Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle) Forum

[alana b]

got my checker and complete. phew!

And the blackberry network is down so I didnt realize I had an email until I got home, maybe others are having the same problem with the phone thing?

[sfreuden]

Status checker and complete.

[BuckinghamB]

Status checker and complete.

Same here.

[JoeMo]

How tough are fee waivers at M? I'm applying either way, but i was hoping to save the $

I got one directly from the dean.

[BuckinghamB]

I got one directly from the dean.

Isn't that how all the merit-based waivers are (with the nice little note)?

[80eight]

Complete! So ten weeks from now will be...what, December 20th-ish?

[Tiago Splitter]

Complete! So ten weeks from now will be...what, December 20th-ish?

Where does it say ten weeks?

[spek]

Submitted!

[Yeshia90]

Complete! So ten weeks from now will be...what, December 20th-ish?

Where does it say ten weeks?

Scroll down:
http://www.law.umich.edu/PROSPECTIVESTU ... higan.aspx

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[Tiago Splitter]

Good stuff. Looks like they started sending acceptances in the middle of November last year. It won't be long...

[kulshan]

Good stuff. Looks like they started sending acceptances in the middle of November last year. It won't be long...

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[ahnhub]

Weird thing I noticed on LSN:

For the 09-10 and 10-11 cycles, Michigan accepted 27/35 (77%) with a 170/3.8-4.0
It only accepted 15/40 (38%) with a 171/identical GPA.

I know sample size caution applies and Michigan has a somewhat more holistic process, but that's a rather startling statistic. One point higher on the LSAT drops admission rate 40%? That can't be yield protect, can it? 171/3.8x are very likely to attend Michigan.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Weird thing I noticed on LSN:

For the 09-10 and 10-11 cycles, Michigan accepted 27/35 (77%) with a 170/3.8-4.0
It only accepted 15/40 (38%) with a 171/identical GPA.

I know sample size caution applies and Michigan has a somewhat more holistic process, but that's a rather startling statistic. One point higher on the LSAT drops admission rate 40%? That can't be yield protect, can it? 171/3.8x are very likely to attend Michigan.

Yes, it's yield protect.

[thelawyler]

All this talk of status checkers is making me check my email all the time

[ahnhub]

Weird thing I noticed on LSN:

For the 09-10 and 10-11 cycles, Michigan accepted 27/35 (77%) with a 170/3.8-4.0
It only accepted 15/40 (38%) with a 171/identical GPA.

I know sample size caution applies and Michigan has a somewhat more holistic process, but that's a rather startling statistic. One point higher on the LSAT drops admission rate 40%? That can't be yield protect, can it? 171/3.8x are very likely to attend Michigan.

Yes, it's yield protect.

Well, then I just don't get it. 170 3.8/4x is prob 50/50 to get one of CCN, <10% shot HYS. 171 doesn't increase those odds a whole lot. I played around with numbers a lot on LSN and haven't found a discrepancy anywhere near this big. Must be some fancy admissions thing.

[MumofCad]

Weird thing I noticed on LSN:

For the 09-10 and 10-11 cycles, Michigan accepted 27/35 (77%) with a 170/3.8-4.0
It only accepted 15/40 (38%) with a 171/identical GPA.

I know sample size caution applies and Michigan has a somewhat more holistic process, but that's a rather startling statistic. One point higher on the LSAT drops admission rate 40%? That can't be yield protect, can it? 171/3.8x are very likely to attend Michigan.

Yes, it's yield protect.

Well, then I just don't get it. 170 3.8/4x is prob 50/50 to get one of CCN, <10% shot HYS. 171 doesn't increase those odds a whole lot. I played around with numbers a lot on LSN and haven't found a discrepancy anywhere near this big. Must be some fancy admissions thing.

Remember, they aren't rejecting those people. They are WLing them. So if they don't get CCN, they send in a LOCI and can get in later. Start clicking in those ranges though and you will see almost all are attending CCN or HYS and hence, no LOCI and no late admittance. That is why Duke's PT is a brilliant invention. If you look down the list of Yalies, almost every single one that applied broadly was WL at either UVA, Penn, or Michigan. Usually not all of them, but at least one.

