TLS c/o 2020 - In #Squad We Trust Forum

[proteinshake]

I feel like I'll probably end up gunning for D.C.

[Kaziende]

I've been living for two years in a cement hovel in the desert with no running water or electricity in a village of 1500 people. NYC sounds spectacular right about now.

[guynourmin]

gunning for D.C.

Isn't that just trying really really hard? Or is there something more to it?

[Monday]

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[Bearlyalive]

Also Berkeley gets love from me as a school because I would like to find a way to use privilege and institutional power to challenge "the system". CLS doesn't exactly seem like a place to do this.. though I may be wrong

I know I'm replying late to this, but fwiw I'm a 1L at CLS, and yesterday my classes covered almost nothing from our syllabuses because we spent the entire time talking about the legality and consequences of all the executive orders last week. One of our professors (who runs our immigration rights clinic) was one of the leading lawyers challenging the detainments in JFK airport in the EDNY. I know several professors who were otherwise unavailable this past week for similar reasons.

There's plenty of opportunity for institutional engagement and change at CLS if that's what you want to do. I wouldn't take my word on it though, but I would definitely recommend you look into the opportunities and culture at both schools thoroughly (I don't know crap about B).

[jjcorvino]

I feel like I'll probably end up gunning for D.C.

DC is a good city. However, it is not a NYC, LA/San Fran, or Chicago. There are definite limits on things to do here. The museums get old after you have seen them all the first year. If you are a political junkie (like me) there is always something to do, and the vibe of the city is very fun. There is nothing like hanging out at a happy hour at Union Pub/Cap lounge and hearing Hill staff gossiping or walking by the White House everyday on your way to work. I am excited to live in NYC, but I will definitely miss it here.

[Hennessy]

There are other big cities than NYC...it's not just a bunch of suburbs.

[Kopetz]

I feel like I'll probably end up gunning for D.C.

DC is a good city. However, it is not a NYC, LA/San Fran, or Chicago. There are definite limits on things to do here. The museums get old after you have seen them all the first year. If you are a political junkie (like me) there is always something to do, and the vibe of the city is very fun. There is nothing like hanging out at a happy hour at Union Pub/Cap lounge and hearing Hill staff gossiping or walking by the White House everyday on your way to work. I am excited to live in NYC, but I will definitely miss it here.

You've really gotta be into it though. I've been here three years and I'm pretty worn down by "so what do you do" social events and transactional relationships / networking.

It never does get old passing the WH and the Washington Monument every day, though.

[quigleyest]

Also Berkeley gets love from me as a school because I would like to find a way to use privilege and institutional power to challenge "the system". CLS doesn't exactly seem like a place to do this.. though I may be wrong

I know I'm replying late to this, but fwiw I'm a 1L at CLS, and yesterday my classes covered almost nothing from our syllabuses because we spent the entire time talking about the legality and consequences of all the executive orders last week. One of our professors (who runs our immigration rights clinic) was one of the leading lawyers challenging the detainments in JFK airport in the EDNY. I know several professors who were otherwise unavailable this past week for similar reasons.

There's plenty of opportunity for institutional engagement and change at CLS if that's what you want to do. I wouldn't take my word on it though, but I would definitely recommend you look into the opportunities and culture at both schools thoroughly (I don't know crap about B).

Thanks for the post. Right now I am looking to increase my LSAT to 175+ and put myself in contention for a Butler. If I am able to do that, I feel like it would be tough for me to not choose Columbia, especially if B offers less money

[Bob loblaw law blog]

I feel like I'll probably end up gunning for D.C.

DC is a good city. However, it is not a NYC, LA/San Fran, or Chicago. There are definite limits on things to do here. The museums get old after you have seen them all the first year. If you are a political junkie (like me) there is always something to do, and the vibe of the city is very fun. There is nothing like hanging out at a happy hour at Union Pub/Cap lounge and hearing Hill staff gossiping or walking by the White House everyday on your way to work. I am excited to live in NYC, but I will definitely miss it here.

