Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

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[MrJD2020]

I think Harvard probably has some generic algorithm with some rules that spits out who gets JS1s. Maybe something like:

Anyone with at least one number over a median, JS1 invite.

I can tell you that at this moment, this part of your hypothesis is inaccurate. Very reliable source.

^^ same here

As someone on the other side (GPA well above median, LSAT below), I can also confirm

Yeah, I worded my post pretty poorly, but I wasn't trying to imply that was actually one of the rules. Just an example of a type of rule that they might use. There might be 20-30 programmed rules that scan the LSAC CAS data, which spits out some index number. Then the admissions people use that to decide JS1 requests.

One rule might be "anyone with at least one number above median, JS1"
Rule 2: URM with XXX stats, JS1
Rule 3, Numbers X amount below median, but X years work experience, JS1
Rule 4: People with masters degrees and X numbers
etc, etc etc.

These are probably not the actual rules, but some of the logic Harvard might apply; I wouldn't be surprised if the JS1 process was highly automated and computerized.

I am below 25 LSAT for H. I am only slightly above 50 GPA for H. KJD. No fancy softs. Not URM. Didn't attend a top school for undergrad. The strongest part of my application is the one they're required to read line by line, not something a computer could quantify.
Applied Sept, JS1 December, JS2 Feb.
So unless the algorithm includes "reading through all the files and actually putting weight on what they say" (which would make the ones you submitted moot), there's no explanation for my JS2. Or my acceptances at YCC, where I was in a similar position.
Applying to T14 is a holistic process.

This was the last thing I needed to read right before Yale's deadline. #allnighter

[scott2016]

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[dokumented]

If i get a JS1, I'll convert to Christianity. Went complete Feb 23.

[eyetelyuhwhut]

Any other December JS1ers still waiting? It's hard not to feel despondent after missing the last wave. Looking for solidarity

Plenty, myself included. Stay strong

[tagomago]

Any hope for someone who went complete on 11/30 and still no JS1?

[MrJD2020]

Any hope for someone who went complete on 11/30 and still no JS1?

I've been complete since mid-November. Holding out hope. Nothing to do but keep waiting.

[tagomago]

Any hope for someone who went complete on 11/30 and still no JS1?

I've been complete since mid-November. Holding out hope. Nothing to do but keep waiting.

Yeah, I'm GPA<25 but LSAT>75, so I'm not really sure what my chances are. Was kinda hoping to at least get an interview, but it's getting bleak.

[Smc1994]

In the way that I've seen them defined on here fancy softs are national awards (Rhodes etc). Everything for me is University-wide (in my own) or dealing with other low-ranked universities and law schools. My internships are also either local or state. Nothing fancy.

Are you suggesting that my membership in the Finer Things club isn't fancy?

Did you find out who I was in real life and all the things I love? Huge Office fan. Let's be friends. I'll buy you coffee.

I did not, but I'm more than happy to be friends. Tell you what, unless you're going to one of the non-t3 ASWs, then, if I can get a JS2, you can buy me an outrageously expensive cup of coffee in Cambridge.

[AllHailKingMao]

If i get a JS1, I'll convert to Christianity. Went complete Feb 27.

Lol wut?

[SybillAnnDorsett]

If i get a JS1, I'll convert to Christianity. Went complete Feb 27.

literally, me.

[CA1993]

If i get a JS1, I'll convert to Christianity. Went complete Feb 27.

literally, me.

You guys get me

[canafsa]

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[alpinespring]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

[laqueredup]

those people are probably robots who haven't been able to talk since "the accident".

I think Harvard would admit any Artificial Intelligence that could score a 178 and write a coherent personal statement. Robot might just be the highest priority URM, especially if it was interested in possible constitutional foundations for robot rights.

[Smc1994]

those people are probably robots who haven't been able to talk since "the accident".

I think Harvard would admit any Artificial Intelligence that could score a 178 and write a coherent personal statement. Robot might just be the highest priority URM, especially if it was interested in possible constitutional foundations for robot rights.

Wishful thinking, DJ Roomba. Now get back to cleaning the dance floor.

[GoBucks6612]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

Personally waited 2 months for a JS1 and another 2 from JS1 request to JS2. Never give up hope until you get dinged!

[addie1412]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

No JS2 (yet) but I received my JS1 invite exactly two months after going complete. My completion date was right before the holidays, though, so that may have delayed things.

[calpolisci2016]

So no js1s were dinged today (or have yet to be dinged this cycle), correct?

[appind]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

can you elaborate on source or how true bolded is?

[alpinespring]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

Personally waited 2 months for a JS1 and another 2 from JS1 request to JS2. Never give up hope until you get dinged!

Wow, thank you so (and addie1412) for sharing the timeline! (and checking into our thread although you've already been accepted).
Congratulations on your amazing achievement!

[alpinespring]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

can you elaborate on source or how true bolded is?

Well I got that 4-week time frame from one of the Webinars the consultant did with an LSAT prep company.

It's either this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXMXyIe4jYM

Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-pr_cmbq44&t=2678s

I can't remember which of these two, but it should appear in the part where he talks about red flags in your application.

But then again people got JS1'S 2 months after going complete so I don't think he was referring to HLS specifically.

[curry1]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

can you elaborate on source or how true bolded is?

Well I got that 4-week time frame from one of the Webinars the consultant did with an LSAT prep company.

It's either this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXMXyIe4jYM

Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-pr_cmbq44&t=2678s

I can't remember which of these two, but it should appear in the part where he talks about red flags in your application.

But then again people got JS1'S 2 months after going complete so I don't think he was referring to HLS specifically.

Those remarks don't make sense unless he's referring to people applying late cycle or to non-top schools. For those of the t6 that do lots of interviews (HCC), no invitations were sent out until november. Apps opened in early September (August for Chicago).

[appind]

Going through last year's spreadsheet because I'm a data nerd and a sadist. 186 JS1s on there, minus 41 who never updated past "Decision Pending" leaves 145. Of those 136 were accepted. Of the 9 not, 4 were denied, 5 WL'd. Most of those folks have one or both numbers below medians/25ths. But these two scare the bajeezus out of me:

174/3.99: Denied
178/3.93: Denied

Given your understanding/knowledge of the spreadsheet...

What would you say are the chances of an applicant receiving a JS1 four weeks after going complete?

Heard a consultant say that for schools that interview, if you don't hear back within four weeks since going complete (i.e. me), then there's something that's holding your app back.

Most applicants who get accepted in the end get JS1 invite within 4 weeks of going complete, right?

I just want to be realistic and move on with my life... thanks in advance

can you elaborate on source or how true bolded is?

Well I got that 4-week time frame from one of the Webinars the consultant did with an LSAT prep company.

It's either this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXMXyIe4jYM

Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-pr_cmbq44&t=2678s

I can't remember which of these two, but it should appear in the part where he talks about red flags in your application.

But then again people got JS1'S 2 months after going complete so I don't think he was referring to HLS specifically.

Those remarks don't make sense unless he's referring to people applying late cycle or to non-top schools. For those of the t6 that do lots of interviews (HCC), no invitations were sent out until november. Apps opened in early September (August for Chicago).

i couldn't find reference to where in these recordings the consultants mention 4-week window or being held back. even for the limited set of late-applications to H, i hope it's not typically true.
there are always going to be exceptions, but i think a large number of late application to H can get JS1 after 4 week window. true?

[acz26]

I went complete 10/3...JS1 invitation 1/18...JS1 1/31...JS2 2/22. I know someone who got a JS1 in March. It's not over until you get an actual decision...for realsies