WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle) Forum

[Hoosier2]

How long did it take people between the acceptance email and receiving their acceptance package?

[Lebrarian_Booker]

How long did it take people between the acceptance email and receiving their acceptance package?

"Acceptance packet" was one 8.5x11 sheet of paper saying the same thing as the email.

[JustHawkin]

How long did it take people between the acceptance email and receiving their acceptance package?

Couple weeks to just get a letter. Most correspondance is via email.

[Lebrarian_Booker]

btw guys, we almost have more pages than the Yale and Stanford threads combined

[rion91]

btw guys, we almost have more pages than the Yale and Stanford threads combined

Oh really?

[DoveBodyWash]

btw guys, we almost have more pages than the Yale and Stanford threads combined

Oh really?

my class got to 199, I trust you guys can top that

[Banshee]

Any recommends on a nice hotel close to campus? I'm trying to determine when I can come visit, and if I'm traveling alone, I don't want to end up in some gross hotel in a creepy part of town. <I watch criminal minds, I know what's up>

[chingwoo]

Undercover adcomms guys.

Secrets aren't fun Rion!

Do not underestimate admissions. They know all.

Did they out EVERYONE in March, or just the more outspoken?

AD walked up and said "ok who are you on TopLawSchools?" and went around the whole group of us standing there.

how in the world

Wait she knew everyones TLS handles? I talked to her and she didn't say anything. Mysteries, mysteries, mysteries.

[rion91]

btw guys, we almost have more pages than the Yale and Stanford threads combined

Oh really?

my class got to 199, I trust you guys can top that

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[Lebrarian_Booker]

btw guys, we almost have more pages than the Yale and Stanford threads combined

Oh really?

my class got to 199, I trust you guys can top that

that edit

[DoveBodyWash]

that edit

lol opted to be encouraging

Wait she knew everyones TLS handles? I talked to her and she didn't say anything. Mysteries, mysteries, mysteries.

Yeah don't underestimate the power of admissions....and their friends who are TLS regulars. In general there isn't anything to worry about though lol, literally everyone who's looks at TLS knows who I am. I had to make a separate alt account (it was sanctioned) when I was considering transferring. But other than that, it doesn't matter if they know who you are lol

[rion91]

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lol opted to be encouraging

Wait she knew everyones TLS handles? I talked to her and she didn't say anything. Mysteries, mysteries, mysteries.

Yeah don't underestimate the power of admissions....and their friends who are TLS regulars. In general there isn't anything to worry about though lol, literally everyone who's looks at TLS knows who I am. I had to make a separate alt account (it was sanctioned) when I was considering transferring. But other than that, it doesn't matter if they know who you are lol

Sanctioned?

[bound]

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lol opted to be encouraging

Wait she knew everyones TLS handles? I talked to her and she didn't say anything. Mysteries, mysteries, mysteries.

Yeah don't underestimate the power of admissions....and their friends who are TLS regulars. In general there isn't anything to worry about though lol, literally everyone who's looks at TLS knows who I am. I had to make a separate alt account (it was sanctioned) when I was considering transferring. But other than that, it doesn't matter if they know who you are lol

Sanctioned?

Um yeah do you care to explain that little story?

[DoveBodyWash]

Um yeah do you care to explain that little story?

lol which part?

[Lebrarian_Booker]

[JustHawkin]

Um yeah do you care to explain that little story?

lol which part?

We got time...

[DoveBodyWash]

Um yeah do you care to explain that little story?

lol which part?

We got time...

about the transferring?

[bound]

Um yeah do you care to explain that little story?

lol which part?

We got time...

about the transferring?

ABOUT THE DAMN SANCTIONS

[rion91]

someone's jimmies bout to get wustled

[DoveBodyWash]

ABOUT THE DAMN SANCTIONS

I got permission from the mods to make an alternate account to post in the transfer threads so I could explore the options without my entire school watching lol, normally you're not allowed to have multiple accounts.

[BlackCanary]

I'm more interested in why you were considering transferring, if it's not too personal.

[mes10d]

I'm more interested in why you were considering transferring, if it's not too personal.

+1

[DoveBodyWash]

I'm more interested in why you were considering transferring, if it's not too personal.

Sure. To preface this, my friends told me there would be anarchy if Cusenation ever disavowed WUSTL and left for another school.