Yep. DC has plenty to offer, but make sure you know what you are getting into as far as the town's culture and such. I'm personally looking to get away from it, at least at first. I wouldn't mind it later down the line though.

[proteinshake]

I feel like I'll probably end up gunning for D.C.

DC is a good city. However, it is not a NYC, LA/San Fran, or Chicago. There are definite limits on things to do here. The museums get old after you have seen them all the first year. If you are a political junkie (like me) there is always something to do, and the vibe of the city is very fun. There is nothing like hanging out at a happy hour at Union Pub/Cap lounge and hearing Hill staff gossiping or walking by the White House everyday on your way to work. I am excited to live in NYC, but I will definitely miss it here.

Yep. DC has plenty to offer, but make sure you know what you are getting into as far as the town's culture and such. I'm personally looking to get away from it, at least at first. I wouldn't mind it later down the line though.

good to know! I've been to DC a few times but have only been to LA sand NYC when I was really young. probably going to make a trip to NYC sometime before 1L starts.

[jjcorvino]

I feel like I'll probably end up gunning for D.C.

DC is a good city. However, it is not a NYC, LA/San Fran, or Chicago. There are definite limits on things to do here. The museums get old after you have seen them all the first year. If you are a political junkie (like me) there is always something to do, and the vibe of the city is very fun. There is nothing like hanging out at a happy hour at Union Pub/Cap lounge and hearing Hill staff gossiping or walking by the White House everyday on your way to work. I am excited to live in NYC, but I will definitely miss it here.

You've really gotta be into it though. I've been here three years and I'm pretty worn down by "so what do you do" social events and transactional relationships / networking.

It never does get old passing the WH and the Washington Monument every day, though.

Yeah, my fiance gets pretty annoyed by the culture here. I enjoy it because I am involved in that scene. I imagine it is a bit like gunners in law school though, there are some people that take it too far here. However, most people are normal and are generally interested in what you do because they are also super passionate.

There is also another thing that I love about the political culture of DC; people that live here and work in politics generally know how to have civil discussions and disagreements without ruining friendships. When I am back home, I have friends that I would never even mention my job to because of the backlash. Here, I have friends that are ultra-conservatives working on the hill (and now in the administration). We definitely disagree on a lot, but we have fun ribbing eachother and really make it into more of a joke. It never ruins our friendships. They like my instagram/facebook posts of pictures with POTUS (well, not anymore) just like I like their snapshot of an inauguration party with Paul Ryan .

[airwrecka]

Really enjoying the discussion in this thread re: cities. I have lived in the Midwest my whole life, and something I'm most excited for LS is LEAVING and experiencing somewhere new. Right now I'm leaning heavily toward NYC, but this discussion is making me think twice! I do plan to visit Berkeley, NYU, and CLS (+ other schools) before making any decisions, though, so hopefully a short trip can show me whether or not I can handle the next 3 years living in whatever city I end up in!

Also,

no, I legitimately had the same question this morning when I woke up. I looked at my husband and said "I am very worried about where this country is going." I did read this article in the Atlantic, though, that both terrified and encouraged me: clicky clicky

The thing that concerns me the most is that the people who voted for Trump (okay, not all of them, but a LOT of them) don't care that he has created this fascist shit show. They elected him because this is the kind of crap he promised. And apparently they don't realize (or don't want to acknowledge) the implications of how messed up this makes our government.

[S.Picquery]

Really enjoying the discussion in this thread re: cities. I have lived in the Midwest my whole life, and something I'm most excited for LS is LEAVING and experiencing somewhere new. Right now I'm leaning heavily toward NYC, but this discussion is making me think twice! I do plan to visit Berkeley, NYU, and CLS (+ other schools) before making any decisions, though, so hopefully a short trip can show me whether or not I can handle the next 3 years living in whatever city I end up in!

Also,

no, I legitimately had the same question this morning when I woke up. I looked at my husband and said "I am very worried about where this country is going." I did read this article in the Atlantic, though, that both terrified and encouraged me: clicky clicky

The thing that concerns me the most is that the people who voted for Trump (okay, not all of them, but a LOT of them) don't care that he has created this fascist shit show. They elected him because this is the kind of crap he promised. And apparently they don't realize (or don't want to acknowledge) the implications of how messed up this makes our government.

