UC Irvine Law c/o 2019 Applicants (2015-2016) Forum

[ktbee]

So essentially the man who built UCI and used his own personal connections to get grads jobs is leaving before we're expected to graduate. Not too sure how I feel about this, UCI may be lowering itself in the coming future in rankings and in employment success.

First, the vast majority of students don't use the dean for personal connections. We have a robust CDO office and the traditional methods to get jobs too. Second, he isn't leaving (he will still be teaching) so he will still be able to use personal connections to the extent he does now.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Dean leaving (again, he isn't leaving). The school is set up to succeed long after he is done being dean.

I understand what you're trying to say but this man is literally the cornerstone of UCI Law and the fact that he is leaving before we're expected to graduate makes me question my potential success at UCI. And I also understand that he is actually stepping down to teaching, but the impact of a teacher and the impact of a dean or completely different. This is a major blow.

In my (humble) opinion, it's not a major blow. The school, faculty, and culture he built will still be intact. Most of the grads get jobs from the experience they get from the clinical/pro bono programs they offer, meaning, I don't think rankings would be effected significantly. Clerkships may be the exception. I'm an undecided 0L, but this will a small factor for me.

[lawschool0070]

So essentially the man who built UCI and used his own personal connections to get grads jobs is leaving before we're expected to graduate. Not too sure how I feel about this, UCI may be lowering itself in the coming future in rankings and in employment success.

First, the vast majority of students don't use the dean for personal connections. We have a robust CDO office and the traditional methods to get jobs too. Second, he isn't leaving (he will still be teaching) so he will still be able to use personal connections to the extent he does now.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Dean leaving (again, he isn't leaving). The school is set up to succeed long after he is done being dean.

I understand what you're trying to say but this man is literally the cornerstone of UCI Law and the fact that he is leaving before we're expected to graduate makes me question my potential success at UCI. And I also understand that he is actually stepping down to teaching, but the impact of a teacher and the impact of a dean or completely different. This is a major blow.

In my (humble) opinion, it's not a major blow. The school, faculty, and culture he built will still be intact. Most of the grads get jobs from the experience they get from the clinical/pro bono programs they offer, meaning, I don't think rankings would be effected significantly. Clerkships may be the exception. I'm an undecided 0L, but this will a small factor for me.

Clerkships are something I was definitely referring to, those are a huge number to UCI as posted all over their publications, and most of them are due directly to Chemerinsky's connections. Also a 0L, and just nervous as to what to expect from the future of this school

[Zotty11]

So essentially the man who built UCI and used his own personal connections to get grads jobs is leaving before we're expected to graduate. Not too sure how I feel about this, UCI may be lowering itself in the coming future in rankings and in employment success.

First, the vast majority of students don't use the dean for personal connections. We have a robust CDO office and the traditional methods to get jobs too. Second, he isn't leaving (he will still be teaching) so he will still be able to use personal connections to the extent he does now.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Dean leaving (again, he isn't leaving). The school is set up to succeed long after he is done being dean.

I understand what you're trying to say but this man is literally the cornerstone of UCI Law and the fact that he is leaving before we're expected to graduate makes me question my potential success at UCI. And I also understand that he is actually stepping down to teaching, but the impact of a teacher and the impact of a dean or completely different. This is a major blow.

In my (humble) opinion, it's not a major blow. The school, faculty, and culture he built will still be intact. Most of the grads get jobs from the experience they get from the clinical/pro bono programs they offer, meaning, I don't think rankings would be effected significantly. Clerkships may be the exception. I'm an undecided 0L, but this will a small factor for me.

Clerkships are something I was definitely referring to, those are a huge number to UCI as posted all over their publications, and most of them are due directly to Chemerinsky's connections. Also a 0L, and just nervous as to what to expect from the future of this school

Its his baby and he is HEAVILY invested in this school (time equity). I think its natural after ten years to want to take a little break before jumping back in. The full time faculty has a lot of pull and is top notch. They also contribute to clerkship success. I understand the worry but I know he cares deeply about the law school and will do everything in his power to make sure it keeps improving. He may stay for an additional year or two as Dean to facilitate the transition to the new building. Firms aren't going to care that he is on sabbatical I would imagine or even recognize that he is no longer the Dean. Finally, they are going to bring in a great candidate. If they invest a lot of time and effort into bringing on the sixth ranked faculty, I can't imagine he would see his seat go to somebody undeserving.

