Loyola Chicago c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014) Forum

[JNE]

One last question though... I got into Loyola with only a $15K scholly & got into Kent with a $60K scholly. What do you believe the wise choice is in this scenario? (Assuming Loyola is not willing to negotiate).

Are there requirements to keep these? I assume those are totals right? so 5K per year for Loyola and 20K per year for CK?
No GPA requirements? I ask because I know CK at one point had good scholarships that required you to be in top 10% of your class to keep it. I have a Loyola scholly with no GPA requirement. (Haven't heard from CK yet)
I would definitely visit and weigh in a LOT of factors other than scholarship.

Yes leigh912198972, those are TOTAL scholarship amounts automatically renewed with absolutely no GPA requirement for Kent and as long as I stay in good academic standing w/ 2.0 at Loyola (but I don't think this counts? does it?). I have briefly visited Loyola already however I definitely plan on thoroughly visiting both schools next month. I'm sure I will get more of a feel for which school I prefer, but let's be honest... $$$ is a MAJOR deciding factor, at least for me.

[BaberhamLincoln]

One last question though... I got into Loyola with only a $15K scholly & got into Kent with a $60K scholly. What do you believe the wise choice is in this scenario? (Assuming Loyola is not willing to negotiate).

Are there requirements to keep these? I assume those are totals right? so 5K per year for Loyola and 20K per year for CK?
No GPA requirements? I ask because I know CK at one point had good scholarships that required you to be in top 10% of your class to keep it. I have a Loyola scholly with no GPA requirement. (Haven't heard from CK yet)
I would definitely visit and weigh in a LOT of factors other than scholarship.

After not feeling "right" at Kent, of course they admitted me and offered a really good scholarship with no stipulations. So I will definitely have to reconsider and possibly visit again?
How are you guys' decisions coming along?

[JNE]

One last question though... I got into Loyola with only a $15K scholly & got into Kent with a $60K scholly. What do you believe the wise choice is in this scenario? (Assuming Loyola is not willing to negotiate).

Are there requirements to keep these? I assume those are totals right? so 5K per year for Loyola and 20K per year for CK?
No GPA requirements? I ask because I know CK at one point had good scholarships that required you to be in top 10% of your class to keep it. I have a Loyola scholly with no GPA requirement. (Haven't heard from CK yet)
I would definitely visit and weigh in a LOT of factors other than scholarship.

After not feeling "right" at Kent, of course they admitted me and offered a really good scholarship with no stipulations. So I will definitely have to reconsider and possibly visit again?
How are you guys' decisions coming along?

YUP! See. That's the situation I'm in! It's a tough one. I'm leaning more towards Kent. Not to be rude, but with only gut feelings and Loyola's undergrad being larger, money becomes a larger issue for me. 60K v. 15K.. Kent wins. When looking at rank: They're higher (~10 spots) higher, Kent wins. Their bar passage rate is 93%, which is just slightly higher than Loyola's. Kent wins.

I'm STILL sitting here scratching my head as to why they have such a bad reputation on here even when compared to a peer school like Loyola! It's silly. Feel free to enlighten me. Is it because their class is usually all commuter (aka non-traditional, aka OLDER students) that turns people off from this school??

leigh, please let me know how your decision-making goes. Just giving you my train of thought for this decision.

[Psy123]

One last question though... I got into Loyola with only a $15K scholly & got into Kent with a $60K scholly. What do you believe the wise choice is in this scenario? (Assuming Loyola is not willing to negotiate).

Are there requirements to keep these? I assume those are totals right? so 5K per year for Loyola and 20K per year for CK?
No GPA requirements? I ask because I know CK at one point had good scholarships that required you to be in top 10% of your class to keep it. I have a Loyola scholly with no GPA requirement. (Haven't heard from CK yet)
I would definitely visit and weigh in a LOT of factors other than scholarship.

After not feeling "right" at Kent, of course they admitted me and offered a really good scholarship with no stipulations. So I will definitely have to reconsider and possibly visit again?
How are you guys' decisions coming along?

