenius]

Can you talk about possible reasons to choose Cardozo over Brooklyn? For the sake of this discussion let's assume the money is equal. I like Cardozo a lot, and its location is certainly awesome, but Brooklyn's long established history and corresponding alumni base are attractive to me.

Also, Brooklyn seems to have one of the best housing situations in the nation; I like the idea of living close (walking distance) to campus for practical reasons, do students who choose to live close by struggle with the cost given that Cardozo seems to have limited subsidized housing options?

To be honest, the difference between Brooklyn and Cardozo is minimal. The tuition is the same at both schools. Cardozo has a "dorm" (its more like an apt building) - the Alabama. There is more than enough space in the building for every student that wants to live there. I don't know if anyone that lives there is subsidized. But rent is extremely cheap for Manhattan. The building is two blocks from the school. (I believe Brooklyn's dorms are 5 blocks from the school). And Cardozo aside, the dorm is in an amazing neighborhood.

Cardozo's alumni base is smaller, but very, very committed. There's at least one alumni networking event every week. I can't attest to how active Brooklyn's alumni base is.

The main difference I've seen is that Brooklyn is well established in the public sector. Alumni work in all levels of gov't, in almost every court, and for numerous non-profits. Cardozo has a solid public sector alumni base, but probably not as strong.

Cardozo's strength by far is its intellectual property and corporate/commercial/business law programs. Also, Cardozo seems to be a spring board for young, smart law professors. (its difficult to explain the importance of a good law professor to 0Ls, but just know that it makes a HUGE difference) Many professors teach at the school for a few years before launching careers at Harvard, Yale or other top schools. That being said, I'm sure Brooklyn has amazing professors as well - I just can't speak to them.

[Justathought]

Can you talk about possible reasons to choose Cardozo over Brooklyn? For the sake of this discussion let's assume the money is equal. I like Cardozo a lot, and its location is certainly awesome, but Brooklyn's long established history and corresponding alumni base are attractive to me.

Also, Brooklyn seems to have one of the best housing situations in the nation; I like the idea of living close (walking distance) to campus for practical reasons, do students who choose to live close by struggle with the cost given that Cardozo seems to have limited subsidized housing options?

To be honest, the difference between Brooklyn and Cardozo is minimal. The tuition is the same at both schools. Cardozo has a "dorm" (its more like an apt building) - the Alabama. There is more than enough space in the building for every student that wants to live there. I don't know if anyone that lives there is subsidized. But rent is extremely cheap for Manhattan. The building is two blocks from the school. (I believe Brooklyn's dorms are 5 blocks from the school). And Cardozo aside, the dorm is in an amazing neighborhood.

Cardozo's alumni base is smaller, but very, very committed. There's at least one alumni networking event every week. I can't attest to how active Brooklyn's alumni base is.

The main difference I've seen is that Brooklyn is well established in the public sector. Alumni work in all levels of gov't, in almost every court, and for numerous non-profits. Cardozo has a solid public sector alumni base, but probably not as strong.

Cardozo's strength by far is its intellectual property and corporate/commercial/business law programs. Also, Cardozo seems to be a spring board for young, smart law professors. (its difficult to explain the importance of a good law professor to 0Ls, but just know that it makes a HUGE difference) Many professors teach at the school for a few years before launching careers at Harvard, Yale or other top schools. That being said, I'm sure Brooklyn has amazing professors as well - I just can't speak to them.

Thanks very much for taking questions.

[AshtonB]

*Shameless bump*

Any possibility of scholarship $ with a 3.05/163?

[rocon7383]

*Shameless bump*

Any possibility of scholarship $ with a 3.05/163?

I was held with 3.2 166

[aidez-moi]

I don't want to get this too off-topic, but does anyone know any legit realtors/brokers in the city? (I know it's pretty much a huge not worth it scam and their commission is ridiculous, but between that and the trash on craigslist I thought it might be preferable - thoughts?) Any reply or PM would be awesome.

