Harvard C/O 2019 Applicants Forum

[downtownboy]

Anyone who is dumb enough to mistake Samford for Stanford shouldn't be applying to Stanford and deserves to go to Samford

Even if you actually liked the school, I feel like the name would make for inconvenient conversations for the rest of your life.

"Where do you go to school?"
"Samford"
mishears
"...you go to Stanford? Wow!"
"No..."

I have a high school classmate who chose Samford for undergrad for this very reason...

You have to be kidding

Haha…. Samford is actually pretty decent liberal arts school in Alabama…. Will I ever go there? Probs not, but hey!

[ooo1800]

Hey everyone, first time poster but I figured this was the best place to ask, I am going to be out of town next week with no phone and limited internet access, I had my JS1 in late January, I was curious if anyone knew if one is supposed to notify the school in anyway saying that one won't be available? I'm not counting on getting in at this point, most likely a waitlist, but I am guessing it wouldn't be great to ignore the phone call. Let me know if anyone has insight on this, or if its fine and just hope I have a lovely voicemail waiting for me when I get back. Thanks to everyone posting the useful information here!

[TheKisSquared]

Hey everyone, first time poster but I figured this was the best place to ask, I am going to be out of town next week with no phone and limited internet access, I had my JS1 in late January, I was curious if anyone knew if one is supposed to notify the school in anyway saying that one won't be available? I'm not counting on getting in at this point, most likely a waitlist, but I am guessing it wouldn't be great to ignore the phone call. Let me know if anyone has insight on this, or if its fine and just hope I have a lovely voicemail waiting for me when I get back. Thanks to everyone posting the useful information here!

You will have a lovely voicemail when you get back! They know people can't check their phones all the time

Fast Edit: and I think it would be presumptuous to update them when you're only gone for a week, might look bad.

[tflan19]

Hey everyone, first time poster but I figured this was the best place to ask, I am going to be out of town next week with no phone and limited internet access, I had my JS1 in late January, I was curious if anyone knew if one is supposed to notify the school in anyway saying that one won't be available? I'm not counting on getting in at this point, most likely a waitlist, but I am guessing it wouldn't be great to ignore the phone call. Let me know if anyone has insight on this, or if its fine and just hope I have a lovely voicemail waiting for me when I get back. Thanks to everyone posting the useful information here!

You will have a lovely voicemail when you get back! They know people can't check their phones all the time

Fast Edit: and I think it would be presumptuous to update them when you're only gone for a week, might look bad.

^ the above, I didn't interact with any adcomms or forms for almost a month after I got my JS2 voicemail and they haven't taken back my admission

[TheKisSquared]

ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE

I wore red today. My JS costume.

[James.K.Polk]

ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE

I wore red today. My JS costume.

Checking in for the anxiety.

[pint]

ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE

I wore red today. My JS costume.

Checking in for the anxiety.

+1

[boslaw56]

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[mdnyc]

Pretty nervous about my interview tomorrow, I can't shake the feeling that I'm interviewing for my dream job. Feel free to PM/post ITT with any last minute tips.

1. Be prepared with the answer to three questions: Why law now? Why Harvard? What do you want to do with your Harvard degree?

2. Test your set-up before hand

3. Have a few questions to ask your interviewer - he or she will give you plenty of time.

4. Have fun and relax! It should be a super chill interview. Treat it as a chance to add a bit of color to your app and get to know Harvard better.

[hopefulmarie93]

ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE

I wore red today. My JS costume.

Checking in for the anxiety.

+1

[boslaw56]

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[RZ5646]

Pretty nervous about my interview tomorrow, I can't shake the feeling that I'm interviewing for my dream job. Feel free to PM/post ITT with any last minute tips.

My JS1 was actually really chill and much less difficult than the interviews I did for Chicago and Columbia (can't compare with YS). It's a standard, semi-conversational law school interview like most schools give, so relax. Just make sure you do a little research beforehand to have at least a couple of Harvard programs that you're interested in and a couple of questions for the interviewer.

Oh, and check your Skype setup beforehand. I got home < 10 minutes before my JS1 and then my Skype app randomly failed to acknowledge my laptop's webcam, and I had to restart my computer when the call was imminent... it was terrifying.

