Stanford Waitlist 2010!!! Forum

[lawgod]

count me in.

[Hey-O]

Anyone know when SLS usually moves its waitlist?

[Hey-O]

So, I looked at lsn and I'm trying to decide how SLS uses its waitlist. Some people were placed on the wait list before they had finished making acceptances. Hmmm...is this good or bad? It could be good because they were the first ones on the waitlist. But if they wanted them so much then why give them a spot. Also two people with 180s were WL! I guess they must have thought they'd go to H or Y.

[dutchstriker]

So, I looked at lsn and I'm trying to decide how SLS uses its waitlist. Some people were placed on the wait list before they had finished making acceptances. Hmmm...is this good or bad? It could be good because they were the first ones on the waitlist. But if they wanted them so much then why give them a spot. Also two people with 180s were WL! I guess they must have thought they'd go to H or Y.

Or I just wasn't awesome enough.

I was waitlisted prior to acceptances being finalized because I requested an expedited decision.

[Hey-O]

So, I looked at lsn and I'm trying to decide how SLS uses its waitlist. Some people were placed on the wait list before they had finished making acceptances. Hmmm...is this good or bad? It could be good because they were the first ones on the waitlist. But if they wanted them so much then why give them a spot. Also two people with 180s were WL! I guess they must have thought they'd go to H or Y.

Or I just wasn't awesome enough.

I was waitlisted prior to acceptances being finalized because I requested an expedited decision.

Well congrats on the 180! Wow! Were you accepted to H or Y?

[adameus]

So, I looked at lsn and I'm trying to decide how SLS uses its waitlist. Some people were placed on the wait list before they had finished making acceptances. Hmmm...is this good or bad? It could be good because they were the first ones on the waitlist. But if they wanted them so much then why give them a spot. Also two people with 180s were WL! I guess they must have thought they'd go to H or Y.

Or I just wasn't awesome enough.

I was waitlisted prior to acceptances being finalized because I requested an expedited decision.

Well congrats on the 180! Wow! Were you accepted to H or Y?

he was accepted to and will be attending H according to his LSN profile

[Hey-O]

So, I looked at lsn and I'm trying to decide how SLS uses its waitlist. Some people were placed on the wait list before they had finished making acceptances. Hmmm...is this good or bad? It could be good because they were the first ones on the waitlist. But if they wanted them so much then why give them a spot. Also two people with 180s were WL! I guess they must have thought they'd go to H or Y.

Or I just wasn't awesome enough.

I was waitlisted prior to acceptances being finalized because I requested an expedited decision.

Well congrats on the 180! Wow! Were you accepted to H or Y?

he was accepted to and will be attending H according to his LSN profile

Thanks!

[bloodonthetracks]

also riding this waitlist out (along with harvard's). probably depositing at cls soon.

[Hey-O]

I finally got my wait list letter today. In a spirit of boundless optimism, I'm excited for May 3rd.

[Core]

I finally got my wait list letter today. In a spirit of boundless optimism, I'm excited for May 3rd.

I totally forgot what my letter even said - May 3rd the date they begin reviewing WLs?

[hermione0901]

I finally got my wait list letter today. In a spirit of boundless optimism, I'm excited for May 3rd.

I totally forgot what my letter even said - May 3rd the date they begin reviewing WLs?

Well, the last couple of years, they haven't really moved until late July.

[Hey-O]

I finally got my wait list letter today. In a spirit of boundless optimism, I'm excited for May 3rd.

I totally forgot what my letter even said - May 3rd the date they begin reviewing WLs?

It is the deposit deadline. This means that people on LSN and this forum will be posting withdrawals and I can use this information to make baseless assumption about how many open spots are available for people on the wait list. Then I will obsessively check my phone for that phone call that will probably never come. Good times!

[adameus]

so has anyone sent in a LOCI from the WL yet or is it a bit early?

[doinmybest]

Anyone think taking the LSAT a 4th time to get off a WL for a school soooo obsessed with GPA is a waste?? I'm torn...

[calidreamin]

I'm thinking about retaking. Does anyone think this will help? Problem with a retake in June is that the score doesn't get to the school until late June. By then, any or all waitlists spots could be offered away.