[rs2004]

I don't want to get this too off-topic, but does anyone know any legit realtors/brokers in the city? (I know it's pretty much a huge not worth it scam and their commission is ridiculous, but between that and the trash on craigslist I thought it might be preferable - thoughts?) Any reply or PM would be awesome.

what area are you looking to live in and you do understand that you would need to provide a guarantor to rent an apartment since you will be a student with no income?

[lawfreak]

If someone is accepted to the May part-time program? Can they switch to the full-time program instead(i mean in the fall instead of starting in the may)?

In regards to Brooklyn vs. Cardozo...if I had to choose one at sticker, which one would you recommend based on job prospects especially biglaw jobs?

[aidez-moi]

I don't want to get this too off-topic, but does anyone know any legit realtors/brokers in the city? (I know it's pretty much a huge not worth it scam and their commission is ridiculous, but between that and the trash on craigslist I thought it might be preferable - thoughts?) Any reply or PM would be awesome.

what area are you looking to live in and you do understand that you would need to provide a guarantor to rent an apartment since you will be a student with no income?

Yep. And the guarantor has to make 80x the monthly rent for most landlords in the city. And I'm going to need income tax returns to prove it. (I've worked in the city before so I know the run around you have to go through with regards to finding a place, I've just never had to live there before until now.)

With regards to area, I'm not too picky. I'd probably prefer the lower island, but I have a feeling that Brooklyn is going to provide the best bang for the buck.

[aidez-moi]

If someone is accepted to the May part-time program? Can they switch to the full-time program instead(i mean in the fall instead of starting in the may)?

In regards to Brooklyn vs. Cardozo...if I had to choose one at sticker, which one would you recommend based on job prospects especially biglaw jobs?

I'd think that biglaw is going to be rough coming out of both. Paying sticker for either is a pretty big gamble, but if you're up for it the location/feel of the school is probably more important (assuming debt is going to be the same.)

[kev41589]

I was waitlisted with a 160/3.2 and pretty strong softs and statement.. what are my chances of being admitted from the waitlist? And for the may program? I have a tour and interview this Friday so I'm hoping it will help give me a push. Does anyone know if I would be eligible for scholarship money? If not in may, then in subsequent semesters?

[PinkCow]

I'm still sitting at Complete/IR 1/7. GPA slightly below median. LSAT quite a bit above 75th. Come on!!

[steve_o711]

Waitlisted today with a 165/3.2. Anyone had any luck getting off of the waitlist thus far? If so could you post or pm your numbers?

[smoneill89]

Waitlisted today with a 165/3.2. Anyone had any luck getting off of the waitlist thus far? If so could you post or pm your numbers?

Wattlisted today also with 160/3.3. Wondering the same thing.

[Lord_Roy]

Waitlisted today with a 165/3.2. Anyone had any luck getting off of the waitlist thus far? If so could you post or pm your numbers?

Wattlisted today also with 160/3.3. Wondering the same thing.

When did you guys submit you apps pls? I have been complete and UR since 1/14 and am really losing patience with cardozo....

[smoneill89]

Waitlisted today with a 165/3.2. Anyone had any luck getting off of the waitlist thus far? If so could you post or pm your numbers?

Wattlisted today also with 160/3.3. Wondering the same thing.

When did you guys submit you apps pls? I have been complete and UR since 1/14 and am really losing patience with cardozo....

I went complete 1/13 and UR around that time, don't remember the exact date I went UR.

[kev41589]

my application (waitlisted, 160, 3.2) was complete on 12/29 and the decision was sent on 2/1.

[steve_o711]

Waitlisted today with a 165/3.2. Anyone had any luck getting off of the waitlist thus far? If so could you post or pm your numbers?

Wattlisted today also with 160/3.3. Wondering the same thing.

When did you guys submit you apps pls? I have been complete and UR since 1/14 and am really losing patience with cardozo....

