WUSTL 2011 Cycle Forum

[flexityflex86]

Aw shucks still IR as of 3/15. Really wish I could've gone to ASD, but I was at BU anyway. Sounds awesome. All I've seen of STL is the airport (which is kind of meh). Not important, but first impressions you know!

when evaluating what city you are going to spend your life in, the airport is the only thing that matters. not even the entire airport, actually. really only the baggage claim area. public schools and communities mean little when you spend all that time waiting for your luggage.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Aw shucks still IR as of 3/15. Really wish I could've gone to ASD, but I was at BU anyway. Sounds awesome. All I've seen of STL is the airport (which is kind of meh). Not important, but first impressions you know!

when evaluating what city you are going to spend your life in, the airport is the only thing that matters. not even the entire airport, actually. really only the baggage claim area. public schools and communities mean little when you spend all that time waiting for your luggage.

Yeah, except I think Detroit has a pretty great airport but...you know. And I know it's an overplayed stereotype, but LAX has been so fucking miserable that I've flown into Long Beach last couple times I went to California

[romothesavior]

How does Saint Louis compare to the rest of the midwest? Is it a bit warmer, because its relatively south?

St. Louis tends to be warmer than Chicago, and it can be very hot in the summer. That said, it gets all four seasons. Last weekend it was 75-80. Today we got 4-5 inches of snow. St. Louis, like most Midwestern cities, can be really weird about the weather. As far as safety goes, there was a pretty extensive conversation in the March ASW thread if you wanna check that out.

and is IU: B a peer school?

I think WUSTL is a step above in geographic power and quality of life, if not peers in amount of big/midlaw hiring.

IUB is a peer school if you use the term very loosely. WUSTL is often ragged on for being "overrated" because our NLJ numbers lag our USNRWR ranking by a few spots. IUB, however, lags their ranking by a huge amount. Even pre-ITE, IUB was only placing ~10% of their class into NLJ firms. By comparison, WUSTL was at about 27% NLJ placement pre-ITE (and these numbers don't include people who got non-NLJ firms that pay 6 figures, or people who took clerkships and landed NLJ jobs afterwards). WUSTL also dominates IUB in Chicago, so keep that in mind.

IUB is a fine school, but its placement is much more confined to their own state than WUSTL, UIUC, UMN, or even Iowa. I'm not sure how our admissions office views IUB, but if they don't view them as a peer, then this is why. WUSTL and IUB may be peers as far as tiers are concerned, but within the MW, I think they are a clear step down from the other Midwestern T20s.

[JCougar]

IU-B isn't a peer school by any means. It's a T2 school in terms of Biglaw placement....and T2 might as well be T3 when it comes to Biglaw. The only way I'd go to IU-B is if I wanted a career in Indiana...or if I got a full scholarship and had no desire at all to practice Biglaw.

Most people at IU-B that get good enough grades for Biglaw end up transferring out because their OCI is horrible. In 2009, they only attracted 6 Chicago biglaw firms, and one from New York. Indiana's OCI is almost totally Kentucky firms, Ohio firms, or home state firms.

In a class of a couple hundred people, you do the math...you probably have to be in the top 5% to get Chicago interviews. And you won't be in the top 5%.

[Hannibal]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

[fatduck]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

I think that's because it's a metro.

[Hannibal]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

I think that's because it's a metro.

The Bay Area equivalent system (BART) is pretty much never sketch. That might be because it's prohibitively expensive though.

[JenDarby]

Well, refundable seat deposit, I may or may not see you again...

[columbia86]

Last year, when were the first round of rejections/wait lists released?

[Magnolia]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

On my way to the hotel I shared a metro car with a woman who only had 6 teeth and another woman loudly discussing on her cell phone how she just got out of jail in Hartford and had to start her jailtime in St. Louis the next day, but she was down to party that night. It was a magical ride.

[kjadkins]

Withdrew today. Best of luck to everyone still waiting!

