Yale c/o 2018 (2014-2015 Applicants) Forum

[bookworm381]

If I submitted on 1/2 but haven't received a 'complete' email yet, should I be worried enough to contact admissions?

[Oskosh]

I would say yes. I submitted 1/3 and went complete 1/9.

[sneakyleo]

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[bookworm381]

If I submitted on 1/2 but haven't received a 'complete' email yet, should I be worried enough to contact admissions?

There was another person in this boat who posted on page 16, and the responses were similar - looks like lots of people who submitted in January went complete within a few days - so it seems like it might be worth reaching out to admissions about it.

thanks sneakyleo and oskosh--I just sent them an email--hopefully just got lost in cyberspace

[KissMyAxe]

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[EvergreenStateLady]

I'm sorry to hear about the slaughter today. Most of you guys are absolute beasts if I remember correctly. Luckily you'll all have a ton of other options (one's that don't involve living in New Haven!)

Do you guys think the massacre will continue tomorrow?

I suspect yes but Yale is mysterious and unpredictable. Maybe tomorrow will be acceptances or waitlists?

[cc78]

I'm sorry to hear about the slaughter today. Most of you guys are absolute beasts if I remember correctly. Luckily you'll all have a ton of other options (one's that don't involve living in New Haven!)

Do you guys think the massacre will continue tomorrow?

I suspect yes but Yale is mysterious and unpredictable. Maybe tomorrow will be acceptances or waitlists?

The one thing we "know" is that waitlists don't come out until late late March/early April. I'm wondering if we can reasonably speculate about anything at this point. Like, if you're an early submitter (October-November) and you weren't dinged in the wave, are you somewhere in the FR process? Doesn't make sense to wait to inform auto-dings once you start releasing rejections.

[honey]

I'm sorry to hear about the slaughter today. Most of you guys are absolute beasts if I remember correctly. Luckily you'll all have a ton of other options (one's that don't involve living in New Haven!)

Do you guys think the massacre will continue tomorrow?

I suspect yes but Yale is mysterious and unpredictable. Maybe tomorrow will be acceptances or waitlists?

The one thing we "know" is that waitlists don't come out until late late March/early April. I'm wondering if we can reasonably speculate about anything at this point. Like, if you're an early submitter (October-November) and you weren't dinged in the wave, are you somewhere in the FR process? Doesn't make sense to wait to inform auto-dings once you start releasing rejections.

My guess it it means the people who were rejected were a combination of people who weren't selected for FR, and people who didn't make it through FR. I'd think the remaining people from the fall are ones who would have gotten an 11 (maybe even 10, not fully sure how it works), and are thus on the fence for admission. It looks like in past years people in this position might get admitted at any point through the end of the cycle, and also might get rejected/wait-listed at the end of it. Small sample size though.

I would say the process is unpredictable, but not mysterious--see below:

http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissi ... ecret.aspx

[ThePinkRanger]

I'm sorry to hear about the slaughter today. Most of you guys are absolute beasts if I remember correctly. Luckily you'll all have a ton of other options (one's that don't involve living in New Haven!)

Do you guys think the massacre will continue tomorrow?

I suspect yes but Yale is mysterious and unpredictable. Maybe tomorrow will be acceptances or waitlists?

The one thing we "know" is that waitlists don't come out until late late March/early April. I'm wondering if we can reasonably speculate about anything at this point. Like, if you're an early submitter (October-November) and you weren't dinged in the wave, are you somewhere in the FR process? Doesn't make sense to wait to inform auto-dings once you start releasing rejections.

I wonder--maybe! I would say that if you have good stats, you're probably under faculty review. Many of the people who were dinged yesterday could not have been auto-dings--they're too strong of candidates with full rides and acceptances as the top schools. So if you applied in the same batch with them, and your scores are phenomenal, and you've already had some solid acceptances, I'd imagine you're still under review (or pending an acceptance).

