Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[Smc1994]

If you're genuinely curious, I can ask a partner about it.

I can ask my friends there too, but no, I'm not genuinely curious enough for you to reach out for me.
W&C is not in the cards for me.

I'll reach out to RBJ tomorrow and get her take on it. Anyone want me to put in a good word for a clerkship in 4 years? (She told me last week she's staying over coffee)

Ah yes, the Frankenstein-esque amalgam of LBJ and RBG. How is (s)he doing?

Mx. Johnson is holding up well, but ze has grown greater and more terrible than hir creators ever imagined.

I don't understand a single one of those pronouns.

[dddddd90]

If you're genuinely curious, I can ask a partner about it.

I can ask my friends there too, but no, I'm not genuinely curious enough for you to reach out for me.
W&C is not in the cards for me.

I'll reach out to RBJ tomorrow and get her take on it. Anyone want me to put in a good word for a clerkship in 4 years? (She told me last week she's staying over coffee)

Ah yes, the Frankenstein-esque amalgam of LBJ and RBG. How is (s)he doing?

Mx. Johnson is holding up well, but ze has grown greater and more terrible than hir creators ever imagined.

I don't understand a single one of those pronouns.

That's the point.

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

I would choose HLS over any other school with any scholly in a heartbeat. The fact is just that you can pay off your debt in two years anyway if you work in BigLaw.

lolwut

You could almost definitely pay off sticker h in two years. No one does it but with starting big law salary at 180 you could live on 60k a year and get really close if not done in two. If you were willing to live on even less that would get faster still.
That requires you to work like you're in big law and live like you never went to law school, but it's doable if you really want your debt gone asap

are you accounting for taxes and COL while working?

His or her avatar is Ben Wyatt. Funny.

Accountants fuck up quick math too sometimes

Nah but y'all are right 2 years probably isn't doable

[Rigo]

I want PI/gov but it's fun to backseat drive.

I prefer to think of corporate representation as a form of serving the public's interest.

How very Cory Booker of you.

Let's not forget that Mitt's got a JD/MBA from H.

It was moreso a dig at Cory Booker claiming to be some great public interest politician while jerking off Wall Street more than anybody, but that's neither here nor there.

[Leliana]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

[Smc1994]

If you're genuinely curious, I can ask a partner about it.

I can ask my friends there too, but no, I'm not genuinely curious enough for you to reach out for me.
W&C is not in the cards for me.

I'll reach out to RBJ tomorrow and get her take on it. Anyone want me to put in a good word for a clerkship in 4 years? (She told me last week she's staying over coffee)

Ah yes, the Frankenstein-esque amalgam of LBJ and RBG. How is (s)he doing?

Mx. Johnson is holding up well, but ze has grown greater and more terrible than hir creators ever imagined.

I don't understand a single one of those pronouns.

That's the point.

http://totalfratmove.com/personal-prono ... ns-campus/

[Smc1994]

I want PI/gov but it's fun to backseat drive.

I prefer to think of corporate representation as a form of serving the public's interest.

How very Cory Booker of you.

Let's not forget that Mitt's got a JD/MBA from H.

It was moreso a dig at Cory Booker claiming to be some great public interest politician while jerking off Wall Street more than anybody, but that's neither here nor there.

That awkward moment when you think Cory Booker is too liberal...

[bloomsday]

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[curry1]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

and very close to that in CA/DC (i.e where a solid majority of the biglaw jobs are).

[R. Jeeves]

Where are people pulling these 300,000+ numbers from? No one who graduates law school is in that much debt, even if they pay ticket and don't have a penny walking in. Hell, with summer work placements, most debts aren't much above 200,000, even in New York. Objective numbers? Bullshit.

i dont imagine it hitting 300k. HLS puts up a pretty high 9 month COL figure. you could live for an entire year on less. plus yeah, factor in your summer/other income during LS.

but still, with interest and yearly tuition increases i wouldnt be surprised if sticker meant graduating at least 240k in the hole. i havent crunched the numbers precisely, so if someone wants to throw a number at me that includes summers, then i'd be interested.

im not weighing in on the "worth it" debate btw - i just like putting numbers on thing.