[gummighost]

Hey everyone, first time poster but I figured this was the best place to ask, I am going to be out of town next week with no phone and limited internet access, I had my JS1 in late January, I was curious if anyone knew if one is supposed to notify the school in anyway saying that one won't be available? I'm not counting on getting in at this point, most likely a waitlist, but I am guessing it wouldn't be great to ignore the phone call. Let me know if anyone has insight on this, or if its fine and just hope I have a lovely voicemail waiting for me when I get back. Thanks to everyone posting the useful information here!

Change your voicemail outgoing message to say something along the lines of "I will be without access to voicemail until X, but please leave amessage and I'll call you back upon my return"

[itsgonnahappen]

Do we think the HLS c/o 2019 fb page is a good indicator of the total amount of admits that have gone out to-date?

There's 412 in the group right now, and I understand around 12 are faculty or current students.

Is it safe to assume there's still ~400+ JS2's that will go out before this is all said and done? Or, is it more accurate to think of the 412 in the group as likely attendees, meaning there's closer to 150 spots left in the class of 2019, thus maybe less that 250 JS2's left for the rest of us waiters?

I don't think that this is a great way to determine the number of admits. The HLS page requires that you request to be added, rather than many of the schools that will send you an invitation. I know admits have reported their requests to join being denied. Also, it takes some time for the admissions staff to verify identities and accept requests, meaning those admitted last week might not be added yet!

That being said, I think that those in the group are not just likely attendees, as there is a lot of overlap between those in the YLS and HLS 2019 facebook groups, and obviously these people will not matriculate to both. There are generally ~900 admits for each year (including those who come off the waitlist), so based on the current number in the facebook group, I would guess there are still ~250-300 JS2s to come (including those off the waitlist).

An attempt to answer my own question:

The c/o 2019 page is currently at 422. A review of the final member counts of class pages (assuming individuals did not leave the page after selecting a different school, which is very possible) for 2018 (742), 2017 (778), and 2016 (663), indicates the average final count for the class pages over the last three years at 727 members.

422 / 727 = .58. I hypothesize that according to this indicator, HLS has distributed approximately 58% of JS2s at this point. Assuming 900 JS2s will go out this year, that means there may be as many as 378 JS2 still to be distributed (including waitlist).

[buffy123]

Do we think the HLS c/o 2019 fb page is a good indicator of the total amount of admits that have gone out to-date?

There's 412 in the group right now, and I understand around 12 are faculty or current students.

Is it safe to assume there's still ~400+ JS2's that will go out before this is all said and done? Or, is it more accurate to think of the 412 in the group as likely attendees, meaning there's closer to 150 spots left in the class of 2019, thus maybe less that 250 JS2's left for the rest of us waiters?

I don't think that this is a great way to determine the number of admits. The HLS page requires that you request to be added, rather than many of the schools that will send you an invitation. I know admits have reported their requests to join being denied. Also, it takes some time for the admissions staff to verify identities and accept requests, meaning those admitted last week might not be added yet!

That being said, I think that those in the group are not just likely attendees, as there is a lot of overlap between those in the YLS and HLS 2019 facebook groups, and obviously these people will not matriculate to both. There are generally ~900 admits for each year (including those who come off the waitlist), so based on the current number in the facebook group, I would guess there are still ~250-300 JS2s to come (including those off the waitlist).

An attempt to answer my own question:

The c/o 2019 page is currently at 422. A review of the final member counts of class pages (assuming individuals did not leave the page after selecting a different school, which is very possible) for 2018 (742), 2017 (778), and 2016 (663), indicates the average final count for the class pages over the last three years at 727 members.

422 / 727 = .58. I hypothesize that according to this indicator, HLS has distributed approximately 58% of JS2s at this point. Assuming 900 JS2s will go out this year, that means there may be as many as 378 JS2 still to be distributed (including waitlist).

As a mid-february JS1, I hope this is right. But by this time last year, it looks like the majority of JS2s had gone out and there was mostly silence until end of march/april when there were a few js2s, but mostly dings and waitlists. Hopefully this year is different!

[James.K.Polk]

HLS accepted my publications/updated resume... Hope that wasn't the last thing they do before a big rejection!

[pittsburghpirates]

Do we think the HLS c/o 2019 fb page is a good indicator of the total amount of admits that have gone out to-date?

There's 412 in the group right now, and I understand around 12 are faculty or current students.