[calmtigers]

So essentially the man who built UCI and used his own personal connections to get grads jobs is leaving before we're expected to graduate. Not too sure how I feel about this, UCI may be lowering itself in the coming future in rankings and in employment success.

First, the vast majority of students don't use the dean for personal connections. We have a robust CDO office and the traditional methods to get jobs too. Second, he isn't leaving (he will still be teaching) so he will still be able to use personal connections to the extent he does now.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Dean leaving (again, he isn't leaving). The school is set up to succeed long after he is done being dean.

I understand what you're trying to say but this man is literally the cornerstone of UCI Law and the fact that he is leaving before we're expected to graduate makes me question my potential success at UCI. And I also understand that he is actually stepping down to teaching, but the impact of a teacher and the impact of a dean or completely different. This is a major blow.

In my (humble) opinion, it's not a major blow. The school, faculty, and culture he built will still be intact. Most of the grads get jobs from the experience they get from the clinical/pro bono programs they offer, meaning, I don't think rankings would be effected significantly. Clerkships may be the exception. I'm an undecided 0L, but this will a small factor for me.

Clerkships are something I was definitely referring to, those are a huge number to UCI as posted all over their publications, and most of them are due directly to Chemerinsky's connections. Also a 0L, and just nervous as to what to expect from the future of this school

Can't tell if these Zot posts are part of people's stips.... #SoUCI??? Hahahaha sorry, thats some serious dedication to the Zot!

[ppt5]

Can anyone estimate the number of students that attended the event? Were most of them undecided or set on Irvine?

Really bad at estimating crowds, but a decent #. It was slightly less than another school's ASW that I attended, but that school accepts a much larger class than UCI. Most were not 100% decided, but the event definitely seemed to convince a lot of people from what I could tell.

I was told 40 students had SIRed by ASW

[mysojuli]

So far I am getting a vibe that the school is not very helpful.

I got accepted 3 weeks ago. I have not gotten an acceptance package or any financial aid info. I called to ask about it, and nobody could tell me my scholarship information. Yesterday I called and it has not even been shipped out yet..SIR is next week and I have 0 clue what my award is looking like. That's not cool. I live in Florida if the package has not been sent out yet that means I will get my award next week.......

I would say this experience has made me think negatively about the school.

[forlornhope]

Have you tried asking for an extension on the SIR?

[ppt5]

So far I am getting a vibe that the school is not very helpful.

I got accepted 3 weeks ago. I have not gotten an acceptance package or any financial aid info. I called to ask about it, and nobody could tell me my scholarship information. Yesterday I called and it has not even been shipped out yet..SIR is next week and I have 0 clue what my award is looking like. That's not cool. I live in Florida if the package has not been sent out yet that means I will get my award next week.......

I would say this experience has made me think negatively about the school.

You may be able to see your financial aid award on the admitted students portal as well!

[shawndawgwright]

So far I am getting a vibe that the school is not very helpful.

I got accepted 3 weeks ago. I have not gotten an acceptance package or any financial aid info. I called to ask about it, and nobody could tell me my scholarship information. Yesterday I called and it has not even been shipped out yet..SIR is next week and I have 0 clue what my award is looking like. That's not cool. I live in Florida if the package has not been sent out yet that means I will get my award next week.......

I would say this experience has made me think negatively about the school.

You may be able to see your financial aid award on the admitted students portal as well!

So what should I do if I submitted my application in mid February and haven't heard a thing yet. I updated my resume about two weeks ago and acknowledged that I was still under review. If the SIR is due next week, what am I supposed to do?

[shawndawgwright]

So far I am getting a vibe that the school is not very helpful.

