Fordham c/o 2015/16 (2011-2012 Cycle) Forum

[dingbat]

What if cost of living is not an issue...living with family?

Just tuition alone at Fordham?

Is anyone going sticker or close to it?

The majority of people going to Fordham pay sticker

[aj922]

ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?

[dingbat]

ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?

Fordham with a total debt of less than $100k is not bad at all.
There are people who'll gladly pay more, there are people who'd argue Fordham for free is barely worth it. Look at the employment stats and decide if you are willing to take the risk.

[ned]

ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?

Fordham with a total debt of less than $100k is not bad at all.
There are people who'll gladly pay more, there are people who'd argue Fordham for free is barely worth it. Look at the employment stats and decide if you are willing to take the risk.

Assuming Fordham is your best option, I agree that $100k in total debt is reasonable. Enviable, even.

[Zionman]

ok....how about less than 100k total for Fordham

worth it?
looking for midlaw in NYC

if the only other option is a T2, should i go?

If you're shooting/looking for midlaw, you already have the wrong mindset. With that frame of mind and those two options, I would not go to law school.

[aj922]

I would obviously like to do as well as possible

I was just asking about fordham

Where are you going to school ?

[JCFindley]

I would obviously like to do as well as possible

I was just asking about fordham

Where are you going to school ?

AJ, Zion is one of the four or five trolls/jilted lovers we have on this thread. Basically, they enjoy dropping by every so often and stating how inferior Fordham is than some lower ranked school that gave them more money.

The only one of them that has anything real to say is Mr Anon as he is a student there (or was, he may have just graduated.)

And at the Z man, not everyone has the end game goal of working 2000 plus billable hours/year doing inanely boring crap just because it pays well. For those that do or are actually interested in such things, more power to them but biglaw is not for everyone.

[Zionman]

Not going to Fordham, going to G-town, but I don't see how that disqualifies my comment.

Allow me to elaborate a little further, since I'm just trying to help.

a) 'Looking' for midlaw, because you don't think you can make biglaw is, for sure, the wrong mindset, regardless of what school you're attending.

b) If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread) and are targeting a midlaw firm (which are, by the way, scarce), you will have a near zero percent chance of paying back 100K in loans plus 6.8-9% interest within any decent period of time (say 12 years) on a midlaw salary of 40-60K pre taxes. Translation: you are ruined financially. On the plus side, if your target is biglaw then you have about a 30-35% chance of not being financially ruined. All figures approximate.

c) Going to a tier 2 school while entailing less debt isnt a good option, either.

[Fujin11]

Not going to Fordham, going to G-town, but I don't see how that disqualifies my comment.

Allow me to elaborate a little further, since I'm just trying to help.

a) 'Looking' for midlaw, because you don't think you can make biglaw is, for sure, the wrong mindset, regardless of what school you're attending.

b) If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread) and are targeting a midlaw firm (which are, by the way, scarce), you will have a near zero percent chance of paying back 100K in loans plus 6.8-9% interest within any decent period of time (say 12 years) on a midlaw salary of 40-60K pre taxes. Translation: you are ruined financially. On the plus side, if your target is biglaw then you have about a 30-35% chance of not being financially ruined. All figures approximate.

c) Going to a tier 2 school while entailing less debt isnt a good option, either.

So you're of the opinion that you should only go to law school if mommy and daddy can write you a giant check? Even if a school gives you 30k you're gonna end up with around 100k of debt by the time you graduate, so you should only go to law school if you're already rich?

[dingbat]

If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread) and are targeting a midlaw firm (which are, by the way, scarce), you will have a near zero percent chance of paying back 100K in loans plus 6.8-9% interest within any decent period of time (say 12 years) on a midlaw salary of 40-60K pre taxes. Translation: you are ruined financially. On the plus side, if your target is biglaw then you have about a 30-35% chance of not being financially ruined. All figures approximate.

What exactly is your definition of midlaw, and where does that salary information come from?
Not to sow misinformation, but, as a quick example, many of the Jersey firms don't qualify as "biglaw" but still pay over 6 figures to incoming associates

Going to a tier 2 school while entailing less debt isnt a good option, either.

Depends on the Tier 2, the end goal and the scholarship amount. It doesn't have to be a bad option either

[JCFindley]

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Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.

[JCFindley]

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Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.

I was getting a little worried about ya there DB.

[dingbat]

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Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.

I was getting a little worried about ya there DB.

I'm training my replacement at work and we just had a spike in activity these past few weeks.
I barely have time to breathe

[JCFindley]

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Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately.

I was getting a little worried about ya there DB.