[waketiger]

So if I still haven't heard anything is it safe to assume I'm a waitlist/deny at this point?

[bk1]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

I think that's because it's a metro.

The Bay Area equivalent system (BART) is pretty much never sketch. That might be because it's prohibitively expensive though.

I think it has to do with the layout of the Bay Area and BART as opposed to other metropolitan areas.

BART doesn't really move you around within cities, it gets you between cities so it is kind of a false comparison to compare BART to the Metrolink in terms of sketchiness. The people on BART are less likely to be poor because the poor aren't usually going between cities. That being said, BART can get sketchier late at night when you see more homeless/drug addicts on there. But the main crux of BART being different from the Metrolink is that it just doesn't go through any really sketchy neighborhoods (EPA, parts of Oakland, Tenderloin, etc). If you rode the bus through those neighborhoods, I'd expect you'd feel the same way as you do about the Metrolink.

The other thing is that the Bay Area is very subdivided with SF and Oakland being distinct. Most of the extremely poor and sketchy areas tend to be in Oakland with a bit in SF (though as noted before, they are all far away from BART stops), so if you are on BART and going to the areas around it you probably won't even notice the sketch areas.

[tinlawman]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

I think that's because it's a metro.

The Bay Area equivalent system (BART) is pretty much never sketch. That might be because it's prohibitively expensive though.

I think it has to do with the layout of the Bay Area and BART as opposed to other metropolitan areas.

BART doesn't really move you around within cities, it gets you between cities so it is kind of a false comparison to compare BART to the Metrolink in terms of sketchiness. The people on BART are less likely to be poor because the poor aren't usually going between cities. That being said, BART can get sketchier late at night when you see more homeless/drug addicts on there. But the main crux of BART being different from the Metrolink is that it just doesn't go through any really sketchy neighborhoods (EPA, parts of Oakland, Tenderloin, etc). If you rode the bus through those neighborhoods, I'd expect you'd feel the same way as you do about the Metrolink.

The other thing is that the Bay Area is very subdivided with SF and Oakland being distinct. Most of the extremely poor and sketchy areas tend to be in Oakland with a bit in SF (though as noted before, they are all far away from BART stops), so if you are on BART and going to the areas around it you probably won't even notice the sketch areas.

To add to that, I'm not sure about SF, but for example, Manhattan isn't spread out. It's really easy to get from one place to another on the Subway. Pretty much anywhere you want to go, you can take the subway/train system. So, you're going to see wealthier people on the subway in NY compared to a city like LA where everything is so spread out. There aren't a lot of professionals that take buses in LA, but there are guys make 500K/year taking the subway in NY. It's about convenience to where you want to go. Washington DC is kind of the same (within the Government area).

[ArthurDigbySellers]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

I think that's because it's a metro.

The Bay Area equivalent system (BART) is pretty much never sketch. That might be because it's prohibitively expensive though.

I dunno man. I'm not from the Bay but Berkeley and Oakland seemed a little sketch when I was there.

[bk1]

So uhh both times I rode the metro it was pretty sketch. Is that because I was riding through the North city or is that just how it is?

I think that's because it's a metro.

The Bay Area equivalent system (BART) is pretty much never sketch. That might be because it's prohibitively expensive though.

I dunno man. I'm not from the Bay but Berkeley and Oakland seemed a little sketch when I was there.

You guys are pansies.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

LA's only marginally bigger in terms of square mileage. Manhattan is easy to get about, but the rest of the "city" isn't quite as easy/fast. The subway is also an effing labyrinth. LA has a serviceable metro, though not nearly as comprehensive as New York's. If you live/work in Manhattan you're golden, of course.

[Magnolia]

LA's only marginally bigger in terms of square mileage. Manhattan is easy to get about, but the rest of the "city" isn't quite as easy/fast. The subway is also an effing labyrinth. LA has a serviceable metro, though not nearly as comprehensive as New York's. If you live/work in Manhattan you're golden, of course.