YUP! See. That's the situation I'm in! It's a tough one. I'm leaning more towards Kent. Not to be rude, but with only gut feelings and Loyola's undergrad being larger, money becomes a larger issue for me. 60K v. 15K.. Kent wins. When looking at rank: They're higher (~10 spots) higher, Kent wins. Their bar passage rate is 93%, which is just slightly higher than Loyola's. Kent wins.

I'm STILL sitting here scratching my head as to why they have such a bad reputation on here even when compared to a peer school like Loyola! It's silly. Feel free to enlighten me. Is it because their class is usually all commuter (aka non-traditional, aka OLDER students) that turns people off from this school??

leigh, please let me know how your decision-making goes. Just giving you my train of thought for this decision.

I don't think Kent has a worse reputation than Loyola on this site, id say most would place them as about equal. Name recognition could make Loyola more talked about, but i don't think you'll find anyone say Loyola is a better choice. In fact based on what I've seen id say the opposite. Often people say Loyola/Kent/Depaul are all at the same level, although depaul seems to have dropped to be more with John Marshall. Because of the fact that these schools don't have the best employment prospects and are basically the same, Scholarship really should be the deciding factor when choosing between the two. Both places will basically get you the same opportunities for jobs once you graduate, so its really down to how much debt you want to have once you get out.

[chewy13]

in with $96,000 scholly if only COA wasn't so high

[magjag]

in with $96,000 scholly if only COA wasn't so high

very nice... congratulations! that would be a full ride yeah? not heard from 'em yet. hopefully soon.

[Ditka747]

[/quote] I don't think Kent has a worse reputation than Loyola on this site, id say most would place them as about equal. Name recognition could make Loyola more talked about, but i don't think you'll find anyone say Loyola is a better choice. In fact based on what I've seen id say the opposite. Often people say Loyola/Kent/Depaul are all at the same level, although depaul seems to have dropped to be more with John Marshall. Because of the fact that these schools don't have the best employment prospects and are basically the same, Scholarship really should be the deciding factor when choosing between the two. Both places will basically get you the same opportunities for jobs once you graduate, so its really down to how much debt you want to have once you get out.[/quote]

Be easy on DePaul, they actually have the most amount of lawyers working in Chicago. I'm assuming the vast majority of them aren't Biglaw, but at least they have jobs.

Is anyone going to go to the Loyola Merit Scholarship dinner? The fancy invitation makes it a bit more enticing.

[BaberhamLincoln]

in with $96,000 scholly if only COA wasn't so high

That's a sweet scholarship!
Not a full ride, but still a good chunk!

I think I will be attending the dinner...just depends on if I have to travel for work...

[Psy123]

I don't think Kent has a worse reputation than Loyola on this site, id say most would place them as about equal. Name recognition could make Loyola more talked about, but i don't think you'll find anyone say Loyola is a better choice. In fact based on what I've seen id say the opposite. Often people say Loyola/Kent/Depaul are all at the same level, although depaul seems to have dropped to be more with John Marshall. Because of the fact that these schools don't have the best employment prospects and are basically the same, Scholarship really should be the deciding factor when choosing between the two. Both places will basically get you the same opportunities for jobs once you graduate, so its really down to how much debt you want to have once you get out.

Be easy on DePaul, they actually have the most amount of lawyers working in Chicago. I'm assuming the vast majority of them aren't Biglaw, but at least they have jobs.

Is anyone going to go to the Loyola Merit Scholarship dinner? The fancy invitation makes it a bit more enticing.

Im just basing it on recent job numbers on LST, there is a reason they dropped out of the top 100

[BaberhamLincoln]

So, I am getting really excited about Loyola. I have toured once and read just about everything they've sent me and the entire website.

One thing I am really annoyed/tired of (let me get up on my soap box here) is how many people there are on this site that think you need to attend a T14 school or ELSE. (ELSE meaning you will probably graduate with no job, tons of loans, end up homeless and diseased, and die.) They act like it's the end of the world to attend a school like Loyola since the name doesn't hold the same recognition as Harvard.

