Cardozo Law C/O 2020 Forum

[Charlie802]

The number of people in the ramp program definitely isn't included in the ABA disclosure info. It may be somewhere else- but I haven't found it. I think salaries also vary fwiw but it's meant to be a cheap way for firms to hire an associate for a year and salaries start at 40K I believe (I doubt anyone is making more than 50-60). I also can't find stats as to how many people stay with the firm, but it's probably too early in the program to tell.

I'm not trying to say don't go to Cardozo at all because I'm considering it- this is just one aspect of their stats that makes me curious/worry.

Just did a quick search since I'm bored at work: https://cardozo.yu.edu/news/cardozo-law ... -graduates

RAMP jobs offered to recent graduates have increased almost four-fold since 2013, when the program was created. In 2015, 130 employers partnered with Cardozo Law to offer jobs through RAMP, and to date, 33 students from the class of 2015 secured jobs through the program.

Using the* 2015 disclosure -- 33 out of 362 or approximately 9% of the 2015 graduating class were employed through RAMP. I'd imagine that eats into the Employed # breakdown whether it's bar passage required or other.

My guess is that these are people who are in the bottom of the class.

So top of the class gets big law, the bottom of the class gets ramp program. What's the consensus on people who hang out at the middle?

[Mikey]

So top of the class gets big law, the bottom of the class gets ramp program. What's the consensus on people who hang out at the middle?

anecdotal but I had a friend who graduated median at dozo and works at a small firm

[baseballfan660]

So top of the class gets big law, the bottom of the class gets ramp program. What's the consensus on people who hang out at the middle?

anecdotal but I had a friend who graduated median at dozo and works at a small firm

you prob don't know this, but do uk the starting salary, and if he/she was pumped for the job, or it was like a backup plan/ lucky to have a job.

[Mikey]

So top of the class gets big law, the bottom of the class gets ramp program. What's the consensus on people who hang out at the middle?

anecdotal but I had a friend who graduated median at dozo and works at a small firm

you prob don't know this, but do uk the starting salary, and if he/she was pumped for the job, or it was like a backup plan/ lucky to have a job.

tbh it was luck for her getting the job. I met her while I was doing an UG intern and she was doing the same internship as me. I always thought that kinda sucked for a LS grad but she mass mailed and eventually got something after a year of being out of school

[baseballfan660]

So top of the class gets big law, the bottom of the class gets ramp program. What's the consensus on people who hang out at the middle?

anecdotal but I had a friend who graduated median at dozo and works at a small firm

you prob don't know this, but do uk the starting salary, and if he/she was pumped for the job, or it was like a backup plan/ lucky to have a job.

tbh it was luck for her getting the job. I met her while I was doing an UG intern and she was doing the same internship as me. I always thought that kinda sucked for a LS grad but she mass mailed and eventually got something after a year of being out of school

damn, that doesn't sound too great. Was she awkward or anything, that would lead you to believe she flubbed interviews? Also how many years ago was this if you don't mind sharing.

[Mikey]

So top of the class gets big law, the bottom of the class gets ramp program. What's the consensus on people who hang out at the middle?

anecdotal but I had a friend who graduated median at dozo and works at a small firm

you prob don't know this, but do uk the starting salary, and if he/she was pumped for the job, or it was like a backup plan/ lucky to have a job.

tbh it was luck for her getting the job. I met her while I was doing an UG intern and she was doing the same internship as me. I always thought that kinda sucked for a LS grad but she mass mailed and eventually got something after a year of being out of school

damn, that doesn't sound too great. Was she awkward or anything, that would lead you to believe she flubbed interviews? Also how many years ago was this if you don't mind sharing.

this was during the summer of 2015. and no, she seemed like a great person, very friendly and outgoing, we all loved her and had a small party when she landed her job. she just said that it was really hard for her to find a job being at median. idk about her salary though.

