Pepperdine 2015 Forum

[Gavel]

got waitlisted.

[JD Janitor]

still no word. complete 1/23

[bisonprawn]

withdrew.

[Dreas]

withdrew.

Mind explaining?

[bisonprawn]

withdrew.

Mind explaining?

As much as I would love to live on the California coast again, I can't afford Pepperdine sticker.

[ArtyIvy]

got waitlisted.

Congrats! You were wrong about one of us, anyway.

[Fingolfin]

anyone make a facebook page yet?

[bajafresk]

i've been complete since february and had another updated complete on 3/2/12. haven't had any movement whatsoever since then, anyone hear anything? who's pumped for pepperdine? this thread doesnt have that many posts...

[JD Janitor]

its hard to get pumped when you cannot get any answers. Complete since January.

[Dreas]

From my understanding, seat deposits were due on the 15th and coming up on the 23rd (depending on when you received your letter).

Can anyone confirm this?

Who's pumped for pepperdine? this thread doesnt have that many posts...

I've also been contemplating this; Pepperdine may not be a T-14 but it's still a good LS, so the lack of enthusiasm and activity in this thread is quite disheartening. Hopefully this isn't a reflection of the incoming class!

its hard to get pumped when you cannot get any answers. Complete since January.

Be patient. My file went complete in Nov. and I didn't hear back until late March.

[miy]

Who's pumped for pepperdine? this thread doesnt have that many posts...

I've also been contemplating this; Pepperdine may not be a T-14 but it's still a good LS, so the lack of enthusiasm and activity in this thread is quite disheartening. Hopefully this isn't a reflection of the incoming class!

I'm excited about the school, but not excited about the cost. I sent in a letter a few weeks ago requesting scholarship reconsideration, and they told me to get in touch with them after the first seat deposit deadline. I'll be recontacting them tomorrow to see if I can't get a little help in the way of money. Silence doesn't equate to a lack of enthusiasm

[Dreas]

I'm excited about the school, but not excited about the cost. I sent in a letter a few weeks ago requesting scholarship reconsideration, and they told me to get in touch with them after the first seat deposit deadline. I'll be recontacting them tomorrow to see if I can't get a little help in the way of money. Silence doesn't equate to a lack of enthusiasm

Well that's one out of the woodwork

[kokorozukai]

I've also been contemplating this; Pepperdine may not be a T-14 but it's still a good LS, so the lack of enthusiasm and activity in this thread is quite disheartening. Hopefully this isn't a reflection of the incoming class!

It's also hard to get pumped for a school that completely avoids the topic of employment prospects, and who only employs around 50% of their class by graduation with mediocre salaries. Not to mention that those who pay sticker will be 205k in debt (not including interest). At least schools like Loyola and Southwestern have a huge alumni base and firms that attend OCI. Pepperdine really has neither.

BTW, where are Pepperdine's 2010 employment stats? I called them months ago and they said they are "still working on the numbers." Interesting...

[kaitybird]

Has anyone had any luck negotiating scholarship money?

I visited on Friday and absolutely loved it, but can't really stomach paying sticker...

[Dreas]

I've also been contemplating this; Pepperdine may not be a T-14 but it's still a good LS, so the lack of enthusiasm and activity in this thread is quite disheartening. Hopefully this isn't a reflection of the incoming class!

It's also hard to get pumped for a school that completely avoids the topic of employment prospects, and who only employs around 50% of their class by graduation with mediocre salaries. Not to mention that those who pay sticker will be 205k in debt (not including interest). At least schools like Loyola and Southwestern have a huge alumni base and firms that attend OCI. Pepperdine really has neither.

BTW, where are Pepperdine's 2010 employment stats? I called them months ago and they said they are "still working on the numbers." Interesting...

Actually, the ABA website has Pepperdine's 2011 Placement Summary report posted, I looked it over yesterday (you'll have to download the PDF):

http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/home.aspx

Employed: 184 (139 Long Term, 44 Short Term)
Pursuing Grad Degree: 9
Unemployed - not seeking: 7
Unemployed - seeking: 4
Employment stats unknown: 0
Total Graduates: 204

Of Employed - Law School Funded: 8 (1 Long Term, 7 Short Term)

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That's about 92% Employed (76% Long Term, 24% Short Term)

With the exception of 18 students, they're all employed in CA.

[Dreas]

At least schools like Loyola and Southwestern have a huge alumni base and firms that attend OCI. Pepperdine really has neither.

