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[iguazu]

Looks like employment from last year's class is pretty good: 84% (FT JD Required or Advantaged) http://www.law.uci.edu/news/press-relea ... 09-15.html

That's up from 69.1% for 2013 grads. Not too shabby.

I'll take it. It's a tough market.
Anybody SIR yet?

[rion91]

One burning question:
What's up with UCI's PI placement?

The more I think of it, the more they are going for pro bono rather than full-fledged PI. A full PI school is just unsustainable because you can only LRAP so much before you bankrupt your school. It's pretty sad but I know I stressed my interest in doing pro bono work in my app, so it's possibly something they are looking for. I want to see how many pro bono hours grads are putting in

Looks like employment from last year's class is pretty good: 84% (FT JD Required or Advantaged) http://www.law.uci.edu/news/press-relea ... 09-15.html

That's up from 69.1% for 2013 grads. Not too shabby.

Now that's a relief!! Have to see the exact numbers though. Sounds like it's just a head count at this point

[Harry_Pluxen]

Looks like employment from last year's class is pretty good: 84% (FT JD Required or Advantaged) http://www.law.uci.edu/news/press-relea ... 09-15.html

That's up from 69.1% for 2013 grads. Not too shabby.

Has that been verified, though? I would trust that 84% if it was from the ABA or at the very least...LST.

[rion91]

Looks like employment from last year's class is pretty good: 84% (FT JD Required or Advantaged) http://www.law.uci.edu/news/press-relea ... 09-15.html

That's up from 69.1% for 2013 grads. Not too shabby.

Has that been verified, though? I would trust that 84% if it was from the ABA or at the very least...LST.

I believe ABA numbers come out in a month or so. We'll be able to cross reference it then

[LurkerShirker]

Looks like employment from last year's class is pretty good: 84% (FT JD Required or Advantaged) http://www.law.uci.edu/news/press-relea ... 09-15.html

That's up from 69.1% for 2013 grads. Not too shabby.

Has that been verified, though? I would trust that 84% if it was from the ABA or at the very least...LST.

I believe ABA numbers come out in a month or so. We'll be able to cross reference it then

Dean C was quoted here about a year ago saying he would start going the school-funded fellowship route to goose his employment numbers. Just in time for US News to start discounting this and the ABA considering reporting these differently. I wonder how much of this 84% is smoke and mirrors from this school funded stuff?

"Chemerinsky hired a new assistant dean for career development last year and is preparing to launch at least a dozen yearlong fellowships that will pay about $40,000."

Read more: http://www.therecorder.com/id=120267082 ... z3U01riT6d

The class that entered in 2011 had 89 students, so I assume that is roughly the size of the class of 2014 graduating class. If there were a dozen fellowships there, that would be 13-14% of the class. So excluding those jobs, the real employment rate would be perhaps 70-71%, which would only be a slight increase from the 69.1% they had last year. Now that these school funded jobs are not going to be counted fully in the rankings, watch for them to magically disappear by the time you graduate.

[Harry_Pluxen]

Looks like employment from last year's class is pretty good: 84% (FT JD Required or Advantaged) http://www.law.uci.edu/news/press-relea ... 09-15.html

That's up from 69.1% for 2013 grads. Not too shabby.

Has that been verified, though? I would trust that 84% if it was from the ABA or at the very least...LST.

I believe ABA numbers come out in a month or so. We'll be able to cross reference it then

Are you referring to ABA req disclosures? Do you know the exact date when they come out? I really want to attend UCI if accepted and these employment numbers, if true, are very enticing.

[Moneytrees]

Don't trust the 84% figure. Last year's employment percentage was 64 btw, not 69.

[Kayak1277]

Don't trust the 84% figure. Last year's employment percentage was 64 btw, not 69.

I agree, who knows if that 84% is legit, just passing along what the school posted.

Also, the 69% was adding the Full Time JD Required and JD Advantaged percentiles from LST: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... jobs/2013/ Just wanted to compare apples to apples as that is what the 84% figure was referring to.