[doinmybest]

I'm thinking about retaking. Does anyone think this will help? Problem with a retake in June is that the score doesn't get to the school until late June. By then, any or all waitlists spots could be offered away.

I definitely wouldn't say ALL the spots would be gone, I imagine the majority of people getting off the WL will get off in July or August. However, I don't know when they would start reviewing applicants to take off the WL. If they begin review in early to mid June then retaking the LSAT would be foolish. I was also thinking that since Stanford cares more about GPA, I wonder if going up a few points on the LSAT would even a make a difference. Apparently, the dean said, "To those of you who got in with LSAT scores of 178, 179, or 180, I want you to know that you go in even though you had such high scores."

[swampthang]

I'm thinking about retaking. Does anyone think this will help? Problem with a retake in June is that the score doesn't get to the school until late June. By then, any or all waitlists spots could be offered away.

I definitely wouldn't say ALL the spots would be gone, I imagine the majority of people getting off the WL will get off in July or August. However, I don't know when they would start reviewing applicants to take off the WL. If they begin review in early to mid June then retaking the LSAT would be foolish. I was also thinking that since Stanford cares more about GPA, I wonder if going up a few points on the LSAT would even a make a difference. Apparently, the dean said, "To those of you who got in with LSAT scores of 178, 179, or 180, I want you to know that you go in even though you had such high scores."

Asha writes: "Given that waitlist files aren't sent to the faculty for another round of reviews, retaking the LSAT really wouldn't help your chances." SLS isn't YLS, but I really can't see a whole lot of benefit to retaking in June for this cycle. If you want SLS so badly and don't mind a retake, why not retry next year?

[doinmybest]

I'm thinking about retaking. Does anyone think this will help? Problem with a retake in June is that the score doesn't get to the school until late June. By then, any or all waitlists spots could be offered away.

I definitely wouldn't say ALL the spots would be gone, I imagine the majority of people getting off the WL will get off in July or August. However, I don't know when they would start reviewing applicants to take off the WL. If they begin review in early to mid June then retaking the LSAT would be foolish. I was also thinking that since Stanford cares more about GPA, I wonder if going up a few points on the LSAT would even a make a difference. Apparently, the dean said, "To those of you who got in with LSAT scores of 178, 179, or 180, I want you to know that you go in even though you had such high scores."

Asha writes: "Given that waitlist files aren't sent to the faculty for another round of reviews, retaking the LSAT really wouldn't help your chances." SLS isn't YLS, but I really can't see a whole lot of benefit to retaking in June for this cycle. If you want SLS so badly and don't mind a retake, why not retry next year?

So do you think that SLS WL files are not reviewed by committee members? Who reviews them... just the dean? And maybe the asst. dean? I wonder if we will even get a full review, maybe we will just be chosen when someone with similar #s and softs withdraws.

[swampthang]

So do you think that SLS WL files are not reviewed by committee members? Who reviews them... just the dean? And maybe the asst. dean? I wonder if we will even get a full review, maybe we will just be chosen when someone with similar #s and softs withdraws.

That is the "building a class" argument I hear so often.

[doinmybest]

So do you think that SLS WL files are not reviewed by committee members? Who reviews them... just the dean? And maybe the asst. dean? I wonder if we will even get a full review, maybe we will just be chosen when someone with similar #s and softs withdraws.

That is the "building a class" argument I hear so often.

Yeah, I wonder if thats how they actually do things... If so, then retaking the LSAT might be a total waste.

[Hey-O]

So do you think that SLS WL files are not reviewed by committee members? Who reviews them... just the dean? And maybe the asst. dean? I wonder if we will even get a full review, maybe we will just be chosen when someone with similar #s and softs withdraws.

That is the "building a class" argument I hear so often.

Yeah, I wonder if thats how they actually do things... If so, then retaking the LSAT might be a total waste.

Well, if they are reviewed by the dean and the problem the dean had thawith your file was that she needed stronger numbers or that she didn't think you had the intellectual chops or a strong enough desire to attend law school then re-taking the LSAT could help.