I'm training my replacement at work and we just had a spike in activity these past few weeks.
I barely have time to breathe

You taking any time off before you start school?

[dingbat]

You taking any time off before you start school?

August 18 to August 19

[JCFindley]

You taking any time off before you start school?

August 18 to August 19

Sweet!

[JenDarby]

Not going to Fordham, going to G-town, but I don't see how that disqualifies my comment.

If you go to Fordham (or any other peer school...not trying to piss off any closet Fordham adcomms on this thread)

People who didn't get accepted and or get money from Fordham are absurdly bitter this year.

There are no Fordham adcomms who post in this thread. There is no need to come in and knock a school that didn't give you what you want or that you don't like. I personally think Georgetown is an abominal decision, but again that's a personal belief. Your personal opinions and bitterness towards Fordham do not belong here.

You and them and everyone else are all free to discuss whether or not attending is a good idea in the appropriate forum, not here.

Starting or perpetuating arguments here about whether a school is worth attending may be deemed trolling and get you banned.

[DTDT]

The question of is it worth x for y, really depends on the person.

I for one loved everything about Fordham, the fact that they don't give out a ton of merit scholarships isn't a bad thing. It means students really want to be there and it does add to the culture that Fordham has carefully cultivated over the years.

If one were solely looking at big law Fordham would not be your best option. It may be the best option you were accepted too but there is always the option to re-take the test and reapply to schools. But if you are looking for a school that does get big law firms to interview and hire students, has a culture and network that is very supportive (rather than uber competitive), has very qualified faculty, opportunities for students to edit and write reviews/journals and a rigorous curriculum that prepares you for the craft of Lawyering. Than Fordham at sticker is a good price.

Fordham is an all-around quality school and decent investment for many prospective lawyers. They offer few merit scholarships and remain high in the "rankings", there is a reason for that.

Unfortunately for me, I am employed already and not planning on leaving my firm so the option to get a law degree subsidized (100%) makes attending law school without merit scholarship an absurd choice. But I must say it was a difficult choice, Fordham is that good. If I wasn't a 15-year finance vet and needed Fordham credentials and network I would have gladly invested at sticker (or retaken and gone to a T12).

[Robespierre]

Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

[JenDarby]

Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

This is not the proper forum for such, and you clearly missed the point of my post. I made very clear it was my personal opinion/decision, as most law school decisions are at that level. There are plenty of reasons for someone to prefer Georgetown and plenty of reasons to prefer Fordham. There is also an excellent forum to discuss the relevant merits on an individual basis.

I recognize that a post at the very top of this forum entitled "Read this before posting in this forum," can be very confusing, however it does contain useful information, clearly.

[dingbat]

Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

Without wanting to derail, I'd choose Fordham over Georgetown as well and I think JC Findley would too (each for different reasons), although neither would refer to the school as an abomination

[JenDarby]

Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

Without wanting to derail, I'd choose Fordham over Georgetown as well and I think JC Findley would too (each for different reasons), although neither would refer to the school as an abomination

Ha well see I didn't and wouldn't refer to Georgetown as an abomination. It would however have been a very poor decision for me personally.

[Robespierre]

Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

This is not the proper forum for such, and you clearly missed the point of my post. I made very clear it was my personal opinion/decision, as most law school decisions are at that level. There are plenty of reasons for someone to prefer Georgetown and plenty of reasons to prefer Fordham. There is also an excellent forum to discuss the relevant merits on an individual basis.

I recognize that a post at the very top of this forum entitled "Read this before posting in this forum," can be very confusing, however it does contain useful information, clearly.

Yes, I know it's your personal opinion/decision. I was wondering what the basis is for it. You went out of your way to put Georgetown down. Please don't do that and then retreat to the position of "this is not the proper forum to discuss it."

The fact is that GULC crushes Fordham in every area that should matter to a 0L:

- Biglaw placement;
- Overall employment percentage;
- Quality of student body;
- Availability of merit money;
- USNWR ranking;
- Specialty rankings;
- Facilities;
- public interest placement and loan forgiveness.

An individual might have reasons for preferring F, but G is the better school overall. Yet someone mentioned that they're going to G and you fired back, without knowing the first thing about them, that you think it's an "abominal decision." That's way off base.

[dingbat]

Georgetown is an "abominal decision" but Fordham isn't? Can you please explain that statement, JenDarby? Thanks.

Without wanting to derail, I'd choose Fordham over Georgetown as well and I think JC Findley would too (each for different reasons), although neither would refer to the school as an abomination

Ha well see I didn't and wouldn't refer to Georgetown as an abomination. It would however have been a very poor decision for me personally.

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Yes, for me it would also have been an abominable decision