Held By Harvard Club - 2010 Forum

[Emma.]

I guess I belong in this club.

[Legalite]

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[Kronk]

Consensus for new LORs: do we send them to LSDAS or to Harvard directly??

Straight to HLS seems to expedite the process. Posts in about 4-5 days.

Credited. I sent it through LSDAS and it took about 1.5 weeks.

I originally had all my LORs faxed, which were posted in less than a day. So processing this way won't take long..right? I also heard H prefers LSDAS but don't know if this is true.

Has everyone in the club been sending it straight? I would call H but I am in a different timezone and do not want to wake up in the middle of the night to call the office.

Well, faxing would probably be near as fast. However, Harvard has all app materials sent by regular mail, so I still think it might be slower than just sending the letter there directly.

[Havaianas]

Consensus for new LORs: do we send them to LSDAS or to Harvard directly??

Straight to HLS seems to expedite the process. Posts in about 4-5 days.

Credited. I sent it through LSDAS and it took about 1.5 weeks.

I originally had all my LORs faxed, which were posted in less than a day. So processing this way won't take long..right? I also heard H prefers LSDAS but don't know if this is true.

Has everyone in the club been sending it straight? I would call H but I am in a different timezone and do not want to wake up in the middle of the night to call the office.

I had my recommender send in one copy to LSDAS and one to Harvard just to cover all bases - my file updated in a week.

[JollyGreenGiant]

Tagged.

Hai guyz.

[TheWire]

I kinda don't feel like going through previous pages, so would anyone be kind enough to tell me what proportion of applicants are usually held by H and what the possibility of receiving an acceptance after a hold may be...

thanks

[ShibaDan]

I kinda don't feel like going through previous pages, so would anyone be kind enough to tell me what proportion of applicants are usually held by H and what the possibility of receiving an acceptance after a hold may be...

thanks

I didn't see hold to admit, but someone previously said that most hold applicants are waitlisted and that Harvard dips into about 15% of its waitlist...so not 0 actually. Good luck! Hopefully we'll all get in!

[of Benito Cereno]

I kinda don't feel like going through previous pages, so would anyone be kind enough to tell me what proportion of applicants are usually held by H and what the possibility of receiving an acceptance after a hold may be...

thanks

my guess is that about 300 applicants are being held for 50 spots.
and because, well I am home sick in bed today:

here is the Held by Harvard Club by numbers

fill in if you got JR1

URM
core - 168 3.9 JR1
roxj 165 3.7
PapantlaFlyer 165/3.8
gladitsover 171 3.6
lightbulb1986 JR1
SimonSaysStudy JR1
Legacy316 167 3.9

balanced numbers
maggiebre 173 3.9
jlh39 4.0 173(168)
BioEBear2010 172 3.8
mozhou7 4.0/174(170) JR1
gahthelaw 172/3.7
hoopsguy6 176/3.85
moonshine 173 /3.7
spiffypyro 173 3.7
VoidSix 173 3.9
village-idiot 173 3.95
jrgong 173 3.9x
theWire 171 3.77
redhead77 171 3.7
BaiAilian JR1

HIGH GPA
Kretzty - 170 3.9
violaboy 171 3.85
amputatedbrain 165 4.0
Parker09 169 3.8
lz06 171 3.89 JR1
saya 170 4.1
5ky 171/3.94
sundevil77 171/4.0
gmichaelbluth 169/3.83
natalie123 171 4.0 JR1
crackberry 169 3.9 JR1
EigenvalueA 169/3.99
kumba84 169 3.9
mockstar 168 4.0

HIGH LSAT
Dtackpact75 174 3.55
of Benito Cereno 178/3.6
georgina JR1
wrappedupinbooks 176 3.53

No Numbers
23fulltimecowboys
stopscreaming
walfredo47
misslawyer2013
puppins
cordeliusX
4910
Mr. Crowley
PoorOrpheus
1armedscissor
def2104
iminlstrick
msoftceo JR1
swimbrad JR1
Havaianas
hiro86
hykang
crazyforhys JR1
fidesverita
zoey15
GargameIITT JR1
JollyGren Giant
psychomohel JR1
somewhatwayward JR1
ConMan345 JR1
sonja b JR1
aussie3b JR1
citydweller09 JR1
carterth JR1
emrose 176 __