Sent: 1/9
Complete and UR :1/10
Decision: 2/15

[bigkahuna2020]

As a local I have to say to the people looking for fee apartments and Realtors---do not do this. If you want to save money, live along the L/2/3/NQR/456 in Brooklyn/Queens or in Jersey City/Hoboken/Ironbound Newark---24 hour transit that should be no more than a 20-40 min train ride and SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper rent. LOTS of places in Bushwick, Park Slope (the less posh side), Astoria, and all these places that you can hit craigslist and go month to month until you get a feel for the city and some people you'd live with etc

[ballpop]

Applied before the New Year

Complete 1/8

[lawfreak]

I was waitlisted with a 160/3.2 and pretty strong softs and statement.. what are my chances of being admitted from the waitlist? And for the may program? I have a tour and interview this Friday so I'm hoping it will help give me a push. Does anyone know if I would be eligible for scholarship money? If not in may, then in subsequent semesters?

There is no scholarship money for the May program. I asked them about it.

[sabenser]

I was waitlisted with a 160/3.2 and pretty strong softs and statement.. what are my chances of being admitted from the waitlist? And for the may program? I have a tour and interview this Friday so I'm hoping it will help give me a push. Does anyone know if I would be eligible for scholarship money? If not in may, then in subsequent semesters?

There is no scholarship money for the May program. I asked them about it.

You guys are making me less confident about negotiating for a better scholarship. I should just be more grateful for what I have. Good luck to you two.

[aidez-moi]

As a local I have to say to the people looking for fee apartments and Realtors---do not do this. If you want to save money, live along the L/2/3/NQR/456 in Brooklyn/Queens or in Jersey City/Hoboken/Ironbound Newark---24 hour transit that should be no more than a 20-40 min train ride and SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper rent. LOTS of places in Bushwick, Park Slope (the less posh side), Astoria, and all these places that you can hit craigslist and go month to month until you get a feel for the city and some people you'd live with etc

I hear you, and that was my plan. Craigslist however has turned into complete garbage.

[evilgenius]

If someone is accepted to the May part-time program? Can they switch to the full-time program instead(i mean in the fall instead of starting in the may)?

In regards to Brooklyn vs. Cardozo...if I had to choose one at sticker, which one would you recommend based on job prospects especially biglaw jobs?

I think you can tell admissions that you'd like to be considered for the fall but there's no guarantee that you'll be admitted. There's a different admissions cycle and a slightly different standard for the May program.

I wouldn't attend either at sticker. But if I was absolutely certain that I wanted big law I'd attend Brooklyn. They have a larger alumni base working in biglaw.

But I dont think anyone should attend Cardozo or Brooklyn thinking that biglaw is guaranteed. The odds are against you.

[lawfreak]

If someone is accepted to the May part-time program? Can they switch to the full-time program instead(i mean in the fall instead of starting in the may)?

In regards to Brooklyn vs. Cardozo...if I had to choose one at sticker, which one would you recommend based on job prospects especially biglaw jobs?

I think you can tell admissions that you'd like to be considered for the fall but there's no guarantee that you'll be admitted. There's a different admissions cycle and a slightly different standard for the May program.

I wouldn't attend either at sticker. But if I was absolutely certain that I wanted big law I'd attend Brooklyn. They have a larger alumni base working in biglaw.

But I dont think anyone should attend Cardozo or Brooklyn thinking that biglaw is guaranteed. The odds are against you.

But isn't rank more important then alumni base, especially in regards to Brooklyn and Cardozo, where Cardozo is ranked 52 and Brooklyn 67 (only 5 away from SJU which is pretty bad).

[aidez-moi]

But isn't rank more important then alumni base, especially in regards to Brooklyn and Cardozo, where Cardozo is ranked 52 and Brooklyn 67 (only 5 away from SJU which is pretty bad).

No, rank is meaningless. A partner that is a Brooklyn alum isn't going to shun all BLS lawyers because well damn Cardozo is 10 spots ahead.

Outside the top 20(ish) all schools are regional. And rankings do not matter between ~20-100.