The other option might be that you are lower on the "to be reviewed" pile. I think the website says they review applications "roughly" in the order they are received. Ohhhhh, all of us soon-to-be-lawyers, does that word not scream incredible leeway? I wouldn't be surprised if, given any particular batch of applications, the higher stat apps are reviewed before the lower stat apps. So maybe if you're at the 25% LSAT with ONLY a 170, you're less likely to be reviewed as quickly as a 75% 176 (and there were quite a few 174-176s rejected yesterday). But this is pure speculation on my part.

[cc78]

I'm sorry to hear about the slaughter today. Most of you guys are absolute beasts if I remember correctly. Luckily you'll all have a ton of other options (one's that don't involve living in New Haven!)

Do you guys think the massacre will continue tomorrow?

I suspect yes but Yale is mysterious and unpredictable. Maybe tomorrow will be acceptances or waitlists?

The one thing we "know" is that waitlists don't come out until late late March/early April. I'm wondering if we can reasonably speculate about anything at this point. Like, if you're an early submitter (October-November) and you weren't dinged in the wave, are you somewhere in the FR process? Doesn't make sense to wait to inform auto-dings once you start releasing rejections.

I wonder--maybe! I would say that if you have good stats, you're probably under faculty review. Many of the people who were dinged yesterday could not have been auto-dings--they're too strong of candidates with full rides and acceptances as the top schools. So if you applied in the same batch with them, and your scores are phenomenal, and you've already had some solid acceptances, I'd imagine you're still under review (or pending an acceptance).

The other option might be that you are lower on the "to be reviewed" pile. I think the website says they review applications "roughly" in the order they are received. Ohhhhh, all of us soon-to-be-lawyers, does that word not scream incredible leeway? I wouldn't be surprised if, given any particular batch of applications, the higher stat apps are reviewed before the lower stat apps. So maybe if you're at the 25% LSAT with ONLY a 170, you're less likely to be reviewed as quickly as a 75% 176 (and there were quite a few 174-176s rejected yesterday). But this is pure speculation on my part.

I agree with your approach of sniffing out lawyerly parsing, but if this were even a little true, their other emphatic statement that when you apply doesn't affect your chance of admission couldn't really be true, could it?

It's also hard with Yale because though they have staggeringly high medians and 75ths, they really do care about softs. This means that a Yale auto-ding could conceivably be a 4.0/176 non-URM K-JD with no softs, they aren't an auto-ding anywhere but Yale.

I also tend to think that the faculty isn't operating on a tight timeframe for application review. These are very independently minded people who probably detest being put on a schedule in any circumstance. So, I can imagine some profs work through apps quickly while others are getting many gentle reminders from admissions about sending their scores along. I wonder if anyone admitted to this point has come through FR.

[strugglebus]

I also tend to think that the faculty isn't operating on a tight timeframe for application review. These are very independently minded people who probably detest being put on a schedule in any circumstance. So, I can imagine some profs work through apps quickly while others are getting many gentle reminders from admissions about sending their scores along. I wonder if anyone admitted to this point has come through FR.

+1. And with each app going through three different faculty members, there's a lot of potential for variance in the timeline totally independent of the applicant.

[ThePinkRanger]

I wonder--maybe! I would say that if you have good stats, you're probably under faculty review. Many of the people who were dinged yesterday could not have been auto-dings--they're too strong of candidates with full rides and acceptances as the top schools. So if you applied in the same batch with them, and your scores are phenomenal, and you've already had some solid acceptances, I'd imagine you're still under review (or pending an acceptance).

The other option might be that you are lower on the "to be reviewed" pile. I think the website says they review applications "roughly" in the order they are received. Ohhhhh, all of us soon-to-be-lawyers, does that word not scream incredible leeway? I wouldn't be surprised if, given any particular batch of applications, the higher stat apps are reviewed before the lower stat apps. So maybe if you're at the 25% LSAT with ONLY a 170, you're less likely to be reviewed as quickly as a 75% 176 (and there were quite a few 174-176s rejected yesterday). But this is pure speculation on my part.

