Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist Forum

[Cinderella24]

They are stalking this forum and are set on making our lives miserable for next couple months.

[tonysoprano]

They are stalking this forum and are set on making our lives miserable for next couple months.

Wouldn't surprise me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_49EXuLoQ
"I’m afraid a couple of you probably are evil. That’s just the odds."

[Eladriel]

Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

[tonysoprano]

Not really my style

[tonysoprano]

But that speech is actually hilarious if anyone has the time to watch

[grwfews4546]

Are there any internationals like me in this thread?

me where are you from?

Europe! Any thoughts on going to America with debt vs staying abroad for free/almost free?

[mernburg]

Are there any internationals like me in this thread?

me where are you from?

Europe! Any thoughts on going to America with debt vs staying abroad for free/almost free?

My situation is a little different. My family moved to the US but I don't have a passport, so I'm considered an international student even though I pretty much live here now. I know for sure that I want to work in the US so it made sense to go to law school here.

[The thinker]

Facebook group is at 547 23 more than last year

[paahhgg]

Facebook group is at 547 23 more than last year

Just fyi, the 2017 FB page ended up with 700+ people. Not to mention, while the FB page may be +23, our WL spreadsheet is -40(ish) from last year. Too much mitigating factors for either to really give any indication, though.

[mernburg]

Facebook group is at 547 23 more than last year

Just fyi, the 2017 FB page ended up with 700+ people. Not to mention, while the FB page may be +23, our WL spreadsheet is -40(ish) from last year. Too much mitigating factors for either to really give any indication, though.

Also I'm sure that there are people who already know they're not going and haven't left the group yet. I know this because I completely forgot to leave a bunch of groups myself.

[Broncos15]

Can June LSAT scores be used to get off the WL for that upcoming Fall's admissions ex. take June 2015 LSAT to get off WL for Fall '15 ? ( i know this question was asked earlier, but not addressed)

Applying next cycle but I'd imagine I will be WL'ed instead of straight admit, so I am planing out a timeline for my cycle

[Mack.Hambleton]

Can June LSAT scores be used to get off the WL for that upcoming Fall's admissions ex. take June 2015 LSAT to get off WL for Fall '15 ? ( i know this question was asked earlier, but not addressed)

Applying next cycle but I'd imagine I will be WL'ed instead of straight admit, so I am planing out a timeline for my cycle

In general yes

[paahhgg]

So wait, what's the deal? There were 9 interview slots open two days ago and they disappeared yesterday? Have they reappeared? Do you think this def means they are not happening?

[qwertyTLS]

They'll happen, just probably not as soon as we thought or were hoping. My unsubstantiated guess is invitations end of this upcoming week with interviews beginning of next week.

[adman921]

...or it's possible they were given out to people who are not using TLS and haven't reported them here

[paahhgg]

...or it's possible they were given out to people who are not using TLS and haven't reported them here

A. Would this make the slots go away? And so abruptly? Doubt it
B. Given the TLS sample size I highly doubt that's the case.

[everton125]

I understand the CR re: additional LORs is that they likely won't be helpful. However, I can get a recommendation from a V5 partner and graduate of Harvard Law who I have worked fairly closely with over the past two years. Is that the sort of LOR that might be worth sending? I definitely don't want to bother him if his LOR would be seriously unlikely to help at all. Just looking for some input. Thanks.

Edit: Also, is there any real value in visiting if I have not already? I only live five hours away, so doing so would not be overly burdensome.

[qwertyTLS]

I understand the CR re: additional LORs is that they likely won't be helpful. However, I can get a recommendation from a V5 partner and graduate of Harvard Law who I have worked fairly closely with over the past two years. Is that the sort of LOR that might be worth sending? I definitely don't want to bother him if his LOR would be seriously unlikely to help at all. Just looking for some input. Thanks.

Edit: Also, is there any real value in visiting if I have not already? I only live five hours away, so doing so would not be overly burdensome.

from the wl message:

The fact that your application was selected for the wait list means that you are clearly a strong applicant to Harvard Law School. If, however, you believe you have any relevant, new information, which is not part of your application to date, which would strengthen your application, you are welcome to send additions to your file. Additional letters of recommendation are rarely useful at this time, however, if you have been enrolled in an academic program, you may wish to provide a final transcript to LSAC.

[qwertyTLS]

comparing last cycle's wl spreadsheet to this cycle's wl spreadsheet.

WL 2014:
average lsat: 172.6
median lsat: 173
average gpa: 3.81

WL 2015:
average lsat: 170.3
median lsat: 171
average gpa: 3.80

let's get some discussion going. why the disparity? gpa is the same, but a gap of 2 points for both average and median on the lsat is pretty significant i'd say.

[Comma.Split]

comparing last cycle's wl spreadsheet to this cycle's wl spreadsheet.

WL 2014:
average lsat: 172.6
median lsat: 173
average gpa: 3.81

WL 2015:
average lsat: 170.3
median lsat: 171
average gpa: 3.80

let's get some discussion going. why the disparity? gpa is the same, but a gap of 2 points for both average and median on the lsat is pretty significant i'd say.

What about GPA median? Number of observations? Are these the same as well?
Also, I think we should use the LSN data, not the spreadsheet. I know it is tedious, but it will give us a much more accurate look.

Edit: did you use the data from "fun with LSN data" or the data on TLS users?

[qwertyTLS]

iirc gpa median was the same as average. also number of observations less than last year. data on tls users, as 2014 didn't have 'fun with lsn data' information.

agreed, lsn would be more accurate. but i think tls data is enough to say there's a different in the LSAt composition of this year's wl compared to last. quantifying how much that difference makes sense to look at LSN, but i didn't have the time - feel free to share if you're able

[qwertyTLS]

ps what's the facebook group count at? i wonder if people have started leaving after the commitment deadline...

[adman921]

Assuming the numbers are representative, what do you think that says about this cycle for them? Do you think it says they have wiggle room on LSAT (i.e. they've already basically secured their numbers) and are only focused on shoring up their GPAs?

[Four Winds]

ps what's the facebook group count at? i wonder if people have started leaving after the commitment deadline...

I'm seeing 539 right now.

[The thinker]

Facebook: 539

I see three possible situations for the discrepancy :

1. It means nothing just a product of self report bias
2. It means those with high lsats who would have gotten waitlisted last year (splitters presumably) have been admitted this year because of dropping scores
3. It means those with high lsats who would have gotten waitlisted last year were denied because Harvard has already secured it's lsat median

1 would have no affect on the waitlist admit chances
2 seems to suggest favoring high lsats off the waitlist
3 seems to suggest favoring high gpas /non lsat factors

Moral of the story: we have no idea