Chicago c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle) Forum

[Xifeng]

I'm sick. My GPA went from near-75th to the median. I can't believe I don't have a strong GPA any more

The worst part is that they took 14 fewer students. Why didn't they take the full 205?

What was that about full ride to NU ED students?

The 205 was a result of over-enrollment from last year; Chicago usually has around 180-190 students per class.

They didn't take ANYONE off the waitlist that year or anything (as opposed to this year, where I hear they did as late as last week)

[Tiago Splitter]

Chicago 25% GPA now puts them squarely in line with HYS. Scary. They might just be going with a 3.7 GPA floor like Harvard soon enough.

[uchi15hopeful]

I'm sick. My GPA went from near-75th to the median. I can't believe I don't have a strong GPA any more

The worst part is that they took 14 fewer students. Why didn't they take the full 205?

What was that about full ride to NU ED students?

The 205 was a result of over-enrollment from last year; Chicago usually has around 180-190 students per class.

They didn't take ANYONE off the waitlist that year or anything (as opposed to this year, where I hear they did as late as last week)

Thanks for that info!

[MumofCad]

Does anyone know what the profiles of the Rubenstein's look like? Maybe current students?

With these new numbers I fear that the requirements are now like a 4.0/176+. Sure 20 schollies makes a huge difference, but to bump the GPA like that, at least a few have to be reserved for people with 4.0+. Awesome to have one's chance dashed by 2 questions on the LSAT and an undergraduate grading policy that gave no credit for a high A.

[Tiago Splitter]

Here is a listing of everybody who received at least 100K from Chicago last year:

http://chicago.lawschoolnumbers.com/app ... 00&type=jd

The only one that we definitely know accepted was 172/3.88.

I think it's safe to say that just about all of the Rubensteins will go to people above both medians. You can probably mix in a couple of high-powered URMs in there too.

[MumofCad]

Here is a listing of everybody who received at least 100K from Chicago last year:

http://chicago.lawschoolnumbers.com/app ... 00&type=jd

The only one that we definitely know accepted was 172/3.88.

I think it's safe to say that just about all of the Rubensteins will go to people above both medians. You can probably mix in a couple of high-powered URMs in there too.

Thanks! Very helpful. Alright, I feel better. I was thinking they would be significantly above both 75ths, being above one and then safely above median on the other seems to qualify.

[acadec]

Jesus...I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth the application fee.

[j12]

Here is a listing of everybody who received at least 100K from Chicago last year:

http://chicago.lawschoolnumbers.com/app ... 00&type=jd

The only one that we definitely know accepted was 172/3.88.

I think it's safe to say that just about all of the Rubensteins will go to people above both medians. You can probably mix in a couple of high-powered URMs in there too.

I hope this doesn't come across as extremely stupid.
Is there a point at throwing the Ruby$ to URMs that don't have #s above both medians? I don't think anyone reports URM stats separately, so you don't really need high # URMs, just URMs that don't hurt your overall stats. I thought schools tried to get a decently diverse class, and there's proportionally less high # URMs, and that is why URMs somtimes can get in with subpar admissions #s. Chicago may need to give a URM $ to convince him to attend over a peer, but I don't see it making sense to give a Ruby to a URM that wouldn't be competitive for it regardless of status.

I feel like a prick for writing that, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. Not trying to start any type of debate, just trying to see if I understand things correctly.

[Tiago Splitter]

Is there a point at throwing the Ruby$ to URMs that don't have #s above both medians? I don't think anyone reports URM stats separately, so you don't really need high # URMs, just URMs that don't hurt your overall stats.

It's a great question. I could see a URM with a 168/3.75 getting that kind of money, because you are essentially buying them away from YHS. At the same time, Chicago keeps its 25th percentile numbers in place. I know US News doesn't care about 25ths, but they are published, and Chicago's 25% GPA went up so much this last cycle that the school certainly seems to care.

[soj]

Maybe splitter/reverse-splitter URMs are more likely to get money than URMs just below both medians? Not sure. I think URMs are in such high demand that just getting enough of them to come would require giving out $.

[Tiago Splitter]

Maybe splitter/reverse-splitter URMs are more likely to get money than URMs just below both medians? Not sure. I think URMs are in such high demand that just getting enough of them to come would require giving out $.

Great point. The 164/3.9 URM is a huge catch for a school with a high 3.8s GPA median.

[j12]

Maybe splitter/reverse-splitter URMs are more likely to get money than URMs just below both medians? Not sure. I think URMs are in such high demand that just getting enough of them to come would require giving out $.