I got accepted 3 weeks ago. I have not gotten an acceptance package or any financial aid info. I called to ask about it, and nobody could tell me my scholarship information. Yesterday I called and it has not even been shipped out yet..SIR is next week and I have 0 clue what my award is looking like. That's not cool. I live in Florida if the package has not been sent out yet that means I will get my award next week.......

I would say this experience has made me think negatively about the school.

You may be able to see your financial aid award on the admitted students portal as well!

So what should I do if I submitted my application in mid February and haven't heard a thing yet. I updated my resume about two weeks ago and they acknowledged that I was still under review. If the SIR is due next week, what am I supposed to do?

[LShopeful2016]

So far I am getting a vibe that the school is not very helpful.

I got accepted 3 weeks ago. I have not gotten an acceptance package or any financial aid info. I called to ask about it, and nobody could tell me my scholarship information. Yesterday I called and it has not even been shipped out yet..SIR is next week and I have 0 clue what my award is looking like. That's not cool. I live in Florida if the package has not been sent out yet that means I will get my award next week.......

I would say this experience has made me think negatively about the school.

You may be able to see your financial aid award on the admitted students portal as well!

So what should I do if I submitted my application in mid February and haven't heard a thing yet. I updated my resume about two weeks ago and they acknowledged that I was still under review. If the SIR is due next week, what am I supposed to do?

You put a deposit down somewhere else.

[zot1]

I'm leaving this here for your reference:

http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students ... tatistics/

Employment rate was about 85%. BigLaw + Fed Clerkships was 28 ish %. The overall breakdown was pretty much a third of the class went to firms, another third to government, and another third to public interest. I'm personally pleased with this result because I think it shows a good representation of my class (some wanted biglaw, some wanted government, some wanted public interest...). However, I believe in transparency so you can should look at employment stats for all the schools you are considering before making a decision.

[kingwhereofis]

I'm leaving this here for your reference:

http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students ... tatistics/

Employment rate was about 85%. BigLaw + Fed Clerkships was 28 ish %. The overall breakdown was pretty much a third of the class went to firms, another third to government, and another third to public interest. I'm personally pleased with this result because I think it shows a good representation of my class (some wanted biglaw, some wanted government, some wanted public interest...). However, I believe in transparency so you can should look at employment stats for all the schools you are considering before making a decision.

These numbers overall look really really good to me. Especially the uptick in clerkships. I think a lot of people expected that # in particular to gradually drop as the school matured but it seems like UCI is going to be go-to school for a clerkship for quite a while. A significant number of school-funded positions, but that seems to be the case at many CA schools and I'm not particularly bothered by that as much as others are.

Is this going to be an up year in general for employment across schools? If I'm not mistaken these numbers are going to give UCI a score of 82-83% on LST (since ~2% of the 85% number were JD-advantage) which is higher than UCLA's score last year.

[zot1]

I'm leaving this here for your reference:

http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students ... tatistics/

Employment rate was about 85%. BigLaw + Fed Clerkships was 28 ish %. The overall breakdown was pretty much a third of the class went to firms, another third to government, and another third to public interest. I'm personally pleased with this result because I think it shows a good representation of my class (some wanted biglaw, some wanted government, some wanted public interest...). However, I believe in transparency so you can should look at employment stats for all the schools you are considering before making a decision.

These numbers overall look really really good to me. Especially the uptick in clerkships. I think a lot of people expected that # in particular to gradually drop as the school matured but it seems like UCI is going to be go-to school for a clerkship for quite a while. A significant number of school-funded positions, but that seems to be the case at many CA schools and I'm not particularly bothered by that as much as others are.

Is this going to be an up year in general for employment across schools? If I'm not mistaken these numbers are going to give UCI a score of 82-83% on LST which is higher than UCLA's score last year.

The thing about the school fellowships is that we don't have enough information to determine if they are a problem or not. For example, a lot of public interest places want you to work for free before they hire you. For those students, getting a school fellowship is the only way to get there. If you are set on federal government work, getting a school fellowship keeps your eligibility intact for another year. There are, of course, people who may not have gotten the job they wanted, so they end up with a fellowship. To which I would say, better some money than none at all. There are also some people who really want to work at the PD's office but they're not hiring. But with a fellowship, they get to work there and get some money too until the office starts hiring again.