[Rigo]

That awkward moment when you think Cory Booker is too liberal...

Hey I don't want him near the White House either.
Common ground!

[Smc1994]

That awkward moment when you think Cory Booker is too liberal...

Hey I don't want him near the White House either.
Common ground!

I'll take it. Consensus is consensus!

[OnlyHumean]

Can I chime in? Now, people might call me illogical/stupid/don't be a lawyer, but here is my take on it: We picked to become attorneys, right? We chose our career. We hope not to change it and we are going to school and paying a good amount of money, as well as spending time, on it. You have one life. Wouldn't you want to go to the best school possible? Even if at sticker? Your diploma will stick with you for the rest of your life. You will be spending the next 60 years of your life explaining to your employers/kids/friends that "Oh, I could've went into Harvard and got in, but I chose to go to University of Virginia as it was just cheaper and made more sense."

I don't know guys, it's just I feel like we have one shot at this for something that remains with us our whole career and life.

This concern would make sense only if lawyers stood around whipping out and comparing their diplomas rather than actual work product and business brought into the firm. Psst, they don't. So in the end, going after 300k debt is more of a personal preference ("I want to drop the H-bomb") and in that case, you do you but spare us the pretense of logic.

+1
Without being too specific, I know a soon-to-be-retired lawyer that reached the unequivocal top of her field and went to a TII "because it was cheaper." Pretty sure no one thinks less of her for it.

Doesn't mean there aren't objective differences between statistical outcomes of TII vs. HLS-- Her point to me, though, was essentially if you have the option of being successful from a TII and being successful from HLS, the difference is basically 300k and years of crippling debt vs bragging rights. Whether you find that argument persuasive is one thing, but I just found it to be an interesting perspective from someone I respected.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you know if you "have the option of being successful from a TII" until you've done it? It sounds like she's essentially saying "If you know everything will work out amazing after going to a TII, then go to a TII because it will be cheaper"
Sure. But the problem is we don't know if everything will work out amazing. Which is why we assume median; and I'd much rather be median at HLS than at a TII.

I just don't understand what this is supposed to tell us in advance of actually knowing how things work out.

In reality, if you're getting Harvard you'll have significant T14/T20 money so it's not like you'll be damned to the second tier.

Sure. But that's not the situation we're talking about.

I'm just trying to understand how the partner's message in the anecdote was more than "if you can see the future, and it turns out you do well, don't worry, take TII over HLS"

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

Well I would love a citation because I'm getting 130 without itemizing

[dddddd90]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

Well I would love a citation because I'm getting 130 without itemizing

Sweet summer child

[Smc1994]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

Well I would love a citation because I'm getting 130 without itemizing

Did you do state+city??

[CHyde]

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[curry1]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

Well I would love a citation because I'm getting 130 without itemizing

Did you do state+city??

don't forget the feds

[curry1]

JS1 and NYU acceptance in one day...

CONGRATS!

[Pozzo]

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[texteach]

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[Smc1994]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

Well I would love a citation because I'm getting 130 without itemizing

Did you do state+city??

don't forget the feds

Sorry, I meant to suggest that he only calculated Federal tax.

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

180 is not 115 after taxes

It very much is in NYC, lol.

Well I would love a citation because I'm getting 130 without itemizing

Did you do state+city??

don't forget the feds

Sorry, I meant to suggest that he only calculated Federal tax.

It was FICA, but that's still 120 not 115 or 110 as others have cited. And we're still leaving 4k of interest payments alone off the table here.

Whatever I've conceded long ago that two years is impossible, these numbers just aren't as cut and dry as some here are pretending they are.

And that 300# is just crazy talk, no one should ever pay that much in coa

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