If you are considering NYC, know that CLS, and NYU have very different vibes. Their opportunities are pretty similar from what I can see, but the ability to live in a bubble is enhanced by CLS's location within the city in a way that the set-up at NYU won't allow for as readily. Of course, I'm a 0L also, so grain of salt. But, that's what I've heard from friends at both schools who went there for UG and LS.

[Kopetz]

I feel like I'll probably end up gunning for D.C.

DC is a good city. However, it is not a NYC, LA/San Fran, or Chicago. There are definite limits on things to do here. The museums get old after you have seen them all the first year. If you are a political junkie (like me) there is always something to do, and the vibe of the city is very fun. There is nothing like hanging out at a happy hour at Union Pub/Cap lounge and hearing Hill staff gossiping or walking by the White House everyday on your way to work. I am excited to live in NYC, but I will definitely miss it here.

You've really gotta be into it though. I've been here three years and I'm pretty worn down by "so what do you do" social events and transactional relationships / networking.

It never does get old passing the WH and the Washington Monument every day, though.

Yeah, my fiance gets pretty annoyed by the culture here. I enjoy it because I am involved in that scene. I imagine it is a bit like gunners in law school though, there are some people that take it too far here. However, most people are normal and are generally interested in what you do because they are also super passionate.

There is also another thing that I love about the political culture of DC; people that live here and work in politics generally know how to have civil discussions and disagreements without ruining friendships. When I am back home, I have friends that I would never even mention my job to because of the backlash. Here, I have friends that are ultra-conservatives working on the hill (and now in the administration). We definitely disagree on a lot, but we have fun ribbing eachother and really make it into more of a joke. It never ruins our friendships. They like my instagram/facebook posts of pictures with POTUS (well, not anymore) just like I like their snapshot of an inauguration party with Paul Ryan .

Agreed on the last part for sure. My day-job surrounds me with people of a mostly similar ideological bent, but nights I work with (among other people) staffers from a lot of different Congressional offices. It's a good reminder of civility and shared humanity, even if I'd find some of their ideas monstrous.

[Rigo]

I've also had friends confirm that Columbia is very biglaw corporate oriented whereas NYU has a larger and more active PI community by far. Not to say that Columbia doesn't have the support for PI-oriented students, but there is a very noticeable difference between the student bodies.

eta: Columbia arguably has the better LRAP now, but it's hard to shake the culture overnight or even over a few years.

[airwrecka]

I've also had friends confirm that Columbia is very biglaw corporate oriented whereas NYU has a larger and more active PI community by far. Not to say that Columbia doesn't have the support for PI-oriented students, but there is a very noticeable difference between the student bodies.

If you are considering NYC, know that CLS, and NYU have very different vibes. Their opportunities are pretty similar from what I can see, but the ability to live in a bubble is enhanced by CLS's location within the city in a way that the set-up at NYU won't allow for as readily. Of course, I'm a 0L also, so grain of salt. But, that's what I've heard from friends at both schools who went there for UG and LS.

Thanks for both of these insights. Rigo, I've heard that, too, and it's more likely that I'll get a scholly at NYU and I'm also PI oriented so that's actually good news haha. S.Picquery, by that do you mean that CLS is more centralized and NYU is less-so? I'd love to hear you elaborate because I'm curious (even if you are just a 0L )

[Rigo]

I think he means that Columbia is more of a bubble because it is off the beaten path a little more all the way up in Morningside Heights whereas NYU is located in a way better neighborhood with more stuff going on off-campus. NYU is more convenient to get to on public transit from all directions too so it wouldn't surprise me if NYU students live further away from campus in all directions whereas Columbia student live closer to campus.

counterpoint: nyu friends have told me there is a pretty active social scene amongst 1L's, especially if you live in the dorms/campus apartments so it really is what you make of it.
I liked NYU more than Columbia on my visit for intangible reasons like ~*feel*~ but I would definitely make a strictly objective decision if I got both, so f the feelings.