I know a current 3L who got a job though, and I believe she is around median. so I think from dozo, being median is hit or miss.

keep in mind, this is anecdotal. there could've been something wrong with her interviews, etc. that prevented her from having a job sooner. I'm just stating what I know about her and since I thought it was really weird she was doing an unpaid internship that was mainly for UG's since she had passed the bar already

[lillawyer2]

So top of the class gets big law, the bottom of the class gets ramp program. What's the consensus on people who hang out at the middle?

anecdotal but I had a friend who graduated median at dozo and works at a small firm

you prob don't know this, but do uk the starting salary, and if he/she was pumped for the job, or it was like a backup plan/ lucky to have a job.

tbh it was luck for her getting the job. I met her while I was doing an UG intern and she was doing the same internship as me. I always thought that kinda sucked for a LS grad but she mass mailed and eventually got something after a year of being out of school

damn, that doesn't sound too great. Was she awkward or anything, that would lead you to believe she flubbed interviews? Also how many years ago was this if you don't mind sharing.

this was during the summer of 2015. and no, she seemed like a great person, very friendly and outgoing, we all loved her and had a small party when she landed her job. she just said that it was really hard for her to find a job being at median. idk about her salary though.

I know a current 3L who got a job though, and I believe she is around median. so I think from dozo, being median is hit or miss.

keep in mind, this is anecdotal. there could've been something wrong with her interviews, etc. that prevented her from having a job sooner. I'm just stating what I know about her and since I thought it was really weird she was doing an unpaid internship that was mainly for UG's since she had passed the bar already

Thanks for the insight.

Do you know if she regretted attending Cardozo/thought her prospects were limited do to the school?

It is heartbreaking she took an unpaid internship as a law graduate!

[Mikey]

Thanks for the insight.

Do you know if she regretted attending Cardozo/thought her prospects were limited do to the school?

It is heartbreaking she took an unpaid internship as a law graduate!

I actually asked her if she'd recommend Cardozo for me and if she regretted it. She said she didn't regret it, she liked the school and said it's a good school. What she did say she regretted though was not doing better on the LSAT to get more scholarship money.

[potus]

Getting ready to send my deposit

[Shakawkaw]

Getting ready to send my deposit

[Mikey]

Getting ready to send my deposit

are you going to dozo, Shaka?

[lawlschool2020]

Cardozo just increased my skolly. Why r they doing this to moe?

Me to! How much did they increase yours?(if you want or anyone else doesn't want to PM me cause they don't want to put it online that's cool, I understand). I already put my increase in my "choosing a law school" thread so I guess there's no point in hiding it, I got a 3k a year increase which makes it about a half ride. Also mine was solicited from several months ago, was yours unsolicited(not sure if you were just leaning towards another school like me and are upset cause this just the decision harder which is exactly the same boat I'm in)?

Same increase. This puts me at the same place as you. I am leaning toward Fordham bc of the higher ranking, I loved the school and ASD was on point. I also live across town from Fordham so its only a 20min walk. My dad is also a Fordham fan and well, unless Columbia knocks on my door. I don't think I can go anywhere else lol. Id fight my dad on Fordham if Columbia says yes. lol

I wouldn't go to Fordham for the higher ranking(all it yields is about a 13-16% rough estimate better chance of getting BL) but yeah a 20 min walk makes it a no brainer for you. I'd tend to agree with you on Columbia some things are just worth selling your eternal soul to Sallie Mae for and that's one of them.

If I graduated from Columbia, the connections I would hopefully make. The job I would possess. It makes Sallie Mae look so small. I would have no fear of its devil fingers touching my soul.

I don't want big law. However, I will take any percentage boost I get. As a NY school Fordham gets a lot of respect and leads the pack of lower ranked NYC schools. Their alumni is on point. They hire their own, are fiercly supportive and their career services is on point with employment opportunities for students. They have very good connections. (I know many Fordham grads and students.) Also when it comes to competition for jobs after NYU, Cornell, Columbia and a few T-14's naw through them like hungry, hungry hippos...Fordham is next in line to chow down. Then their is aesthetic reasons. The new school is beautiful. Lincoln Center is amazing.