At this point hold club is likely almost complete. Likely a few december applicants will be held this week. No point holding january applicants.
yea so about 60 holds here.

probably best to be in the balanced group.

and from the last two cycles on LSN:
WL/A or hold/accept (very late acceptances for early completions)
171 3.77
170 3.98
173 3.89
169 3.91
177 3.54
172 3.81
175 3.96
174 3.91
175 3.91
174 3.8
172 3.8
172 4
167 3.95
172 3.91
168 3.93
166 3.93
172 3.96
171 3.95
172 3.93
174 3.67

clearly having a 170 and 3.95 seems to be the way to get in off the waitlist. However, there are so few 176+ 3.65- applicants that its really hard to compare our chances to the much larger group of 172- 3.9+ applicants.

[parker09]

Oh, wow.

here is the Held by Harvard Club by numbers

I'm glad you're spending your "I'm abroad so I'm awake at odd hours when TLS is quiet" time in a useful manner, instead of how I just sit here refreshing the "view new posts" page over and over again even though there aren't really that many new posts...

Also, way to have the highest LSAT of the reported #s

[of Benito Cereno]

Oh, wow.

here is the Held by Harvard Club by numbers

I'm glad you're spending your "I'm abroad so I'm awake at odd hours when TLS is quiet" time in a useful manner, instead of how I just sit here refreshing the "view new posts" page over and over again even though there aren't really that many new posts...

Also, way to have the highest LSAT of the reported #s

I'm in Europe and home sick for the day (102 fever). As for the lsat, I know its wrong to say but I'm relieved that two 177 3.5+ applicants have been rejected so far on LSN because at least it means the hold isn't an automatic response.

and to make us holds feel better about ourselves:
rejected:
177 3.6
177 3.52
176 3.7
175 3.8
175 3.7
174 3.6
173 3.84
173 3.8

median or above lsat and below median gpa (and especially below 25%) is a much less safe to be right now than above median gpa and below median lsat. If you're 3.85+ and 168+ you are either held or admitted. There are a few rejects in that bracket but they all seem to have a reason (3 lsats, most recent score arrived after decision etc). So basically, being held if you're in that bracket is standard practice based on numbers. Being held if you are in the first bracket (3.8- 174+) means that they actually looked at your file and liked you more than some other people with your numbers. So I still can't decide which group is better to be in. History shows most late admits come from group 2 but group 1 is much smaller (and thus naturally makes up a smaller % of late admits and smaller group to choose from should HLS decide to go with high lsat) and is made up of people who for some reason or another committee expressly preferred over peers.



this year and past two years of bracket one.... yea, so actually a pretty big sample size and not so good

Accepted
177/3.68
177/3.57
177/3.6 (HYS)
177/3.65 (HYP)
(thisyear):
175/3.6 (Ivy)
179/3.67 (Stanford)

WL/A
177/3.54

WL/R or (WL/nothing)
179/3.61
178/3.63
178/3.52
177/3.58
177/3.57
177/3.69
176/3.72
176/3.66
175/3.58
175/3.65
175/3.77
179/3.58
178/3.68
177/3.6
177/3.5
177/3.5
176/3.68
176/3.6
175/3.55
175/3.63


WL/W
177/3.66
180/3.6


Rejectd
179/3.52
178 3.56
176/3.52
175/3.49
175/3.56
175/3.62
175/3.77
175/3.5
178/3.53
177/3.58
177/3.59
176/3.61
176/3.69
176/3.65
176/3.56
176/3.57
175/3.65
176/3.53
175/3.58
(this year):
177 3.6
177 3.52
176 3.7
175 3.8
175 3.7
174 3.6
173 3.84
173 3.8

[RhubarbPie]

I kinda don't feel like going through previous pages, so would anyone be kind enough to tell me what proportion of applicants are usually held by H and what the possibility of receiving an acceptance after a hold may be...