Is it safe to assume there's still ~400+ JS2's that will go out before this is all said and done? Or, is it more accurate to think of the 412 in the group as likely attendees, meaning there's closer to 150 spots left in the class of 2019, thus maybe less that 250 JS2's left for the rest of us waiters?

I don't think that this is a great way to determine the number of admits. The HLS page requires that you request to be added, rather than many of the schools that will send you an invitation. I know admits have reported their requests to join being denied. Also, it takes some time for the admissions staff to verify identities and accept requests, meaning those admitted last week might not be added yet!

That being said, I think that those in the group are not just likely attendees, as there is a lot of overlap between those in the YLS and HLS 2019 facebook groups, and obviously these people will not matriculate to both. There are generally ~900 admits for each year (including those who come off the waitlist), so based on the current number in the facebook group, I would guess there are still ~250-300 JS2s to come (including those off the waitlist).

An attempt to answer my own question:

The c/o 2019 page is currently at 422. A review of the final member counts of class pages (assuming individuals did not leave the page after selecting a different school, which is very possible) for 2018 (742), 2017 (778), and 2016 (663), indicates the average final count for the class pages over the last three years at 727 members.

422 / 727 = .58. I hypothesize that according to this indicator, HLS has distributed approximately 58% of JS2s at this point. Assuming 900 JS2s will go out this year, that means there may be as many as 378 JS2 still to be distributed (including waitlist).

Just wanted to check but do these include other people besides admits in the FB groups (adcomms, current students, etc.)?

[itsgonnahappen]

Do we think the HLS c/o 2019 fb page is a good indicator of the total amount of admits that have gone out to-date?

There's 412 in the group right now, and I understand around 12 are faculty or current students.

Is it safe to assume there's still ~400+ JS2's that will go out before this is all said and done? Or, is it more accurate to think of the 412 in the group as likely attendees, meaning there's closer to 150 spots left in the class of 2019, thus maybe less that 250 JS2's left for the rest of us waiters?

I don't think that this is a great way to determine the number of admits. The HLS page requires that you request to be added, rather than many of the schools that will send you an invitation. I know admits have reported their requests to join being denied. Also, it takes some time for the admissions staff to verify identities and accept requests, meaning those admitted last week might not be added yet!

That being said, I think that those in the group are not just likely attendees, as there is a lot of overlap between those in the YLS and HLS 2019 facebook groups, and obviously these people will not matriculate to both. There are generally ~900 admits for each year (including those who come off the waitlist), so based on the current number in the facebook group, I would guess there are still ~250-300 JS2s to come (including those off the waitlist).

An attempt to answer my own question:

The c/o 2019 page is currently at 422. A review of the final member counts of class pages (assuming individuals did not leave the page after selecting a different school, which is very possible) for 2018 (742), 2017 (778), and 2016 (663), indicates the average final count for the class pages over the last three years at 727 members.

422 / 727 = .58. I hypothesize that according to this indicator, HLS has distributed approximately 58% of JS2s at this point. Assuming 900 JS2s will go out this year, that means there may be as many as 378 JS2 still to be distributed (including waitlist).

Just wanted to check but do these include other people besides admits in the FB groups (adcomms, current students, etc.)?

My understanding is it also includes about a dozen adcomms and current students. I didn't adjust for that and just assumed the number of non-admits remained the same over the the last few years. One major caveat is that it is possible that many JS2s plan to wait until they have actually decided on HLS to join the group, and thus there could be a big bump in the group size (independent of a JS2 wave) in the next few weeks as more students finalize their plans.

[pittsburghpirates]

Do we think the HLS c/o 2019 fb page is a good indicator of the total amount of admits that have gone out to-date?

There's 412 in the group right now, and I understand around 12 are faculty or current students.

Is it safe to assume there's still ~400+ JS2's that will go out before this is all said and done? Or, is it more accurate to think of the 412 in the group as likely attendees, meaning there's closer to 150 spots left in the class of 2019, thus maybe less that 250 JS2's left for the rest of us waiters?

I don't think that this is a great way to determine the number of admits. The HLS page requires that you request to be added, rather than many of the schools that will send you an invitation. I know admits have reported their requests to join being denied. Also, it takes some time for the admissions staff to verify identities and accept requests, meaning those admitted last week might not be added yet!

