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[humph]

okay so just to be clear: do you have to be interviewed to be accepted?

[Hand]

okay so just to be clear: do you have to be interviewed to be accepted?

yes

[wonka]

okay so just to be clear: do you have to be interviewed to be accepted?

my understanding is basically yes, unless you're 180 & 4.0 & ghandi.

[humph]

okay so just to be clear: do you have to be interviewed to be accepted?

my understanding is basically yes, unless you're 180 & 4.0 & ghandi.

Thanks, as my wait gets longer i lose my mind.

[wonka]

okay so just to be clear: do you have to be interviewed to be accepted?

my understanding is basically yes, unless you're 180 & 4.0 & ghandi.

Thanks, as my wait gets longer i lose my mind.

i know, it's painful. there are a lot of people in the same position, though. just try to stay distracted and don't lose hope!

(the staying distracted part is toughest for me. working a boring office job with unlimited internet access it's F5 all day, e'ry day...)

[rseaney]

trying to distract myself from the thought of JS2s haha

[hayagreeva]

Question: Does anyone think the reason HLS is taking longer than usual is to reduce their entering class size? As such, maybe they are planning to admit less than the normal ~70% of JS1s?

[DetroitRed]

Question: Does anyone think the reason HLS is taking longer than usual is to reduce their entering class size? As such, maybe they are planning to admit less than the normal ~70% of JS1s?

I was thinking this earlier in the cycle.

Or perhaps they're forcing more people to go to the April ASW for some reason.

[mpc347]

Question: Does anyone think the reason HLS is taking longer than usual is to reduce their entering class size? As such, maybe they are planning to admit less than the normal ~70% of JS1s?

I was thinking this earlier in the cycle.

Or perhaps they're forcing more people to go to the April ASW for some reason.

I think they would have announced if they were reducing their class size.

[nosocat]

Question: Does anyone think the reason HLS is taking longer than usual is to reduce their entering class size? As such, maybe they are planning to admit less than the normal ~70% of JS1s?

I was thinking this earlier in the cycle.

Or perhaps they're forcing more people to go to the April ASW for some reason.

I think they would have announced if they were reducing their class size.

It could be a possibility they are keeping on the back burner ... See how many qualified applicants they get and then decide whether to do it? Sort of a sad thought though.

[rseaney]

i dunno, i feel like if HLS was decreasing its class size (significantly) that'd warrant a press release or something. pretty big deal: top producing law school is scaling down

[tonysoprano]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

[rseaney]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

nah i think we'd pick that up btwn LSN, horse thief, the fb page, and other folks we know applying

[mpc347]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

Nah. Pretty sure every stage of the cycle has been reported to have occurred later this year (first JS1s, first JS2s, first rejections). I think it is clear that they shifted their admissions policies/target dates this year. I also think it is highly unlikely they would decrease class size without publicly stating so at the beginning of the cycle.

Honestly I would just chalk this up to them shifting their admissions policies a little bit closer to, say, Yale's, insofar as waiting for more apps to come in before admitting people who are on the borderline (~median) to better gauge the quality of the incoming class. Probably there will be less advantage to applying early in this and future cycles.

[rseaney]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

Nah. Pretty sure every stage of the cycle has been reported to have occurred later this year (first JS1s, first JS2s, first rejections). I think it is clear that they shifted their admissions policies/target dates this year. I also think it is highly unlikely they would decrease class size without publicly stating so at the beginning of the cycle.

Honestly I would just chalk this up to them shifting their admissions policies a little bit closer to, say, Yale's, insofar as waiting for more apps to come in before admitting people who are on the borderline (~median) to better gauge the quality of the incoming class. Probably there will be less advantage to applying early in this and future cycles.

+1

[nosocat]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

Also drop in high-scoring applicants, maintaining percentiles, yada yada yada. But yeah, obviously it's total speculation and there's no serious reason to expect this is true.

[pylon]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here is a comparison at this point in the cycle:
Last year: 160 JS1s
This year: 153 JS1s

Last year: 109 JS2s
This year: 74 JS2s

Last year: 25 rejections
This year: 22 rejections

[LawBron James]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here is a comparison at this point in the cycle:
Last year: 160 JS1s
This year: 153 JS1s

Last year: 109 JS2s
This year: 74 JS2s

Last year: 25 rejections
This year: 22 rejections

Going off that, it seems like there is a JS2 wave coming fairly soon. The JS1 and ding numbers seem like they can be chalked up to variance, but that JS2 gap is pretty big.