So as you see, there are so many scenarios that it is hard to tell whether these positions are a reason for concern or not.

[LShopeful2016]

I'm leaving this here for your reference:

http://www.law.uci.edu/careers/students ... tatistics/

Employment rate was about 85%. BigLaw + Fed Clerkships was 28 ish %. The overall breakdown was pretty much a third of the class went to firms, another third to government, and another third to public interest. I'm personally pleased with this result because I think it shows a good representation of my class (some wanted biglaw, some wanted government, some wanted public interest...). However, I believe in transparency so you can should look at employment stats for all the schools you are considering before making a decision.

These numbers overall look really really good to me. Especially the uptick in clerkships. I think a lot of people expected that # in particular to gradually drop as the school matured but it seems like UCI is going to be go-to school for a clerkship for quite a while. A significant number of school-funded positions, but that seems to be the case at many CA schools and I'm not particularly bothered by that as much as others are.

Is this going to be an up year in general for employment across schools? If I'm not mistaken these numbers are going to give UCI a score of 82-83% on LST which is higher than UCLA's score last year.

The thing about the school fellowships is that we don't have enough information to determine if they are a problem or not. For example, a lot of public interest places want you to work for free before they hire you. For those students, getting a school fellowship is the only way to get there. If you are set on federal government work, getting a school fellowship keeps your eligibility intact for another year. There are, of course, people who may not have gotten the job they wanted, so they end up with a fellowship. To which I would say, better some money than none at all. There are also some people who really want to work at the PD's office but they're not hiring. But with a fellowship, they get to work there and get some money too until the office starts hiring again.

So as you see, there are so many scenarios that it is hard to tell whether these positions are a reason for concern or not.

We also have to remember that the class size right now is really small. There's no way to tell for sure if these percentages will stay the same as class sizes get bigger. I still have a good feeling it will though.

[zot1]

We also have to remember that the class size right now is really small. There's no way to tell for sure if these percentages will stay the same as class sizes get bigger. I still have a good feeling it will though.

I thought you were going to Pepp?

[LShopeful2016]

We also have to remember that the class size right now is really small. There's no way to tell for sure if these percentages will stay the same as class sizes get bigger. I still have a good feeling it will though.

I thought you were going to Pepp?

WL at UCI.
But following all threads with pretty much all the schools I applied to.

[zot1]

We also have to remember that the class size right now is really small. There's no way to tell for sure if these percentages will stay the same as class sizes get bigger. I still have a good feeling it will though.

I thought you were going to Pepp?

WL at UCI.
But following all threads with pretty much all the schools I applied to.

Ah. I hope you get into UCI then. Better odds than Pepp

[LShopeful2016]

We also have to remember that the class size right now is really small. There's no way to tell for sure if these percentages will stay the same as class sizes get bigger. I still have a good feeling it will though.

I thought you were going to Pepp?

WL at UCI.
But following all threads with pretty much all the schools I applied to.

Ah. I hope you get into UCI then. Better odds than Pepp

Agreed haha thanks.

[middleawkward123]

Has anyone negotiated for scholarship yet?

[ppt5]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/233179193698466/

[toetotoeonbirdlaw]

Is anyone else still waiting for a decision?

[benjaye]

Is anyone else still waiting for a decision?

Me! I'm going to be pretty bummed out if I don't get into my undergrad alma matter lol.

[toetotoeonbirdlaw]

Is anyone else still waiting for a decision?

Me! I'm going to be pretty bummed out if I don't get into my undergrad alma matter lol.

I actually didn't get into my undergrad alma mater & it is a bummer. How long have you been waiting for UCI? I applied late (on Feb.16th).

[benjaye]

Is anyone else still waiting for a decision?

Me! I'm going to be pretty bummed out if I don't get into my undergrad alma matter lol.

I actually didn't get into my undergrad alma mater & it is a bummer. How long have you been waiting for UCI? I applied late (on Feb.16th).

Late January. I'm probably going to take the June LSAT at this point