That being said, I think that those in the group are not just likely attendees, as there is a lot of overlap between those in the YLS and HLS 2019 facebook groups, and obviously these people will not matriculate to both. There are generally ~900 admits for each year (including those who come off the waitlist), so based on the current number in the facebook group, I would guess there are still ~250-300 JS2s to come (including those off the waitlist).

An attempt to answer my own question:

The c/o 2019 page is currently at 422. A review of the final member counts of class pages (assuming individuals did not leave the page after selecting a different school, which is very possible) for 2018 (742), 2017 (778), and 2016 (663), indicates the average final count for the class pages over the last three years at 727 members.

422 / 727 = .58. I hypothesize that according to this indicator, HLS has distributed approximately 58% of JS2s at this point. Assuming 900 JS2s will go out this year, that means there may be as many as 378 JS2 still to be distributed (including waitlist).

Just wanted to check but do these include other people besides admits in the FB groups (adcomms, current students, etc.)?

My understanding is it also includes about a dozen adcomms and current students. I didn't adjust for that and just assumed the number of non-admits remained the same over the the last few years. One major caveat is that it is possible that many JS2s plan to wait until they have actually decided on HLS to join the group, and thus there could be a big bump in the group size (independent of a JS2 wave) in the next few weeks as more students finalize their plans.

OK so I have taken a different look at this to try to account for what you're taking into account. So based on what you said, there have been 742, 778, and 663 people in each of the facebook groups for the last three cycles. To figure out what percentage of admits on average show up in the groups, I took the most recent three years ABA reports and took the total admits from there (931, 918, and 858 respectively). I then divided the two and took the average to show that about 80% of admits each year remained in the facebook group. So if we divide the current number of admits (422) by 80%, this put us at ~550 admits total so far. Which based on the assumed 900 you are using above could leave about 350 left! Just another way to look at it.

All we know for sure though is that we're all still in as long as we haven't received a ding, we're still in the game!

[thepowerofflight]

Very encouraging! Thank you for your statistical contributions.

[-lemonlyman-]

Do we think the HLS c/o 2019 fb page is a good indicator of the total amount of admits that have gone out to-date?

There's 412 in the group right now, and I understand around 12 are faculty or current students.

Is it safe to assume there's still ~400+ JS2's that will go out before this is all said and done? Or, is it more accurate to think of the 412 in the group as likely attendees, meaning there's closer to 150 spots left in the class of 2019, thus maybe less that 250 JS2's left for the rest of us waiters?

I don't think that this is a great way to determine the number of admits. The HLS page requires that you request to be added, rather than many of the schools that will send you an invitation. I know admits have reported their requests to join being denied. Also, it takes some time for the admissions staff to verify identities and accept requests, meaning those admitted last week might not be added yet!

That being said, I think that those in the group are not just likely attendees, as there is a lot of overlap between those in the YLS and HLS 2019 facebook groups, and obviously these people will not matriculate to both. There are generally ~900 admits for each year (including those who come off the waitlist), so based on the current number in the facebook group, I would guess there are still ~250-300 JS2s to come (including those off the waitlist).

An attempt to answer my own question:

The c/o 2019 page is currently at 422. A review of the final member counts of class pages (assuming individuals did not leave the page after selecting a different school, which is very possible) for 2018 (742), 2017 (778), and 2016 (663), indicates the average final count for the class pages over the last three years at 727 members.

422 / 727 = .58. I hypothesize that according to this indicator, HLS has distributed approximately 58% of JS2s at this point. Assuming 900 JS2s will go out this year, that means there may be as many as 378 JS2 still to be distributed (including waitlist).

As a mid-february JS1, I hope this is right. But by this time last year, it looks like the majority of JS2s had gone out and there was mostly silence until end of march/april when there were a few js2s, but mostly dings and waitlists. Hopefully this year is different!