Cardozo on the other hand won my heart. They are so nice. Everyone was so nice. Cardozo it seemed like you were talking to a mom or grandmom. I guess warm is the right word. I felt safe. lol They did present me with a good scholarship. However, there is much that led me to assume their is some-more struggle there and I would not be happy with my prospects. I do know some people from the school who are really successful, but they are connected in their fields, have high profile family members and chose Dozo because they are Jewish. lol

I am actually going to do more research and see if Dozo has some student groups/concentrations that I am interested in. Dozo was also the first school that accepted me. It will always have a place in my heart! They made me feel so special! I still ponder whether I am making the right choice.

Also loved the people at Dozo, wasnt thrilled by the facilities though(although to be fair I went when it was snowing and maybe this colored my mood negatively. Cardozo is in the best area of Manhattan though if i go im going to dorm for that crucial first year cause commuting from an outer borough is a pain in the ass(that proximity to your law school of choice is fucking awesome by the way, im that close to SJU but those mofos just keep trying to scam people with those bad conditional schollys so I couldnt take advantage of the oppurtunity to walk a few minutes from home(it would have been awesome!).

Btw i wasnt being sarcastic about Sallie Mae going to Columbia Law is something people would literally kill for(if youve seen yale reps modern rendition of Macbeth youd know what im talking about!) Im considering signing my soul away to Sallie Mae Washington and Lee if they take me off the WL.

Hey can I ask why you're so interested in W&L? I'm currently debating between Cardozo, SJU, and W&L. I have a very specific reason for considering W&L (most people I spoke to never thought about it). I applied to W&L pretty late but they accepted me a week or so later. I found that strange, possibly suspicious since my numbers weren't that great to begin with.

[Ferrisjso]

Cardozo just increased my skolly. Why r they doing this to moe?

Me to! How much did they increase yours?(if you want or anyone else doesn't want to PM me cause they don't want to put it online that's cool, I understand). I already put my increase in my "choosing a law school" thread so I guess there's no point in hiding it, I got a 3k a year increase which makes it about a half ride. Also mine was solicited from several months ago, was yours unsolicited(not sure if you were just leaning towards another school like me and are upset cause this just the decision harder which is exactly the same boat I'm in)?

Same increase. This puts me at the same place as you. I am leaning toward Fordham bc of the higher ranking, I loved the school and ASD was on point. I also live across town from Fordham so its only a 20min walk. My dad is also a Fordham fan and well, unless Columbia knocks on my door. I don't think I can go anywhere else lol. Id fight my dad on Fordham if Columbia says yes. lol

I wouldn't go to Fordham for the higher ranking(all it yields is about a 13-16% rough estimate better chance of getting BL) but yeah a 20 min walk makes it a no brainer for you. I'd tend to agree with you on Columbia some things are just worth selling your eternal soul to Sallie Mae for and that's one of them.

If I graduated from Columbia, the connections I would hopefully make. The job I would possess. It makes Sallie Mae look so small. I would have no fear of its devil fingers touching my soul.

I don't want big law. However, I will take any percentage boost I get. As a NY school Fordham gets a lot of respect and leads the pack of lower ranked NYC schools. Their alumni is on point. They hire their own, are fiercly supportive and their career services is on point with employment opportunities for students. They have very good connections. (I know many Fordham grads and students.) Also when it comes to competition for jobs after NYU, Cornell, Columbia and a few T-14's naw through them like hungry, hungry hippos...Fordham is next in line to chow down. Then their is aesthetic reasons. The new school is beautiful. Lincoln Center is amazing.