thanks

my guess is that about 300 applicants are being held for 50 spots.
and because, well I am home sick in bed today:

here is the Held by Harvard Club by numbers

fill in if you got JR1

URM
core - 168 3.9
roxj 165 3.7
PapantlaFlyer 165/3.8
gladitsover 171 3.6
lightbulb1986 JR1

balanced numbers
maggiebre 173 3.9
jlh39 4.0 173(168)
BioEBear2010 172 3.8
mozhou7 4.0/174(170)
gahthelaw 172/3.7
hoopsguy6 176/3.85
moonshine 173 /3.7 no JR1
spiffypyro 173 3.7 no JR1
VoidSix 173 3.9
village-idiot 173 3.95
jrgong 173 3.9x
theWire 171 3.77

HIGH GPA
Kretzty - 170 3.9
violaboy 171 3.85
amputatedbrain 165 4.0
Parker09 169 3.8
lz06 171 3.89
saya 170 4.1
5ky 171/3.94 no JR1
sundevil77 171/4.0
gmichaelbluth 169/3.83
natalie123 171 4.0 JR1
crackberry 169 3.9 JR1
EigenvalueA 169/3.99
kumba84 169 3.9 no JR1
mockstar 168 4.0

HIGH LSAT
Dtackpact75 174 3.55
of Benito Cereno 178/3.6 no JR1
georgina JR1
wrappedupinbooks 176 3.53 no JR1

No Numbers
23fulltimecowboys
stopscreaming
walfredo47
misslawyer2013
puppins
cordeliusX
4910
Mr. Crowley
PoorOrpheus
1armedscissor no NR1
def2104
iminlstrick
msoftceo
swimbrad JR1
Havaianas
hiro86
hykang
crazyforhys JR1
fidesverita
zoey15
GargameIITT
JollyGren Giant


At this point hold club is likely almost complete. Likely a few december applicants will be held this week. No point holding january applicants.
yea so about 60 holds here.

probably best to be in the balanced group.

and from the last two cycles on LSN:
WL/A or hold/accept (very late acceptances for early completions)
171 3.77
170 3.98
173 3.89
169 3.91
177 3.54
172 3.81
175 3.96
174 3.91
175 3.91
174 3.8
172 3.8
172 4
167 3.95
172 3.91
168 3.93
166 3.93
172 3.96
171 3.95
172 3.93
174 3.67

clearly having a 170 and 3.95 seems to be the way to get in off the waitlist. However, there are so few 176+ 3.65- applicants that its really hard to compare our chances to the much larger group of 172- 3.9+ applicants.

Sweet, thanks!

[mozhou7]

Of Benito,

Impressive Stuff!

I did have a JR1 (early Nov) if you wish to update the list - not too sure how I can do it.

Another quick thing...I had my file reviewed + had interview in Oct/Nov...but wrote the LSAT again in December and got a higher score. Do you think they actually had a chance to see that secore yet? It's hard to say because the score was mailed to them on Dec.30...and I got held Jan.11...What do you think?

Thanks,

[of Benito Cereno]

Of Benito,

Impressive Stuff!

I did have a JR1 (early Nov) if you wish to update the list - not too sure how I can do it.

Another quick thing...I had my file reviewed + had interview in Oct/Nov...but wrote the LSAT again in December and got a higher score. Do you think they actually had a chance to see that secore yet? It's hard to say because the score was mailed to them on Dec.30...and I got held Jan.11...What do you think?

Thanks,

I imagine that if you got the JR1 without the 174 the 174 will likely put you over the edge in the next few weeks when they go back to reviewing old files.


Question of the day: what % of JR1 but no JR2 were received during first month of JR1s. I imagine that the vast majority of JR1-hold happened early in the cycle when JR had fewer files and more time to make calls to non auto-admits. I think there are far fewer JR1s with a UR date after mid-november. If this were true then applicants who went complete late november on aren't necessarily worse off than those earlier applicants with similar numbers who got JR1s and were also held.

[fidesverita]

Wow you guys are awesome! Interesting stuff.

[violaboy]

Worked more on my LOCI, but it feels retarded. I need to just finish it tonight and send it...