Also, on a side note, Loyola has about 4% higher employed (about 64% Long Term, 35% Short Term - 16 School Funded, All Short Term) for the same year, and I'm currently working at a law firm in downtown LA as a 0L and we have an attorney here (grad from Loyola Law a few years ago, bar passed) who just started working here a few weeks ago with NO PAY. Apparently, the agreement he is here under is for work experience.

My point is that employment is not a guarantee, regardless of where you go to school - and most especially for CA.

Loyola's "huge alumni base" by popular conception may not in fact be a good thing; you have twice as many students graduating each year from Loyola than from Pepperdine (or a few of the other CA schools for that matter), in other words, double the competition from your school. I strongly doubt the alumni base being produced each year from Loyola is automatically translating into increased job prospects for students of the following years.

[splitsplat]

Of the graduates who secured long term employment (139 of total 204 graduates) only 14 are working in firms 100+ in size which is typically where a graduate could expect to make enough to pay back 100k-200k debt.

[Dreas]

Of the graduates who secured long term employment (139 of total 204 graduates) only 14 are working in firms 100+ in size which is typically where a graduate could expect to make enough to pay back 100k-200k debt.

Which by ratio translates into almost 11% from Pepperdine and 15% from Loyola LA, for Long Term at 101+ size firms.

That's not that significant of a difference when you compare the disparity in "alumni bases."


Also, where are you getting your stats from regarding 100+ being the range where grads would be most able to pay back loans?

[splitsplat]

I don't think 14/139 is the % to be looking at. I think the more accurate would be 14/188 (Employed + Employed & Seeking) which is 7.5%
Also, I'm not making a case for Loyola or any other school, I think prospects are dismal all around.

I think it is general knowledge that firm size is directly related to salary for most 1st year associates so I don't know why you are trying to play the "WHEREZ THE STATS" card, but here:
http://www.nalp.org/2011_associate_salaries

[Dreas]

I don't think 14/139 is the % to be looking at. I think the more accurate would be 14/188 (Employed + Employed & Seeking) which is 7.5%

Also, I'm not making a case for Loyola or any other school, I think prospects are dismal all around.

Correct, my mistake; Pepperdine 7.5% vs. Loyola LA at 9.6%.

Again though, this is a minute difference especially given the fact that Loyola has such greater numbers (both in class size and alumni apparently).

Dismal all around is an understatement, but I do agree with you. Pretty much, it's top 10% who make that bracket, which seems to be the new name of the game.


But again, what are you basing your info off of regarding this bracket (100/101+) being the range where grads can expect to be able to pay back their loans????

EDIT: It's not a card I'm trying to play.. if you're going to make a statement regarding numbers, I think it's fair to back that up..... and I don't necessarily see a direct correlation between $$ and firm size. This correlation may exists, I'm not entirely ruling it out, but I really believe it comes down to the actual individual as well as the firm itself.

The "# Rept" column indicates the number of offices reporting. Medians have been rounded to the nearest $25.
* This figure was reported by 54% of responding offices in this firm size category, and it is also the high figure.

[splitsplat]

If you are looking at the NALP chart for median base salaries sorted by firm size and you can't see a direct connection between firm size and salary, I don't know what to tell you bro.

[Dreas]

If you are looking at the NALP chart for median base salaries sorted by firm size and you can't see a direct connection between firm size and salary, I don't know what to tell you bro.

You're obviously not paying attention to what I'm saying, BRO.

There's a reason I quoted the survey info, that graph is open to interpretation and doesn't necessarily apply to each individual.. it's a median, as you've stated. BRO.

"A total of 630 offices provided salary information as of April 1, 2011. With 13% of respondents representing firms of 50 or fewer lawyers and 43% representing firms of more than 500 lawyers."

You obviously were either asleep during, or didn't take, surveying during UG.

Back on topic.

[martorem]

You obviously were either asleep during, or didn't take, surveying during UG.

Is this real? lol

[Dreas]

You obviously were either asleep during, or didn't take, surveying during UG.

Is this real? lol

Political Stats, yes.

[martorem]

You obviously were either asleep during, or didn't take, surveying during UG.

Is this real? lol

Political Stats, yes.

Wouldn't you know.

On another note, I withdrew from Pepperdine a few weeks ago. Good luck, hopefully someone on TLS gets my spot and scholarship money!