[airwrecka]

I think he means that Columbia is more of a bubble because it is off the beaten path a little more all the way up in Morningside Heights whereas NYU is located in a way better neighborhood with more stuff going on off-campus. NYU is more convenient to get to on public transit from all directions too so it wouldn't surprise me if NYU students live further away from campus in all directions whereas Columbia student live closer to campus.

counterpoint: nyu friends have told me there is a pretty active social scene amongst 1L's, especially if you live in the dorms/campus apartments so it really is what you make of it.
I liked NYU more than Columbia on my visit for intangible reasons like ~*feel*~ but I would definitely make a strictly objective decision if I got both, so f the feelings.

thanks for the response

[S.Picquery]

I think he means that Columbia is more of a bubble because it is off the beaten path a little more all the way up in Morningside Heights whereas NYU is located in a way better neighborhood with more stuff going on off-campus. NYU is more convenient to get to on public transit from all directions too so it wouldn't surprise me if NYU students live further away from campus in all directions whereas Columbia student live closer to campus.

Exactly. Plus, it's (in my experience) much easier to find affordable (for NYC, so not really "affordable") housing near CLS. It allows you to cloister yourself if you want, whereas almost all the NYU students I know travel to school like most of us commute to our jobs.

Also, +1 to Rigo's thoughts on BL vs. PI focuses. This is very much what I've seen/heard. Not that there aren't opportunities (and good ones) for PI at CLS, but it isn't the same kind of culture for it as NYU, not anymore. In fact a friend even transferred from CLS to NYU because of it. But, I always lean more toward CLS bc my UG were spent hating on transplant NYU students. It's tradition.

[Leliana]

I think he means that Columbia is more of a bubble because it is off the beaten path a little more all the way up in Morningside Heights whereas NYU is located in a way better neighborhood with more stuff going on off-campus. NYU is more convenient to get to on public transit from all directions too so it wouldn't surprise me if NYU students live further away from campus in all directions whereas Columbia student live closer to campus.

Yup, this. To me, Columbia has a much more traditional college campus feel and is more isolated (not that this is a bad thing) up in Morningside Heights. NYU is in the middle of Manhattan and much more integrated into the city around it (and most people do live further - my graduate friends at NYU all live 30+ min away whereas my graduate friends at Columbia live within walking distance). I don't think one is better or worse than the other, it just comes down to personal preference and the vibe you prefer.

[Rigo]

On an unrelated note, I've had PI attorneys actively shit on their PI experience at Chicago and tell me not to go there. I wasn't planning on going anyways since I'm from New York, but I was taken aback since most people tend to trump up (is this phrase triggering now? ) their alma mater.

[S.Picquery]

On an unrelated note, I've had PI attorneys actively shit on their PI experience at Chicago and tell me not to go there. I wasn't planning on going anyways since I'm from New York, but I was taken aback since most people tend to trump up (is this phrase triggering now? ) their alma mater.

I'm triggered af. But, thanks for posting that. It's actually super helpful.

[airwrecka]

Seriously, thank you for all the insight about NYU vs CLS everyone! I appreciate it.

On an unrelated note, I've had PI attorneys actively shit on their PI experience at Chicago and tell me not to go there. I wasn't planning on going anyways since I'm from New York, but I was taken aback since most people tend to trump up (is this phrase triggering now? ) their alma mater.

I have definitely heard this, too, and now Chicago is pretty much off my radar. I also realized that as much as I love the city of Chicago, I do not want to live in the neighborhood of UChi.

[Rigo]

For people truly dedicated to PI, a big focus should be on LRAP programs.
Here is a helpful jumping off point:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1769017008
Definitely read the fine print on each school's website though to learn how the actual program works and the contribution limits, etc.

I encourage you to all meet with (or atleast contact) financial aid people at the different schools when you have it narrowed down to a few choices since it can all be pretty confusing. I've spent hours already learning about LRAP since I didn't even know what negative amortization was at first.