TLS c/o 2020 - In #Squad We Trust Forum

[NotAGolfer]

Yes, the "crust" in a cheesecake is very different from what's considered a crust in other pies.

how? crushed graham crackers + a little butter + pressure. Its the same as a key lime pie crust, isn't it?

Ooh I forgot about key lime pie

[asuddenarborealstop]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

But...ice cream cake

There are two kinds of ice cream cake. With a layer of actual cake is clearly a cake. But with no cake and just layers of ice cream and frosting, isn't a true cake; I'd argue that's a bombe.

[R. Jeeves]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

But...ice cream cake

doesnt ice cream cake have an actual cake component though?

eta: scooped by asuddenarborealstop

[Schneidersbetter]

It's called cheesecake not cheesepie. This is not complicated

Dunno, when it comes to cake and pie think I'm gonna have to trust the pretzel...

[guynourmin]

As far as a cake with a crust goes, one may argue that sponge/pound/lemon cakes have crusts. Or any cake that is baked like a loaf.

I could see a persuasive argument being made there. I'm not ready to concede this point, but I could see it going somewhere. IF one could be made, though, then a crustless cheesecake also actually has a crust.

[ashrice13]

Is this what LS is going to be like? Pls say yes.

[Pozzo]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

Flourless chocolate cake contains neither flour nor leavening agent.

Then it's a tort.

A SweetTort?

[Schneidersbetter]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

But...ice cream cake

doesnt ice cream cake have an actual cake component though?

eta: scooped by asuddenarborealstop

Scooping ice cream cake would be utter sacrilege

[R. Jeeves]

Guys, the word "cake" is in the name. It's self-categorized. Get outta here with your crust and no-bake cheesecake talk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish

[asuddenarborealstop]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

Flourless chocolate cake contains neither flour nor leavening agent.

But it uses egg whites to leaven the other ingredients. Not a chemical leavener or yeast, but leavening nonetheless.

[tncats]

Finecooking.com has this to say on the matter
"With a minor change in appearance, any pastry that is a crumb crust filled with custard and baked, in my mind, is a pie. The addition of cream cheese is no more a disqualifier than the addition of bourbon would be. So, in short, a cheesecake is a pie. It can also be a cake, but it can't not be a pie."

This is the first thing that comes up on a google search so it must be the most truthiest.

So it can be both a pie and a cake simultaneously? Revolutionary

[NotAGolfer]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

But...ice cream cake

doesnt ice cream cake have an actual cake component though?

eta: scooped by asuddenarborealstop

I used to be the cakemaker at an ice cream shop and they were all cakes according to our classification (w. cake layer or w.o.)

[R. Jeeves]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

But...ice cream cake

doesnt ice cream cake have an actual cake component though?

eta: scooped by asuddenarborealstop

Scooping ice cream cake would be utter sacrilege

saw that one coming

[guynourmin]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

Flourless chocolate cake contains neither flour nor leavening agent.

Then it's a tort.

torte*

which is probably a type of cake.

[Leliana]

A cheesecake is not baked.

since when? I occasionally make chocolate cheesecake. it definitely gets thrown in the oven for like an hour. Are you doing something tricky with "bake" here?

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I suppose it does depend on the cheesecake recipe. I've made non-bake cheesecakes before. I could be the anomaly. I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

This is true. There are cheesecake recipes that don't require any baking.

Considerations should also be made for what composes a cake. Traditionally, they all have sugar, flour, eggs, and butter. That's a necessary condition for a cake. I propose this as a necessary test to determine cake-ness.

Flourless chocolate cake doesn't, though...!

Anyway I think cheesecake is the tomato of cakes/pies... in that people think of it as a cake but by technical standards it's a pie, just as a tomato is technically a fruit.

[pretzeltime]

It's called cheesecake not cheesepie. This is not complicated

Dunno, when it comes to cake and pie think I'm gonna have to trust the pretzel...

yes they are both my cousins

thank you for respecting my authority

[88234]

A cheesecake is not baked.

since when? I occasionally make chocolate cheesecake. it definitely gets thrown in the oven for like an hour. Are you doing something tricky with "bake" here?

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I suppose it does depend on the cheesecake recipe. I've made non-bake cheesecakes before. I could be the anomaly. I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

This is true. There are cheesecake recipes that don't require any baking.

Considerations should also be made for what composes a cake. Traditionally, they all have sugar, flour, eggs, and butter. That's a necessary condition for a cake. I propose this as a necessary test to determine cake-ness.

Flourless chocolate cake doesn't, though...!

Anyway I think cheesecake is the tomato of cakes/pies... in that people think of it as a cake but by technical standards it's a pie, just as a tomato is technically a fruit.

Flourless chocolate cakes are tortes, not cakes.

[guynourmin]

I used to be the cakemaker at an ice cream shop

as awesome as it sounds?

[R. Jeeves]

tortes are a type of cake though right?

[Leliana]

A cheesecake is not baked.

since when? I occasionally make chocolate cheesecake. it definitely gets thrown in the oven for like an hour. Are you doing something tricky with "bake" here?

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I suppose it does depend on the cheesecake recipe. I've made non-bake cheesecakes before. I could be the anomaly. I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

This is true. There are cheesecake recipes that don't require any baking.

Considerations should also be made for what composes a cake. Traditionally, they all have sugar, flour, eggs, and butter. That's a necessary condition for a cake. I propose this as a necessary test to determine cake-ness.

Flourless chocolate cake doesn't, though...!

Anyway I think cheesecake is the tomato of cakes/pies... in that people think of it as a cake but by technical standards it's a pie, just as a tomato is technically a fruit.

Flourless chocolate cakes are torts, not cakes.

But Merriam-Webster definition of torte: "a cake made with many eggs and often grated nuts or dry bread crumbs and usually covered with a rich frosting"...

[NotAGolfer]

I used to be the cakemaker at an ice cream shop

as awesome as it sounds?

Yes

[amberb94]

Guys, the word "cake" is in the name. It's self-categorized. Get outta here with your crust and no-bake cheesecake talk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish

Is a starfish not simultaneously a huge ball of flaming gas and a fish? Damn.

Just kidding. Good point. But still, classifications of animals are much more difficult than baked goods. I'm sure we can all understand why someone would initially call it a starfish.

[88234]

But Merriam-Webster definition of torte: "a cake made with many eggs and often grated nuts or dry bread crumbs and usually covered with a rich frosting"...

But cookinglight and proflowers makes a distinction between the two: http://www.proflowers.com/blog/differen ... e-and-cake

[guynourmin]

tortes are a type of cake though right?

Yes. Bringing tortes into a cake/pie debate is some b-level trolling.

[dasq5511]

Are we counting hand pies--e.g., pasties, turnovers, empenadas--among the pies here?

If so we'd need to count cupcakes as well

what about pancakes?

FUCK

what about urinal cakes?

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