I agree with your approach of sniffing out lawyerly parsing, but if this were even a little true, their other emphatic statement that when you apply doesn't affect your chance of admission couldn't really be true, could it?

It's also hard with Yale because though they have staggeringly high medians and 75ths, they really do care about softs. This means that a Yale auto-ding could conceivably be a 4.0/176 non-URM K-JD with no softs, they aren't an auto-ding anywhere but Yale.

I also tend to think that the faculty isn't operating on a tight timeframe for application review. These are very independently minded people who probably detest being put on a schedule in any circumstance. So, I can imagine some profs work through apps quickly while others are getting many gentle reminders from admissions about sending their scores along. I wonder if anyone admitted to this point has come through FR.

I think it could still be true. The issue above is how soon someone gets reviewed within stat parameters, not their likelihood of admission given that review timeline. Stats can still have an influence on when someone is reviewed even if your spot in the queue doesn't make you more or less likely to be accepted. Also, you could still have high stats reviewed first but have FR take as critical an eye toward softs and other qualifying factors as other, less high stats. I just think it's interesting that as far as our TLS people reported, there weren't many high 160s who were dinged yesterday (at least who posted their scores). It was strongly middle 170s. That could be a selection bias from the people who are on TLS, most definitely, or even those who were willing to share their scores. Like I said... total speculation on my part.

And you give a good alternative explanation regarding timeliness of decision notification--the faculty. There may be many apps of all stats stuck in a "gentle reminder" pile! Edited because I deleted the quotes and dang that looked long.

[honey]

I wonder--maybe! I would say that if you have good stats, you're probably under faculty review. Many of the people who were dinged yesterday could not have been auto-dings--they're too strong of candidates with full rides and acceptances as the top schools. So if you applied in the same batch with them, and your scores are phenomenal, and you've already had some solid acceptances, I'd imagine you're still under review (or pending an acceptance).

The other option might be that you are lower on the "to be reviewed" pile. I think the website says they review applications "roughly" in the order they are received. Ohhhhh, all of us soon-to-be-lawyers, does that word not scream incredible leeway? I wouldn't be surprised if, given any particular batch of applications, the higher stat apps are reviewed before the lower stat apps. So maybe if you're at the 25% LSAT with ONLY a 170, you're less likely to be reviewed as quickly as a 75% 176 (and there were quite a few 174-176s rejected yesterday). But this is pure speculation on my part.

I agree with your approach of sniffing out lawyerly parsing, but if this were even a little true, their other emphatic statement that when you apply doesn't affect your chance of admission couldn't really be true, could it?

It's also hard with Yale because though they have staggeringly high medians and 75ths, they really do care about softs. This means that a Yale auto-ding could conceivably be a 4.0/176 non-URM K-JD with no softs, they aren't an auto-ding anywhere but Yale.

I also tend to think that the faculty isn't operating on a tight timeframe for application review. These are very independently minded people who probably detest being put on a schedule in any circumstance. So, I can imagine some profs work through apps quickly while others are getting many gentle reminders from admissions about sending their scores along. I wonder if anyone admitted to this point has come through FR.

I think it could still be true. The issue above is how soon someone gets reviewed within stat parameters, not their likelihood of admission given that review timeline. Stats can still have an influence on when someone is reviewed even if your spot in the queue doesn't make you more or less likely to be accepted. Also, you could still have high stats reviewed first but have FR take as critical an eye toward softs and other qualifying factors as other, less high stats. I just think it's interesting that as far as our TLS people reported, there weren't many high 160s who were dinged yesterday (at least who posted their scores). It was strongly middle 170s. That could be a selection bias from the people who are on TLS, most definitely, or even those who were willing to share their scores. Like I said... total speculation on my part.

And you give a good alternative explanation regarding timeliness of decision notification--the faculty. There may be many apps of all stats stuck in a "gentle reminder" pile! Edited because I deleted the quotes and dang that looked long.