[BentleyLittle]

Looks like employment from last year's class is pretty good: 84% (FT JD Required or Advantaged) http://www.law.uci.edu/news/press-relea ... 09-15.html

That's up from 69.1% for 2013 grads. Not too shabby.

Has that been verified, though? I would trust that 84% if it was from the ABA or at the very least...LST.

I believe ABA numbers come out in a month or so. We'll be able to cross reference it then

Dean C was quoted here about a year ago saying he would start going the school-funded fellowship route to goose his employment numbers. Just in time for US News to start discounting this and the ABA considering reporting these differently. I wonder how much of this 84% is smoke and mirrors from this school funded stuff?

"Chemerinsky hired a new assistant dean for career development last year and is preparing to launch at least a dozen yearlong fellowships that will pay about $40,000."

Read more: http://www.therecorder.com/id=120267082 ... z3U01riT6d

The class that entered in 2011 had 89 students, so I assume that is roughly the size of the class of 2014 graduating class. If there were a dozen fellowships there, that would be 13-14% of the class. So excluding those jobs, the real employment rate would be perhaps 70-71%, which would only be a slight increase from the 69.1% they had last year. Now that these school funded jobs are not going to be counted fully in the rankings, watch for them to magically disappear by the time you graduate.

That program hasn't been launched yet. No one has received any post graduate fellowships. The employment numbers for 2014 are what they are.

[lizzielemon]

Anyone not hear still? I submitted december, complete early January.

[HalfStudent]

Their bar passage rate was only like 77%, the 84% job thing has go to be a joke unless they hired their own..

[rion91]

Their bar passage rate was only like 77%, the 84% job thing has go to be a joke unless they hired their own..

Bar isn't once a year

[rpupkin]

Their bar passage rate was only like 77%, the 84% job thing has go to be a joke unless they hired their own..

Bar isn't once a year

More relevantly, bar passage isn't a prerequisite for starting a job that requires a JD. People working in big law fail the bar and the firms don't fire them (at least not after the first failed attempt). And bar passage definitely isn't a prerequisite for a "JD advantaged" job, which is part of the 84%.

[HalfStudent]

Their bar passage rate was only like 77%, the 84% job thing has go to be a joke unless they hired their own..

Bar isn't once a year

More relevantly, bar passage isn't a prerequisite for starting a job that requires a JD. People working in big law fail the bar and the firms don't fire them (at least not after the first failed attempt). And bar passage definitely isn't a prerequisite for a "JD advantaged" job, which is part of the 84%.

JD advantaged is not counted by US news fully and most schools would be easily over 80 if JD advantaged counted. People who get big law don't fail the bar exams(perhaps a very tiny amount), it's those who get the worst grades who don't have jobs lined up that do.

[rpupkin]

Their bar passage rate was only like 77%, the 84% job thing has go to be a joke unless they hired their own..

Bar isn't once a year

More relevantly, bar passage isn't a prerequisite for starting a job that requires a JD. People working in big law fail the bar and the firms don't fire them (at least not after the first failed attempt). And bar passage definitely isn't a prerequisite for a "JD advantaged" job, which is part of the 84%.

JD advantaged is not counted by US news fully and most schools would be easily over 80 if JD advantaged counted. People who get big law don't fail the bar exams(perhaps a very tiny amount), it's those who get the worst grades who don't have jobs lined up that do.

Dude, stop making stuff up. It's not that rare for an associate in big law to fail the bar exam. It's less rare for lawyers in mid- and small-law to fail.

[HalfStudent]

People who get big law have good grades and do NOT fail the bar exam in big numbers as those who graduate with poor grades.. That's not "making stuff up", that's common sense. Let's take Irvine, 15% got big law. How many failed the bar exam?? probably one or two?? let's take bottom 15% in grades, how many failed the bar exam. Probably more..

[rion91]

People who get big law have good grades and do NOT fail the bar exam in big numbers as those who graduate with poor grades.. That's not "making stuff up", that's common sense. Let's take Irvine, 15% got big law. How many failed the bar exam?? probably one or two?? let's take bottom 15% in grades, how many failed the bar exam. Probably more..

source?

