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[R. Jeeves]

A cheesecake is not baked.

since when? I occasionally make chocolate cheesecake. it definitely gets thrown in the oven for like an hour. Are you doing something tricky with "bake" here?

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I suppose it does depend on the cheesecake recipe. I've made non-bake cheesecakes before. I could be the anomaly. I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

i think what guy might be getting at is that anything with crust is disqualified from being cake

[youknowsimone]

*girl.

I guess if I had to put it in LSAT terms it would be Pie-->Crust and therefore No Crust-->Not Pie

[guynourmin]

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

I believe cheesecakes have crust, though. If you don't want a crust, you specifically have to pull up a "no crust cheesecake" recipe. Can you even give me 1 crusted cake example? I think touching on crust is great here, but it is the winning argument for cheesecake being a pie - its crusted, therefore it is a pie.

[guynourmin]

*girl.

I'm "guy". its my username.

[R. Jeeves]

*girl.

no i meant the poster named guybourdin

[azaleafire]

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

I believe cheesecakes have crust, though. If you don't want a crust, you specifically have to pull up a "no crust cheesecake" recipe. Can you even give me 1 crusted cake example? I think touching on crust is great here, but it is the winning argument for cheesecake being a pie - its crusted, therefore it is a pie.

Coffee cake kind of has a crust/crumble thing going on. Also the fact that cheesecakes can be made without crust lends credence to the cake idea.

[tncats]

I've never eaten a cheesecake without a crust. I suppose that exists, but standard cheesecake has a graham cracker crust, a filling, and is baked, just like all pies. The consistency of the filling is also more similar to pies than cakes. Having cake in the name is just a misnomer

[Pozzo]

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

I believe cheesecakes have crust, though. If you don't want a crust, you specifically have to pull up a "no crust cheesecake" recipe. Can you even give me 1 crusted cake example? I think touching on crust is great here, but it is the winning argument for cheesecake being a pie - its crusted, therefore it is a pie.

Coffee cake kind of has a crust/crumble thing going on. Also the fact that cheesecakes can be made without crust lends credence to the cake idea.

Careful. By that logic, a cobbler could be considered a cake. And we definitely don't want to go there.

[ashrice13]

I was in the "Cheesecake is cake because of the name" camp...but relevant research does seem to indicate pie as the correct classification.

I've been swayed.

[youknowsimone]

*girl.

no i meant the poster named guybourdin

Oops, sorry! Sometimes I get confused on these threads.

As far as a cake with a crust goes, one may argue that sponge/pound/lemon cakes have crusts. Or any cake that is baked like a loaf.

[youknowsimone]

That also leads to the question of what, exactly, makes a crust? Is it the texture, ingredients? Would a hardened chocolate shell be considered a crust? Perhaps what distinguishes the cake from the pie is the type of crust?

[courtneyleigh_1]

As far as a cake with a crust goes, one may argue that sponge/pound/lemon cakes have crusts. Or any cake that is baked like a loaf.

One may, but it doesn't mean one should.

[NotAGolfer]

That also leads to the question of what, exactly, makes a crust? Is it the texture, ingredients? Would a hardened chocolate shell be considered a crust? Perhaps what distinguishes the cake from the pie is the type of crust?

Yes, the "crust" in a cheesecake is very different from what's considered a crust in other pies. Cheesecake could be viewed as a type of layer cake, with the graham cracker crust being one of the layers.

[brinicolec]

A cheesecake is not baked.

since when? I occasionally make chocolate cheesecake. it definitely gets thrown in the oven for like an hour. Are you doing something tricky with "bake" here?

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I suppose it does depend on the cheesecake recipe. I've made non-bake cheesecakes before. I could be the anomaly. I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

This is true. There are cheesecake recipes that don't require any baking.

[brinicolec]

That also leads to the question of what, exactly, makes a crust? Is it the texture, ingredients? Would a hardened chocolate shell be considered a crust? Perhaps what distinguishes the cake from the pie is the type of crust?

Yes, the "crust" in a cheesecake is very different from what's considered a crust in other pies. Cheesecake could be viewed as a type of layer cake, with the graham cracker crust being one of the layers.

Very true. You can take the "crust" off of some cheesecakes.

[asuddenarborealstop]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

[Pozzo]

Miami law, you are the cookies of law schools right now. Get out.

GET. OUT.

[NotAGolfer]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

But...ice cream cake

[guynourmin]

Yes, the "crust" in a cheesecake is very different from what's considered a crust in other pies.

how? crushed graham crackers + a little butter + pressure. Its the same as a key lime pie crust, isn't it?

[88234]

A cheesecake is not baked.

since when? I occasionally make chocolate cheesecake. it definitely gets thrown in the oven for like an hour. Are you doing something tricky with "bake" here?

Cakes need not have crusts.

can you give me like 3 examples of cakes with crusts?

I suppose it does depend on the cheesecake recipe. I've made non-bake cheesecakes before. I could be the anomaly. I can't give you too many examples of cakes with crusts because that was sort of the point of my argument. Pies almost always have crusts whereas cakes don't necessarily have them. That was the difference I was trying to distinguish. I suppose a cheesecake could have a graham cracker crust, or a cookie crust. But it's not essential to it being a cake. However, crusts are essential to the pie.

This is true. There are cheesecake recipes that don't require any baking.

Considerations should also be made for what composes a cake. Traditionally, they all have sugar, flour, eggs, and butter. That's a necessary condition for a cake. I propose this as a necessary test to determine cake-ness.

[tncats]

Yes, the "crust" in a cheesecake is very different from what's considered a crust in other pies.

how? crushed graham crackers + a little butter + pressure. Its the same as a key lime pie crust, isn't it?

+1

[Pozzo]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

Flourless chocolate cake contains neither flour nor leavening agent.

[amberb94]

Guys, the word "cake" is in the name. It's self-categorized. Get outta here with your crust and no-bake cheesecake talk.

[ashrice13]

Finecooking.com has this to say on the matter
"With a minor change in appearance, any pastry that is a crumb crust filled with custard and baked, in my mind, is a pie. The addition of cream cheese is no more a disqualifier than the addition of bourbon would be. So, in short, a cheesecake is a pie. It can also be a cake, but it can't not be a pie."

This is the first thing that comes up on a google search so it must be the most truthiest.

[88234]

I think we can ignore the crust. A cheesecake has neither flour nor leavening. Surely having at least one of those is necessary (though not sufficient) for a cake.

Flourless chocolate cake contains neither flour nor leavening agent.

Then it's a tort.