Granted, it's from 2007, but Dean Asha says in her blog post (I linked above http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissi ... ecret.aspx) they explicitly review in order and do not sort by stats.

[RSN]

Re: high 160s being dinged, not many on TLS but several mid-high 160s on LSN: http://yale.lawschoolnumbers.com/applic ... t=decision

[ThePinkRanger]

Granted, it's from 2007, but Dean Asha says in her blog post (I linked above http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissi ... ecret.aspx) they explicitly review in order and do not sort by stats.

In that case, my idea is wrong! Thanks honey.

[Berwyn85]

If I submitted on 1/2 but haven't received a 'complete' email yet, should I be worried enough to contact admissions?

There was another person in this boat who posted on page 16, and the responses were similar - looks like lots of people who submitted in January went complete within a few days - so it seems like it might be worth reaching out to admissions about it.

To follow up: I emailed admissions and they got back to me very quickly letting me know it was just a communication error, and I had gone complete on 1/12. I also got a complete email today, but I'm going to assume the date in the direct communication (rather than the robot email) is my official complete date.

[nosocat]

If I submitted on 1/2 but haven't received a 'complete' email yet, should I be worried enough to contact admissions?

There was another person in this boat who posted on page 16, and the responses were similar - looks like lots of people who submitted in January went complete within a few days - so it seems like it might be worth reaching out to admissions about it.

To follow up: I emailed admissions and they got back to me very quickly letting me know it was just a communication error, and I had gone complete on 1/12. I also got a complete email today, but I'm going to assume the date in the direct communication (rather than the robot email) is my official complete date.

Pretty sure that is a safe bet since they straight-up told you the robot email was erroneously delayed. Good to have it resolved though!

[bookworm381]

If I submitted on 1/2 but haven't received a 'complete' email yet, should I be worried enough to contact admissions?

There was another person in this boat who posted on page 16, and the responses were similar - looks like lots of people who submitted in January went complete within a few days - so it seems like it might be worth reaching out to admissions about it.

To follow up: I emailed admissions and they got back to me very quickly letting me know it was just a communication error, and I had gone complete on 1/12. I also got a complete email today, but I'm going to assume the date in the direct communication (rather than the robot email) is my official complete date.

Same here! I emailed them right after asking you guys, and they emailed back this morning saying that I went complete on 1/14

[ballcaps]

question for other applicants:

for the "college activities" part of the application, did you describe, as well as list, all those activities? most are already listed and described in my resume. just can't tell what exactly they're looking for here.

thanks a lot.

[leslieknope]

I just listed them out and put leadership positions and time commitment. I have more extensive descriptions on my resume, so it seemed redundant to add more.

[sneakyleo]

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[Fred Norris]

question for other applicants:

for the "college activities" part of the application, did you describe, as well as list, all those activities? most are already listed and described in my resume. just can't tell what exactly they're looking for here.

thanks a lot.

See page 14 of this thread for more discussion of the college and post-college activities sections.

Nice of you to dig back and find it!

[ballcaps]

question for other applicants:

for the "college activities" part of the application, did you describe, as well as list, all those activities? most are already listed and described in my resume. just can't tell what exactly they're looking for here.

thanks a lot.

See page 14 of this thread for more discussion of the college and post-college activities sections.

Nice of you to dig back and find it!

yes indeed - thanks!

so you guys wrote a few sentences about each activity?

there are only 2-3 activities that will be listed there that aren't on my resume already. should i briefly describe just those activities? or describe them all, even the ones already covered in the resume?

thanks for the input, it's very much appreciated.

[Fred Norris]

From last year - what followed the first big rejection wave? Acceptance wave? Another rejection wave? Or mixed?

[yot11]

From last year - what followed the first big rejection wave? Acceptance wave? Another rejection wave? Or mixed?

Don't count on any waves that aren't rejection or WL waves. Acceptances trickle in, presumably as candidates make it out of faculty review.

http://mylsn.info/d/yale/1314-NoED/