I'm not a professional lawyer so I can't speak for the law world, but I find this extremely narrow-minded and I am sooo tired of it. Your school is just one part (I know, a big part) of what makes you a good/bad lawyer in three years. It's definitely a big, big percentage of that, yes -- but so are your people skills, your passion, how hard you work at meeting new people/making good connections, what field of law you're interested in, where you want to work, how you sell yourself, and the list goes on...

Anyway. I wanted to stand up for what is most likely my future school, Loyola. It's a wonderful place and very welcoming. I appreciate how much they make me feel like they value me. That is more than I can say for many schools with higher rankings.

DONE ranting.

[JNE]

So, I am getting really excited about Loyola. I have toured once and read just about everything they've sent me and the entire website.

One thing I am really annoyed/tired of (let me get up on my soap box here) is how many people there are on this site that think you need to attend a T14 school or ELSE. (ELSE meaning you will probably graduate with no job, tons of loans, end up homeless and diseased, and die.) They act like it's the end of the world to attend a school like Loyola since the name doesn't hold the same recognition as Harvard.

I'm not a professional lawyer so I can't speak for the law world, but I find this extremely narrow-minded and I am sooo tired of it. Your school is just one part (I know, a big part) of what makes you a good/bad lawyer in three years. It's definitely a big, big percentage of that, yes -- but so are your people skills, your passion, how hard you work at meeting new people/making good connections, what field of law you're interested in, where you want to work, how you sell yourself, and the list goes on...

Anyway. I wanted to stand up for what is most likely my future school, Loyola. It's a wonderful place and very welcoming. I appreciate how much they make me feel like they value me. That is more than I can say for many schools with higher rankings.

DONE ranting.

Amen. If there was a clapping emoji on here... I would be using it.

[WheninLaw]

So, I am getting really excited about Loyola. I have toured once and read just about everything they've sent me and the entire website.

One thing I am really annoyed/tired of (let me get up on my soap box here) is how many people there are on this site that think you need to attend a T14 school or ELSE. (ELSE meaning you will probably graduate with no job, tons of loans, end up homeless and diseased, and die.) They act like it's the end of the world to attend a school like Loyola since the name doesn't hold the same recognition as Harvard.

I'm not a professional lawyer so I can't speak for the law world, but I find this extremely narrow-minded and I am sooo tired of it. Your school is just one part (I know, a big part) of what makes you a good/bad lawyer in three years. It's definitely a big, big percentage of that, yes -- but so are your people skills, your passion, how hard you work at meeting new people/making good connections, what field of law you're interested in, where you want to work, how you sell yourself, and the list goes on...

Anyway. I wanted to stand up for what is most likely my future school, Loyola. It's a wonderful place and very welcoming. I appreciate how much they make me feel like they value me. That is more than I can say for many schools with higher rankings.

DONE ranting.

I was browsing this thread because my cousin is thinking of attending Loyola. Normally I would not say anything, but you are grossly misquoting 'TLS Wisdom.' Nobody ever said that you have to go to Harvard in order to be a good lawyer. That would be insane. I think the quality of lawyers that come out of Loyola is near any t-14 school. The concern is regarding the chance to be a lawyer at all coming out of Loyola.

[Psy123]

So, I am getting really excited about Loyola. I have toured once and read just about everything they've sent me and the entire website.

One thing I am really annoyed/tired of (let me get up on my soap box here) is how many people there are on this site that think you need to attend a T14 school or ELSE. (ELSE meaning you will probably graduate with no job, tons of loans, end up homeless and diseased, and die.) They act like it's the end of the world to attend a school like Loyola since the name doesn't hold the same recognition as Harvard.

I'm not a professional lawyer so I can't speak for the law world, but I find this extremely narrow-minded and I am sooo tired of it. Your school is just one part (I know, a big part) of what makes you a good/bad lawyer in three years. It's definitely a big, big percentage of that, yes -- but so are your people skills, your passion, how hard you work at meeting new people/making good connections, what field of law you're interested in, where you want to work, how you sell yourself, and the list goes on...