The ease of navigating NYC depends entirely on where you live/work in relation to the subway lines. I live in Queens and work in Manhattan, but my commute is much easier than if I lived on 1st ave and worked on 12th ave in Manhattan. And yes, the NYC subway system is complicated, but the maps have street names and other landmarks to make them easier to read, as opposed to the metro maps of DC and St. Louis, for example, where it just shows you the general direction of each line and the stops with no points of reference. It might be fine if you live there, but as a tourist I've found both cities much harder to navigate.

[Hannibal]

LA's only marginally bigger in terms of square mileage. Manhattan is easy to get about, but the rest of the "city" isn't quite as easy/fast. The subway is also an effing labyrinth. LA has a serviceable metro, though not nearly as comprehensive as New York's. If you live/work in Manhattan you're golden, of course.

The ease of navigating NYC depends entirely on where you live/work in relation to the subway lines. I live in Queens and work in Manhattan, but my commute is much easier than if I lived on 1st ave and worked on 12th ave in Manhattan. And yes, the NYC subway system is complicated, but the maps have street names and other landmarks to make them easier to read, as opposed to the metro maps of DC and St. Louis, for example, where it just shows you the general direction of each line and the stops with no points of reference. It might be fine if you live there, but as a tourist I've found both cities much harder to navigate.

At the airport they had a map of the metro that included landmarks near metro stops (it's how I found the Moonrise).

[jpSartre]

So if I still haven't heard anything is it safe to assume I'm a waitlist/deny at this point?

[snapdragon]

So if I still haven't heard anything is it safe to assume I'm a waitlist/deny at this point?

No one can know for sure, but that's sort of what I am assuming. Apparently they hoped to have decisions out by the end of March, so keep your eyes open! Doubtless, many of us still waiting will have to deposit elsewhere.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

LA's only marginally bigger in terms of square mileage. Manhattan is easy to get about, but the rest of the "city" isn't quite as easy/fast. The subway is also an effing labyrinth. LA has a serviceable metro, though not nearly as comprehensive as New York's. If you live/work in Manhattan you're golden, of course.

The ease of navigating NYC depends entirely on where you live/work in relation to the subway lines. I live in Queens and work in Manhattan, but my commute is much easier than if I lived on 1st ave and worked on 12th ave in Manhattan. And yes, the NYC subway system is complicated, but the maps have street names and other landmarks to make them easier to read, as opposed to the metro maps of DC and St. Louis, for example, where it just shows you the general direction of each line and the stops with no points of reference. It might be fine if you live there, but as a tourist I've found both cities much harder to navigate.

Yeah-I've managed to get my bearings pretty well in New York, but before that I got lost all the time. I was so used to DC and Boston's super straightforward subway systems

[Flips88]

LA's only marginally bigger in terms of square mileage. Manhattan is easy to get about, but the rest of the "city" isn't quite as easy/fast. The subway is also an effing labyrinth. LA has a serviceable metro, though not nearly as comprehensive as New York's. If you live/work in Manhattan you're golden, of course.

The ease of navigating NYC depends entirely on where you live/work in relation to the subway lines. I live in Queens and work in Manhattan, but my commute is much easier than if I lived on 1st ave and worked on 12th ave in Manhattan. And yes, the NYC subway system is complicated, but the maps have street names and other landmarks to make them easier to read, as opposed to the metro maps of DC and St. Louis, for example, where it just shows you the general direction of each line and the stops with no points of reference. It might be fine if you live there, but as a tourist I've found both cities much harder to navigate.

Yeah-I've managed to get my bearings pretty well in New York, but before that I got lost all the time. I was so used to DC and Boston's super straightforward subway systems

IME, DC metro>Chicago El>NYC Subway

[ScrabbleChamp]

More speculation: Has anyone "in review" noticed the bottom right box for Requirements is completely empty? I'm pretty sure mine used to have something in there, but not, nothing.

[columbia86]

Last year, when were the first round of rejections/wait lists released?

Bump.