Cardozo on the other hand won my heart. They are so nice. Everyone was so nice. Cardozo it seemed like you were talking to a mom or grandmom. I guess warm is the right word. I felt safe. lol They did present me with a good scholarship. However, there is much that led me to assume their is some-more struggle there and I would not be happy with my prospects. I do know some people from the school who are really successful, but they are connected in their fields, have high profile family members and chose Dozo because they are Jewish. lol

I am actually going to do more research and see if Dozo has some student groups/concentrations that I am interested in. Dozo was also the first school that accepted me. It will always have a place in my heart! They made me feel so special! I still ponder whether I am making the right choice.

Also loved the people at Dozo, wasnt thrilled by the facilities though(although to be fair I went when it was snowing and maybe this colored my mood negatively. Cardozo is in the best area of Manhattan though if i go im going to dorm for that crucial first year cause commuting from an outer borough is a pain in the ass(that proximity to your law school of choice is fucking awesome by the way, im that close to SJU but those mofos just keep trying to scam people with those bad conditional schollys so I couldnt take advantage of the oppurtunity to walk a few minutes from home(it would have been awesome!).

Btw i wasnt being sarcastic about Sallie Mae going to Columbia Law is something people would literally kill for(if youve seen yale reps modern rendition of Macbeth youd know what im talking about!) Im considering signing my soul away to Sallie Mae Washington and Lee if they take me off the WL.

Hey can I ask why you're so interested in W&L? I'm currently debating between Cardozo, SJU, and W&L. I have a very specific reason for considering W&L (most people I spoke to never thought about it). I applied to W&L pretty late but they accepted me a week or so later. I found that strange, possibly suspicious since my numbers weren't that great to begin with.

Well I applied because it seemed like a school in a region I wanted that I could get into and maybe even nab money from. That clearly didn't work out because they just have small class sizes. Became more interested when people said my most likely outcome was getting stuck in a small town in the middle of nowhere which sounded really appealing to me.

[wildquest8200]

can someone tell me how they began the renegotiation of scholly/if anyone got their scholarship bumped up to a full?
thanks!

[quietnoise]

Anyone else having trouble logging on to Cardozo's site? I wanted to check status checker but it says the site can't be reached. I've tried using multiple browsers and devices.

[potus]

Anyone else having trouble logging on to Cardozo's site? I wanted to check status checker but it says the site can't be reached. I've tried using multiple browsers and devices.

Hey there. Just tested for you. The page/website is down on my work computer and also laptop.

[babygap5]

Anyone still waiting to hear?

[quietnoise]

Anyone still waiting to hear?

I'm still waiting, but I only submitted a week ago. I think turnaround time seems to be 14 days +/- a weekend.

[ml530]

Anyone still waiting to hear?

Still waiting. I submitted my LOCI, updated transcript and a new LOR three weeks ago. Hope to hear soon, otherwise I'll be paying my deposit elsewhere on 4/15.

[Charlie802]

Just withdrew with $$. Best of luck to everyone!

[jg_]

Has Cardozo not submitted their 2016 employment #'s or am I just not seeing it? I thought all schools had to submit to ABA by 4/8 or so.

[quietnoise]

Someone posted an acceptance today on lsn. Maybe there will be an acceptance wave?

[potus]

Has Cardozo not submitted their 2016 employment #'s or am I just not seeing it? I thought all schools had to submit to ABA by 4/8 or so.

Did you go to http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/?

[lillawyer2]

Has Cardozo not submitted their 2016 employment #'s or am I just not seeing it? I thought all schools had to submit to ABA by 4/8 or so.

Did you go to http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/?

I didnt see their employment listed

[jg_]

Has Cardozo not submitted their 2016 employment #'s or am I just not seeing it? I thought all schools had to submit to ABA by 4/8 or so.

Did you go to http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/?

Yep, it's not on there. ALthough, today is the first day that "2016" is an option on this website. Previously it was just 2015. So maybe it's being uploaded.

Cardozo's seat deposit is tomorrow and any information helps. I may ask for an extension.