[thelaststraw05]

Weird thing I noticed on LSN:

For the 09-10 and 10-11 cycles, Michigan accepted 27/35 (77%) with a 170/3.8-4.0
It only accepted 15/40 (38%) with a 171/identical GPA.

I know sample size caution applies and Michigan has a somewhat more holistic process, but that's a rather startling statistic. One point higher on the LSAT drops admission rate 40%? That can't be yield protect, can it? 171/3.8x are very likely to attend Michigan.

Yes, it's yield protect.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=11

And frankly, there are reasons other than dramatic negatives that make an admissions officer disinclined to offer admission. What about the applicant who is just …. fine? There’s nothing wrong, but there’s no zing, no sense of connection, no firm conviction when you close the application file that you want to have that person in the class. Isn’t it reasonable for schools not to make offers to such candidates, if the school is in the fortunate position of having more than enough candidates who are academically strong and who do have some zing? What about the applicant who shows a strong interest in a field in which the school has little to offer? The student wouldn’t be happy there, and it seems to me entirely rational—and entirely not devious—not to admit.

[j12]

Weird thing I noticed on LSN:

For the 09-10 and 10-11 cycles, Michigan accepted 27/35 (77%) with a 170/3.8-4.0
It only accepted 15/40 (38%) with a 171/identical GPA.

I know sample size caution applies and Michigan has a somewhat more holistic process, but that's a rather startling statistic. One point higher on the LSAT drops admission rate 40%? That can't be yield protect, can it? 171/3.8x are very likely to attend Michigan.

Yes, it's yield protect.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=11

And frankly, there are reasons other than dramatic negatives that make an admissions officer disinclined to offer admission. What about the applicant who is just …. fine? There’s nothing wrong, but there’s no zing, no sense of connection, no firm conviction when you close the application file that you want to have that person in the class. Isn’t it reasonable for schools not to make offers to such candidates, if the school is in the fortunate position of having more than enough candidates who are academically strong and who do have some zing? What about the applicant who shows a strong interest in a field in which the school has little to offer? The student wouldn’t be happy there, and it seems to me entirely rational—and entirely not devious—not to admit.

The interview she links to from AdmissionsDean.com in that post is also a good read. It is slightly long.
http://www.admissionsdean.com/researchi ... h-zearfoss

[JoeMo]

I got one directly from the dean.

Isn't that how all the merit-based waivers are (with the nice little note)?

Oh, I'm not sure anymore. I'm getting so many from TTT that it confuses me. LOL

[baconpuffs]

Finally went complete. No status checker though.

[ignatiusr]

I'm rethinking my decision not to write any "Why X" essays. I'm above Michigan's 75s in GPA/LSAT, but it's still one of my top choices. However, there's nothing Michigan-specific in my application, and I didn't realize until a few days ago that they YPed. I'm wondering if I should write a Why Michigan now and e-mail it to the admissions office...

[Schola]

Weird thing I noticed on LSN:

For the 09-10 and 10-11 cycles, Michigan accepted 27/35 (77%) with a 170/3.8-4.0
It only accepted 15/40 (38%) with a 171/identical GPA.

I know sample size caution applies and Michigan has a somewhat more holistic process, but that's a rather startling statistic. One point higher on the LSAT drops admission rate 40%? That can't be yield protect, can it? 171/3.8x are very likely to attend Michigan.

Yes, it's yield protect.

For all I know you are probably correct, but b/c the sample size is relatively small statistically speaking, you can't rule out the possibility that the result is due to random chance. My stats knowledge is rusty, with a 75 data points for, say, a population of 400 (which is probably conservative, since I would be surprised if even 1 in 6 people actually put their results up on LSN), you could still only be 95% confident that the true result falls within plus or minus 10 or 15% of your result from your sample population. And that is assuming that your sample is representative of that actual population which, since we are dealing with self-section and self-reporting, there is no reason to think that it is.

This is all to say that you could be right, but I wouldn't put too much stake in those stats.

[Yeshia90]

Email, telling me they've got my application materials, but I won't get a status checker for another 3-4 weeks.

Not cool, Dean Z.

[Tiago Splitter]

Status checker. Complete.

[baconpuffs]

Just in case anyone was curious how Michigan handles these sorts of things...

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(I have no idea if this is real, but I hope it is, because it's hilarious.)