Anyway. I wanted to stand up for what is most likely my future school, Loyola. It's a wonderful place and very welcoming. I appreciate how much they make me feel like they value me. That is more than I can say for many schools with higher rankings.

DONE ranting.

Most wont tell you T14 or bust, everyone talks about schools based on the job outcomes these schools are producing at graduation as seen on LST. These numbers tell you what is actually happening to students at these schools. Of course where you go isn't 100% of what kind of career you will have, but the numbers don't lie. Btw, I wont be attending a T14 either...

Don't blind yourself to the truth, its important to know the full situation when attending law school, and that is all that the people on here want to help with.

[BaberhamLincoln]

To the two posters above:

I am not trying to blind myself, and I am certainly not quoting anyone. All I am saying is that I have seen a certain attitude. Though that attitude MAY just be based off the employment numbers on LST, it doesn't feel that way. I have gotten PM's completely unsolicited about this that have made me feel very inferior just because I am strongly considering Loyola.

I know that people mean well. I am not trying to call anyone out or be a bitch.
Simply just ranting about how I do feel there is a superiority complex in some people based on school rankings. NOT EVERYONE is like that. A lot of people on this site rock. And that's why I come on everyday! Most people are just freaking great.

But some people really do make it seem like if you're not in a T14 school, you're doomed. I am simply saying that that attitude is not constructive, it's insulting.

[D2142]

To the two posters above:

I am not trying to blind myself, and I am certainly not quoting anyone. All I am saying is that I have seen a certain attitude. Though that attitude MAY just be based off the employment numbers on LST, it doesn't feel that way. I have gotten PM's completely unsolicited about this that have made me feel very inferior just because I am strongly considering Loyola.

I know that people mean well. I am not trying to call anyone out or be a bitch.
Simply just ranting about how I do feel there is a superiority complex in some people based on school rankings. NOT EVERYONE is like that. A lot of people on this site rock. And that's why I come on everyday! Most people are just freaking great.

But some people really do make it seem like if you're not in a T14 school, you're doomed. I am simply saying that that attitude is not constructive, it's insulting.

We get it, you have been blowing up this thread trying to make your point.

Look at the threads in this section of the forums ("Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists"). When you look at the schools that have the most posts and most activity it becomes apparent what types of individuals (defined by their LSAT and GPA) your going to find on this website. Obviously with a large community of people who can get into the T14 you are going to find some that look down on schools like Loyola, DePaul, and Kent.

Save yourself the energy and just ignore it. Some people come onto the internet to argue or push a point without ever having to be accountable for what they say. I would be happy going to DePaul, Loyola, Kent, or U of I and I accept that. We shouldn't kid ourselves though, at those schools we have a tough 3 years ahead of us, just look at the employment stats. If you think you can do it then go for it, but if you think the risks outweigh the potential rewards then don't go.

[BaberhamLincoln]

D2142, I commend you. That was well put.

Ranting done. Go Loyola.
Anyone else have scholarship or application updates?

[mcatt]

My decision came in today. Waitlisted :/ I'll stay on but that tuition is pretty expensive. We shall see.

[D2142]

D2142, I commend you. That was well put.

Ranting done. Go Loyola.
Anyone else have scholarship or application updates?

Sorry if that came off as harsh. In any event congrats on your acceptances and good luck with the rest of the cycle.

[BaberhamLincoln]

Anyone apply for scholarships that were due this past Saturday?
I applied for a fellowship and the Kenneth Adreani Scholarship.

[tjsmms061906]

Freeing up a slot with my withdrawal. Good luck.

[rpollock11]

In with 27k scholarship per year

[BankruptMe]

Just applied. they have a 50%+ employment rate. So it was worth the 25 dollars.

[BaberhamLincoln]

Just RSVP'ed to the Scholarship Dinner on the 20th. Anyone else going?

[kjm4815]

I'm going! I know my dad wanted to go but is it just for admitted students?

[Psy123]

withdrew today so a spot and some scholarship money should be opening up for someone soon!