[SimonSaysStudy]

I kinda don't feel like going through previous pages, so would anyone be kind enough to tell me what proportion of applicants are usually held by H and what the possibility of receiving an acceptance after a hold may be...

thanks

my guess is that about 300 applicants are being held for 50 spots.
and because, well I am home sick in bed today:

here is the Held by Harvard Club by numbers

fill in if you got JR1

URM
core - 168 3.9 JR1
roxj 165 3.7
PapantlaFlyer 165/3.8
gladitsover 171 3.6
lightbulb1986 JR1
SimonSaysStudy 3.8/165 JR1

balanced numbers
maggiebre 173 3.9
jlh39 4.0 173(168)
BioEBear2010 172 3.8
mozhou7 4.0/174(170) JR1
gahthelaw 172/3.7
hoopsguy6 176/3.85
moonshine 173 /3.7
spiffypyro 173 3.7
VoidSix 173 3.9
village-idiot 173 3.95
jrgong 173 3.9x
theWire 171 3.77
BaiAilian JR1

HIGH GPA
Kretzty - 170 3.9
violaboy 171 3.85
amputatedbrain 165 4.0
Parker09 169 3.8
lz06 171 3.89 JR1
saya 170 4.1
5ky 171/3.94
sundevil77 171/4.0
gmichaelbluth 169/3.83
natalie123 171 4.0 JR1
crackberry 169 3.9 JR1
EigenvalueA 169/3.99
kumba84 169 3.9
mockstar 168 4.0

HIGH LSAT
Dtackpact75 174 3.55
of Benito Cereno 178/3.6
georgina JR1
wrappedupinbooks 176 3.53

No Numbers
23fulltimecowboys
stopscreaming
walfredo47
misslawyer2013
puppins
cordeliusX
4910
Mr. Crowley
PoorOrpheus
1armedscissor
def2104
iminlstrick
msoftceo JR1
swimbrad JR1
Havaianas
hiro86
hykang
crazyforhys JR1
fidesverita
zoey15
GargameIITT JR1
JollyGren Giant
psychomohel JR1
somewhatwayward JR1
ConMan345 JR1
sonja b JR1
aussie3b JR1
citydweller09 JR1
carterth JR1
emrose 176 __

At this point hold club is likely almost complete. Likely a few december applicants will be held this week. No point holding january applicants.
yea so about 60 holds here.

probably best to be in the balanced group.

and from the last two cycles on LSN:
WL/A or hold/accept (very late acceptances for early completions)
171 3.77
170 3.98
173 3.89
169 3.91
177 3.54
172 3.81
175 3.96
174 3.91
175 3.91
174 3.8
172 3.8
172 4
167 3.95
172 3.91
168 3.93
166 3.93
172 3.96
171 3.95
172 3.93
174 3.67

clearly having a 170 and 3.95 seems to be the way to get in off the waitlist. However, there are so few 176+ 3.65- applicants that its really hard to compare our chances to the much larger group of 172- 3.9+ applicants.

What do you make of the urm holds?

[MahaloMontana]

I just got the hold email yesterday. Submitted in mid-November. No JR1.

[Legalite]

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[georgina]

Question of the day: what % of JR1 but no JR2 were received during first month of JR1s. I imagine that the vast majority of JR1-hold happened early in the cycle when JR had fewer files and more time to make calls to non auto-admits. I think there are far fewer JR1s with a UR date after mid-november. If this were true then applicants who went complete late november on aren't necessarily worse off than those earlier applicants with similar numbers who got JR1s and were also held.

i don't know about this... it seems like 1/3 of the JR1 but not JR2's are from the first month. my brief count was like 6-7 of the ~20. don't forget that for that first month of calls, he considers applicants from sept - oct and the stellar candidates from nov, which altogether comprise a significant number of apps.

[lz06]

wow awesome work Benito, thanks for info.

[Havaianas]

will Feb scores help us at all? Taking it this Saturday

yeah I kinda wish I had thought about taking the LSAT again in February earlier - I could really use a few extra points

[fidesverita]

will Feb scores help us at all? Taking it this Saturday

yeah I kinda wish I had thought about taking the LSAT again in February earlier - I could really use a few extra points

What's your current score?

[Legalite]

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[lz06]

Did everyone address their LOCI's to JR?

[amputatedbrain]

It needs to be said again: Great work Benito! Looks like I remain the lowest-LSAT (non-URM) being given serious consideration by H that anyone knows of

Edit: Which also means to any H adcomm who might look at this board, my anonymity is probably shot to hell