Even if it doesn't help that much getting a higher score can't hurt.

Also, what did you mean by this, "Apparently, the dean said, "To those of you who got in with LSAT scores of 178, 179, or 180, I want you to know that you go in even though you had such high scores."?

[Kretzy]

Also, what did you mean by this, "Apparently, the dean said, "To those of you who got in with LSAT scores of 178, 179, or 180, I want you to know that you go in even though you had such high scores."?

I was there both times Dean Kramer said this at ASW. What he meant was that high LSAT scores weren't as heavy an advantage at SLS that they are at other schools (a comparison he didn't make explicit, but was definitely implied). He said that a person's high LSAT worked in conjunction with their academic performance and "softs" to get them in, once you get above a certain point, a higher LSAT is nice, but not determinative of admission (or even, really, a "helping factor" in getting admitted).

This was right before Dean Kramer said he went to Dean Deal and the faculty to see if they wanted to raise their LSAT median and jump in the rankings (since it's one of only 2 areas where it really 'trails' HLS). They almost uniformly said no, and wanted to keep the type of student that SLS admits and chooses to attend there.

Really, it seems SLS' 'cutoff' is around a 168. After that, the LSAT score begins to matter less and less (albeit for applicants with above a 3.9 or so, often from very good UG programs).

Hope that helps a little...anyone also at ASW who thinks I'm not quite explaining this right feel free to chime in!

[CardinalRules]

Also, what did you mean by this, "Apparently, the dean said, "To those of you who got in with LSAT scores of 178, 179, or 180, I want you to know that you go in even though you had such high scores."?

This was right before Dean Kramer said he went to Dean Deal and the faculty to see if they wanted to raise their LSAT median and jump in the rankings (since it's one of only 2 areas where it really 'trails' HLS).

What's the other area?

[swampthang]

So I’m really debating whether to stay on the WL. I have $ (about $10k/yr) at Chicago, with interests spanning clerkships, international/comparative, environmental, and some sort of corporate/economic/financial segment of the law. From browsing Leiter, the schools seem to be relatively equal as far as SCOTUS clerks, elite firm hiring, faculty quality. In fact, if anything, Chicago seems to have an edge. I am something of a prestige whore, and I do like how Stanford actually has big time sports, but those are relatively minor factors. When I think about living in the Bay, I just feel “meh”. Hyde Park doesn’t get me jumping up and down, but I like Chicago and it’s a lot closer to family and friends than Palo Alto.

As someone who believes strongly in doing ‘the right thing’, my question would be whether I should remain on the Stanford WL. The financial side of me shouts that it’s a free option, and at worst I could use an SLS acceptance to get more from Chicago. But I really don’t think I would go, and don’t want to take up a spot when there are so many people who would. Competition and self-interest aside, what makes Stanford so much better than Chicago? Am I crazy for thinking this way?

[Hey-O]

So I’m really debating whether to stay on the WL. I have $ (about $10k/yr) at Chicago, with interests spanning clerkships, international/comparative, environmental, and some sort of corporate/economic/financial segment of the law. From browsing Leiter, the schools seem to be relatively equal as far as SCOTUS clerks, elite firm hiring, faculty quality. In fact, if anything, Chicago seems to have an edge. I am something of a prestige whore, and I do like how Stanford actually has big time sports, but those are relatively minor factors. When I think about living in the Bay, I just feel “meh”. Hyde Park doesn’t get me jumping up and down, but I like Chicago and it’s a lot closer to family and friends than Palo Alto.

As someone who believes strongly in doing ‘the right thing’, my question would be whether I should remain on the Stanford WL. The financial side of me shouts that it’s a free option, and at worst I could use an SLS acceptance to get more from Chicago. But I really don’t think I would go, and don’t want to take up a spot when there are so many people who would. Competition and self-interest aside, what makes Stanford so much better than Chicago? Am I crazy for thinking this way?

If it were me and I didn't want to go then I would withdraw because it would be more decision you don't have to make. Then your cycle is over and you can focus on enrolling at Chicago, but on the other hand if you don't want to limit your options then no harm staying on the list.