Great point. The 164/3.9 URM is a huge catch for a school with a high 3.8s GPA median.

right you gotta attract the URMs so you'll have to give competitive money, but it's likely they're competing for URMs below both medians or even 25%. Once you're below the 25% it doesn't really matter how far below you are, so why bother throwing bigger $ that way when you want to use the Ruby$ to keep medians high?

[Tiago Splitter]

Maybe splitter/reverse-splitter URMs are more likely to get money than URMs just below both medians? Not sure. I think URMs are in such high demand that just getting enough of them to come would require giving out $.

Great point. The 164/3.9 URM is a huge catch for a school with a high 3.8s GPA median.

right you gotta attract the URMs so you'll have to give competitive money, but it's likely they're competing for URMs below both medians or even 25%. Once you're below the 25% it doesn't really matter how far below you are, so why bother throwing bigger $ that way when you want to use the Ruby$ to keep medians high?

In a vacuum I can see where you are coming from. But the experience would be pretty ugly for the URMs who get into Chicago with both numbers well below the 25th. If all or most of the URMs fell into this boat it could backfire.

Chicago's medians, and even their 25ths, are so high that to attract URMs with those kinds of numbers requires significant money regardless. The 164/3.9 mentioned earlier is likely getting Harvard. Balance that out with a 171/3.4 URM and you are still giving two huge scholarships while trying to maintain medians.

So the answer is that I have no idea.

[MumofCad]

The whole URM thing is a mystery to me - do they get something for having a certain enrollment?

I guess it just strikes me as odd because I personalize it. I'm from a mixed race family, my brother is black and thus a URM, but we were raised in the exact same family with all the same opportunities, values, etc. I do think my brother and I are totally different people, but based much more on a right-brain/left-brain division than anything else.

[j12]

So the answer is that I have no idea.

This is what I should really say and then shut up.

[luxxe]

Chicago came to my school for recruiting day:

LSAT:
75th/25th: 173/167
Median: 171

GPA:
75th/25th: 3.94/3.71
Median 3.87

Looks like the Ruby helped get that GPA median up to absurd levels.

Low-ish LSAT 25th gives me hope.

[cmckid]

A question for all the Chicago veterans.

With a 3.25 GPA, will a flat 180 even get me into Chicago? Chicago has been at the top of my list since I decided on law school, and the more I hear, the more I want to be there. Is it possible for a 3.25 to get into Chicago, even with any score? And where do you think the cutoff would be?

[j12]

A question for all the Chicago veterans.

With a 3.25 GPA, will a flat 180 even get me into Chicago? Chicago has been at the top of my list since I decided on law school, and the more I hear, the more I want to be there. Is it possible for a 3.25 to get into Chicago, even with any score? And where do you think the cutoff would be?

only one green dot below 3.3 on last year and that's with URM status
one from 2008-09 that was an engineering major
A few more in earlier years.

So not impossible. Just very unlikely. I still say go for it. Good luck.

[kulshan]

Submitted!

[defrutamadre]

Submitted!

me too!! and loving this quick turn around--file already complete!

[Curious1]

Got the status checker, but here's a nail-biting neurotic worry.

TOTALLY did not read the instructions closely and submitted my regular resume without hours/week on the extra-curriculars. Thoughts on how bad this is?

[Bildungsroman]

Got the status checker, but here's a nail-biting neurotic worry.

TOTALLY did not read the instructions closely and submitted my regular resume without hours/week on the extra-curriculars. Thoughts on how bad this is?

I remember a lot of people did this last year (I think I forgot to include it as well, but I'm not sure). I don't think it was chance-crushing for anyone.

And good luck to all the recent submitters.

[JamMasterJ]

Chicago came to my school for recruiting day:

LSAT:
75th/25th: 173/167
Median: 171

GPA:
75th/25th: 3.94/3.71
Median 3.87

Looks like the Ruby helped get that GPA median up to absurd levels.

Low-ish LSAT 25th gives me hope.

How did the 25% get so damn high? I'm screwed

[Xifeng]

Got the status checker, but here's a nail-biting neurotic worry.

TOTALLY did not read the instructions closely and submitted my regular resume without hours/week on the extra-curriculars. Thoughts on how bad this is?

Yeah I didn't do that and I was fine. Try not to freak out too much about it

[American_in_China]

I'll be applying! Hopefully my Oct. LSAT will be high enough to carry my low GPA.