It wasn't something I even considered until after I got my first semester grades. The only way I would forfeit a full ride and incur the expenses/inconveniences of moving to a different city would be if I had HYSCCN options. Data showed that I was pretty secure to be admitted to UChicago via Early Decision and that I had a pretty secure shot at NYU and CLS if I maintained my performance through the Spring term. Harvard and Stanford were within reach but not secure, i needed to do a little better for them, but they were within the realm of possibility since I could conceivably do better this semester.

It's hard not to consider the option when those schools are on the table. I would probably get the same-or-similar job from WUSTL since I only want BigLaw. If I was interested in clerking or academia, then I would probably leave. But the WUSTL kids with my grades usually have the option to work at the same firms that the HYSCCN kids do (minus Wachtell i guess).

But ultimately those schools offer a level of prestige that can't be matched by WUSTL (or any other school below them). And the markets I'm targeting (Boston, NYC, DC) tend to be more prestige-obsessed than others. So it wasn't that I had anything to lose by staying at WUSTL, I just had a lot to gain by attending HYSCCN in terms of prestige and alumni network.

I had some honest talks with CSO, faculty, my parents, practicing attorneys at major Vault firms, WUSTL students who had transferred (to UChi and Harvard). Ultimately it became clear that there were situations where it made sense and where it didn't.

Unfortunately I don't have Harvard-goals. I'm not gunning to become partner at one of these megafirms (even if I wanted to, I know for a fact i would change my mind once I was in the trenches). I'm not trying to clerk for SCOTUS or make a big name for myself in government or something. I just want to practice law in the private sector and have a chance at having a life outside of work. Not only would I have to borrow Harvard-level-loans for non-Harvard-goals, once you attend those schools, there's an expectation that you commit to the prestige/money rat race. You don't go to Harvard and then go to an AmLaw 200. You don't go to Columbia to work for the local DA's office. You go to HYSCCN to take advantage of their placement in the Vault megafirms. Some people told me that I could transfer to HYSCCN, then just go to a smaller-mid-level-firm. But that didn't make sense to me. Any added prestige I would get from attending those schools wouldn't really help me in those firms. The prestige currency has its maximum worth in the hallowed halls of academia and megafirms, not in the lifestyle AmLaw 200 firm where the attorneys get to spend time with their families.

There were other soft considerations too. I like WUSTL and my friends/classmates. The thought of having to make new friends again and network with professors all over again wasn't appealing. But those are things that I would have overcome if I had decided to leave i guess, but they were still considerations.

Finally, I know for a fact that I'm not hungry enough to survive the 5-7 years in BigLaw to pay off those loans. Doing well 1L year is nothing compared to working 90-100 hour weeks for 5-7 years in a BigLaw environment. Especially because I have personal goals that conflict with that lifestyle (namely getting married and starting a family).

One of the biggest ironies I see among 0L's: They attend T14 at sticker because they're too cautious to assume that they'll be top 33-25% at a lower ranked law school, but they're bold enough to think they can survive 5-7 years in BigLaw. That doesn't make sense. If you're cautious enough to think you'll only be median, then you should also be cautious enough to assume that you won't survive the requisite years in BigLaw to pay off T14 loans. Based on my own experience, doing sufficiently well in 1L isn't extremely difficult. And based on what I've heard/read, doing well in 1L is hilariously easy compared to surviving that many years in BigLaw in this market.

Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions

[AceDeuces]

You just made me feel a million times better. The language on my offer was really strict and made it seem like the second I make any sort of sudden movement I'm out lol

And hey, one of the schools is Michigan

MICHIGAN?! You know what's in Michigan? Detroit. Detroit is awful so Michigan is awful. Simple reasoning, really.

Easy boss. Michigan is easily in the top 5 states in the Union.

As for what we are referring to Wash U as, my vote is for the WU-Law Clan.

[yossarian]

First cuse, thanks for being so open.

Question though. It seems to me that you would like to partner at a decent size decently respected firm? That seems to be the way to a life outside of work in private practice right? Not so big you're constantly gunning, not so small you're constantly hustling?

In my city anyway, in this type of firm, it seems HYSCCN(+Mich, NU) are over-represented as partners compared to associates. So I assumed that partnering at these was still prestige oriented to a degree? Did you come to this conclusion as well? Am I off-base?