Also a mid-late Feb JS1, also hoping this is right. I think it's especially important to remember that not every (likely not even the majority, I would think) of applicants will be participating in these forums / posting their numbers consistently on LSN. So while we can look at past cycles and try to guess from those trends, I think at best what we should take from it is a general timetable of when decisions tend to go out, rather than the actual number / percentage of JS2s remaining. It also seems likely to me that there is an over representation of earlier applicants in the spreadsheet. Just giving very rough estimates from a quick look here, but there are nearly 300 total entries, with 118 indicating they were accepted so far. Harvard got over 5,000 applications for the class of 2018, and as the user above said, offers about 900 admissions! Further, of all the applicants listed, it looks like less than 40 have a submit date after the New Year. While many people would likely want to get apps in early, I don't really think that percentage is representative of the whole applicant pool, given there is probably a bigger rush around the first weeks of January (when Dec. 2015 LSAT scores came out) and on the Feb. 1 deadline. Now, this doesn't really indicate the breakdown of actual acceptances by date range within the cycle, but I think the having such a large percentage who submitted early and are thus more likely to have had a decision already makes it seem like a lot fewer spots remain than may be the case. I think the analysis of the FB group by the two users above is more useful to gauge actual numbers given its popularity.

All this is to say / rationalize - keep up the hope! We're in contention until there is an actual ding in the inbox!

[itsgonnahappen]

Do we think the HLS c/o 2019 fb page is a good indicator of the total amount of admits that have gone out to-date?

There's 412 in the group right now, and I understand around 12 are faculty or current students.

Is it safe to assume there's still ~400+ JS2's that will go out before this is all said and done? Or, is it more accurate to think of the 412 in the group as likely attendees, meaning there's closer to 150 spots left in the class of 2019, thus maybe less that 250 JS2's left for the rest of us waiters?

I don't think that this is a great way to determine the number of admits. The HLS page requires that you request to be added, rather than many of the schools that will send you an invitation. I know admits have reported their requests to join being denied. Also, it takes some time for the admissions staff to verify identities and accept requests, meaning those admitted last week might not be added yet!

That being said, I think that those in the group are not just likely attendees, as there is a lot of overlap between those in the YLS and HLS 2019 facebook groups, and obviously these people will not matriculate to both. There are generally ~900 admits for each year (including those who come off the waitlist), so based on the current number in the facebook group, I would guess there are still ~250-300 JS2s to come (including those off the waitlist).

An attempt to answer my own question:

The c/o 2019 page is currently at 422. A review of the final member counts of class pages (assuming individuals did not leave the page after selecting a different school, which is very possible) for 2018 (742), 2017 (778), and 2016 (663), indicates the average final count for the class pages over the last three years at 727 members.

422 / 727 = .58. I hypothesize that according to this indicator, HLS has distributed approximately 58% of JS2s at this point. Assuming 900 JS2s will go out this year, that means there may be as many as 378 JS2 still to be distributed (including waitlist).

Just wanted to check but do these include other people besides admits in the FB groups (adcomms, current students, etc.)?

My understanding is it also includes about a dozen adcomms and current students. I didn't adjust for that and just assumed the number of non-admits remained the same over the the last few years. One major caveat is that it is possible that many JS2s plan to wait until they have actually decided on HLS to join the group, and thus there could be a big bump in the group size (independent of a JS2 wave) in the next few weeks as more students finalize their plans.

OK so I have taken a different look at this to try to account for what you're taking into account. So based on what you said, there have been 742, 778, and 663 people in each of the facebook groups for the last three cycles. To figure out what percentage of admits on average show up in the groups, I took the most recent three years ABA reports and took the total admits from there (931, 918, and 858 respectively). I then divided the two and took the average to show that about 80% of admits each year remained in the facebook group. So if we divide the current number of admits (422) by 80%, this put us at ~550 admits total so far. Which based on the assumed 900 you are using above could leave about 350 left! Just another way to look at it.

All we know for sure though is that we're all still in as long as we haven't received a ding, we're still in the game!

I certainly hope one of us is right, but as you say, at least we're still in the game! I do worry that its possible there are even more than 20% of admits not joining the group because they want to wait until they make a final call, but hopefully HLS is just a little bit slower this year than in years past.

[TheKisSquared]

Unthreading my response but for now I joined all the 2019 fb groups (for schools I was accepted). Is that bad form? I figured it was just another way to get info and connect with people

[herecomesthesun]

^I did that too. Figure I'll leave it once I withdraw

[trenhardeatclen]

I'm sure someone has posted something similar to this, however.... I'll ask away (please help meeee!):

1) If I haven't received a JS1... am I doomed?
2) Will we all generally know by the end of this month of we're going to be rejected/waitlisted/accepted?