[humph]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here is a comparison at this point in the cycle:
Last year: 160 JS1s
This year: 153 JS1s

Last year: 109 JS2s
This year: 74 JS2s

Last year: 25 rejections
This year: 22 rejections

Going off that, it seems like there is a JS2 wave coming fairly soon. The JS1 and ding numbers seem like they can be chalked up to variance, but that JS2 gap is pretty big.

Any guesses as to how large the next wave of dings will be? Seems to me they'd want to narrow the paper-trail.

[mpc347]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here is a comparison at this point in the cycle:
Last year: 160 JS1s
This year: 153 JS1s

Last year: 109 JS2s
This year: 74 JS2s

Last year: 25 rejections
This year: 22 rejections

Going off that, it seems like there is a JS2 wave coming fairly soon. The JS1 and ding numbers seem like they can be chalked up to variance, but that JS2 gap is pretty big.

Any guesses as to how large the next wave of dings will be? Seems to me they'd want to narrow the paper-trail.

It will be exactly 3 people.

[pylon]

My assumption is that TLS representation doesn't change drastically year-over-year. With that in mind, last cycle, there were 162 total JS2s reported. We know they offered 918 JS2s total (from their entering class profile).

162 / 918 = 17%.

TLS representation for HLS' entering class last cycle was 17%. Roughly for every 6 JS2s HLS offered, 1 was reported on TLS.

Although my assumption is that TLS representation doesn't change drastically year-over-year, I think it would be too simple to say: 74 reported JS2s this year / 0.17 = ~435 acceptances HLS has offered up until this point. Unfortunately, this knowledge of the representation of TLS doesn't give insight into where in the process HLS is currently. That could change the 435 estimate quite a bit. But thought I'd share anyways.

[pylon]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here is a comparison at this point in the cycle:
Last year: 160 JS1s
This year: 153 JS1s

Last year: 109 JS2s
This year: 74 JS2s

Last year: 25 rejections
This year: 22 rejections

Going off that, it seems like there is a JS2 wave coming fairly soon. The JS1 and ding numbers seem like they can be chalked up to variance, but that JS2 gap is pretty big.

Hopefully!

[IngmarKurosawa]

It seems like our only basis for speculating that HLS is decreasing its class size is the unusual nature of the cycle, right? Is it possible that less applicants have been reporting to TLS (for whatever reason), and thus maybe the cycle is actually more normal than possible? I could be totally off here, but this thinking allows for the possibility that there were unreported Thanksgiving JS2s, etc. Maybe Pylon's data could help with this - i.e. # of JS1's at each point in this cycle vs. last years? If JS1s remain constant each year (although that's a pretty big assumption, but just speculating here anyways), and TLS reported relatively many less of those, it could just be a result of sampling error?

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but here is a comparison at this point in the cycle:
Last year: 160 JS1s
This year: 153 JS1s

Last year: 109 JS2s
This year: 74 JS2s

Last year: 25 rejections
This year: 22 rejections

Going off that, it seems like there is a JS2 wave coming fairly soon. The JS1 and ding numbers seem like they can be chalked up to variance, but that JS2 gap is pretty big.

Hopefully!

I can't be bothered to find the quote, but a few people have said that they expect a JS2 wave next week, given that there's an ASW that first weekend in March.

[bookworm381]

Any predictions about which JS1s will hear back in the next wave of JS2s? LSN shows that there was a late Feb round of JS2s that consisted of JS1 dates through late Jan, and the March 9th JS2 wave got all the February dates. Obviously a bit different from the pattern this year (like everything else). If I recall correctly, last wave covered through mid-Jan JS1s. I'm thinking (read: hoping) this one may round up the late-Jans through mid-Febs

Edit: LSN data is from 2013-14, not this cycle

[bobleman300]

Been over 200 days since I applied. Anyone else in the same boat?

I have heard back from every other school I applied to already, so I'm trying to start making my decision!

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50<GPA<75