[Harry_Pluxen]

I love watching you guys fight about objective UCI employment data. You're making the days that I wait in purgatory for my app decisions to be made all that more durable.

@ lizzielemon, I went complete in mid January, haven't heard since. You should hear before me if you went complete in December. Best of luck!

[idontknow1]

I submitted late January and I haven't received an email that my file is complete, would it be alright to email admissions and ask? Every other school I applied to has at least gone complete, I am not sure what is going on with my file at Irvine.

[rion91]

I submitted late January and I haven't received an email that my file is complete, would it be alright to email admissions and ask? Every other school I applied to has at least gone complete, I am not sure what is going on with my file at Irvine.

Did you do Feb LSAT? I would call either way, that seems like a long time without going complete. or email: admissions@law.uci.edu

[HalfStudent]

People who get big law have good grades and do NOT fail the bar exam in big numbers as those who graduate with poor grades.. That's not "making stuff up", that's common sense. Let's take Irvine, 15% got big law. How many failed the bar exam?? probably one or two?? let's take bottom 15% in grades, how many failed the bar exam. Probably more..

source?

The only hard data I have is a recent study which showed law school grades and not LSAT or undergrad GPA were the best bar pssage predictor.. But really like I said it is just common sense to make that assumption.

[idontknow1]

I submitted late January and I haven't received an email that my file is complete, would it be alright to email admissions and ask? Every other school I applied to has at least gone complete, I am not sure what is going on with my file at Irvine.

Did you do Feb LSAT? I would call either way, that seems like a long time without going complete. or email: admissions@law.uci.edu

I did not. I am going to give them a call, thanks.

[rpupkin]

People who get big law have good grades and do NOT fail the bar exam in big numbers as those who graduate with poor grades. That's not "making stuff up"

Yes, folks with poor grades (who are less likely to have jobs) are generally more likely to fail the bar exam. No one disputes that. But remember, HalfStudent, this exchange was precipitated by your little syllogism:

Their bar passage rate was only like 77%, the 84% job thing has go to be a joke unless they hired their own..

UCI has a small graduating class. The difference between 77% and 84% is what....maybe 6 or 7 students? If a couple of students in big law failed the bar, and if a few students in other law jobs failed, that accounts for the discrepancy. Your statistic proves your point only if you assume that everyone in a "JD Required" job must have passed the bar. But that assumption is wrong.

[Harry_Pluxen]

People who get big law have good grades and do NOT fail the bar exam in big numbers as those who graduate with poor grades. That's not "making stuff up"

Yes, folks with poor grades (who are less likely to have jobs) are generally more likely to fail the bar exam. No one disputes that. But remember, HalfStudent, this exchange was precipitated by your little syllogism:

Their bar passage rate was only like 77%, the 84% job thing has go to be a joke unless they hired their own..

UCI has a small graduating class. The difference between 77% and 84% is what....maybe 6 or 7 students? If a couple of students in big law failed the bar, and if a few students in other law jobs failed, that accounts for the discrepancy. Your statistic proves your point only if you assume that everyone in a "JD Required" job must have passed the bar. But that assumption is wrong.

Indeed.

[Drowninmyowntears]

Look, determining employment rates and bar passage rates is worth it to some degree. However, at a certain point, it's not on the school, its on you. If the majority of people who graduate UCI are getting jobs and passing the bar, then it's very possible for any person who attends to do so. At a certain point you have to ask yourself if you are going to be in that 77% and bust your butt to study for the bar and pass the first time, or will you be in the 23%? (IDK if those are the actual percentages, just examples). Jobs aren't all about where you go. Sure, a law degree from Harvard is going to help you a lot more than one from UCI, but I'm pretty sure once you get outside the top 14-20 schools, its about how hard you work, the grades you get, the networking you do, which job market you are aiming for, etc. If UCI has a 69% employment rate, that certainly does not mean that you as an individual attending UCI will have a 69% chance of getting a job. How ridiculous. Have confidence in yourselves people!