Yale c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[guppiesbaby]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

[notsonotorious]

Some baseless speculation:

Yale knows exactly when scholarship deadlines at certain other schools occur because they get emails from people frantic to get answers before the deadline. They could easily treat the pool of remaining applicants as an effective waitlist and decide after for instance Chicago's scholarship deadline tomorrow how many additional acceptances to make once they see how many of their current admits defect for full rides elsewhere.

On our end we might see a handful of acceptances after a major scholarship deadline (or none if only a few people chose the money,) then the rest of us could be divvied up among waitlists and rejections.

I'm starting to think that faculty review is likely complete or nearly complete, so the dynamics of Yale's decision timing would from now on be driven largely by other schools' scholarship and commitment dates.

This theory doesn't make sense and here's why: Asha has been vehement about the fact that people should feel free to accept whatever spots and scholarships they have deadlines for. Per LSAC rules, schools can't require you to withdraw applications you haven't heard back on when you're making a deposit. She is comfortable with the fact that a bunch of people who get into Yale will be giving up scholarships elsewhere to go there, and ultimately doesn't care what those other schools think about it. So if you're rational and know about these things, accepting a full scholarship at Columbia won't make anyone withdraw their Yale application (unless, of course, they decide that they don't want to pay sticker at Yale, which is always possible, but like why give up the free option to find out if you got into Yale so you can brag about it for the rest of your life?). But that has nothing to do with the deadline and more to do with people's preferences.

edit: If you're talking about people already accepted at Yale then yes, I guess that makes sense

[bbp1993]

Some baseless speculation:

Yale knows exactly when scholarship deadlines at certain other schools occur because they get emails from people frantic to get answers before the deadline. They could easily treat the pool of remaining applicants as an effective waitlist and decide after for instance Chicago's scholarship deadline tomorrow how many additional acceptances to make once they see how many of their current admits defect for full rides elsewhere.

On our end we might see a handful of acceptances after a major scholarship deadline (or none if only a few people chose the money,) then the rest of us could be divvied up among waitlists and rejections.

I'm starting to think that faculty review is likely complete or nearly complete, so the dynamics of Yale's decision timing would from now on be driven largely by other schools' scholarship and commitment dates.

This theory doesn't make sense and here's why: Asha has been vehement about the fact that people should feel free to accept whatever spots and scholarships they have deadlines for. Per LSAC rules, schools can't require you to withdraw applications you haven't heard back on when you're making a deposit. She is comfortable with the fact that a bunch of people who get into Yale will be giving up scholarships elsewhere to go there, and ultimately doesn't care what those other schools think about it. So if you're rational and know about these things, accepting a full scholarship at Columbia won't make anyone withdraw their Yale application (unless, of course, they decide that they don't want to pay sticker at Yale, which is always possible, but like why give up the free option to find out if you got into Yale so you can brag about it for the rest of your life?). But that has nothing to do with the deadline and more to do with people's preferences.

No - it does make sense. Again, Asha is referring to a situation in which you have not yet heard back from Yale. If someone has already been admitted once they make a decision to accept a scholarship somewhere else they have to decline ACCEPTANCES at other institutions.

Edit: Which would open up spaces for more admits at Yale.

[AndromedaGalaxy]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

[notsonotorious]

Some baseless speculation:

Yale knows exactly when scholarship deadlines at certain other schools occur because they get emails from people frantic to get answers before the deadline. They could easily treat the pool of remaining applicants as an effective waitlist and decide after for instance Chicago's scholarship deadline tomorrow how many additional acceptances to make once they see how many of their current admits defect for full rides elsewhere.

On our end we might see a handful of acceptances after a major scholarship deadline (or none if only a few people chose the money,) then the rest of us could be divvied up among waitlists and rejections.

I'm starting to think that faculty review is likely complete or nearly complete, so the dynamics of Yale's decision timing would from now on be driven largely by other schools' scholarship and commitment dates.

This theory doesn't make sense and here's why: Asha has been vehement about the fact that people should feel free to accept whatever spots and scholarships they have deadlines for. Per LSAC rules, schools can't require you to withdraw applications you haven't heard back on when you're making a deposit. She is comfortable with the fact that a bunch of people who get into Yale will be giving up scholarships elsewhere to go there, and ultimately doesn't care what those other schools think about it. So if you're rational and know about these things, accepting a full scholarship at Columbia won't make anyone withdraw their Yale application (unless, of course, they decide that they don't want to pay sticker at Yale, which is always possible, but like why give up the free option to find out if you got into Yale so you can brag about it for the rest of your life?). But that has nothing to do with the deadline and more to do with people's preferences.

No - it does make sense. Again, Asha is referring to a situation in which you have not yet heard back from Yale. If someone has already been admitted once they make a decision to accept a scholarship somewhere else they have to decline ACCEPTANCES at other institutions.

Edit: Which would open up spaces for more admits at Yale.

True, yes, I'm an idiot. Solid theory.

[OneHandedEconomist]

This would explain why they said they plan to have acceptances out by the 15th

[notsonotorious]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

FWIW for my scholarship at NYU they gave me a "random" deadline to respond which was the day after the Yale ASD. So the universe of deadlines to consider is probably greater than we know about.....

[defunct]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

As I understand, the Hamilton deadline is the same as the Columbia/Yale deadline in general (May). So no help there.

[OneHandedEconomist]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

As I understand, the Hamilton deadline is the same as the Columbia/Yale deadline in general (May). So no help there.

We're probs reading the tea leaves too heavily and they're just chugging along at their own pace.

[seeprybyrun]

Probably matters less in their calculus, but 4/21 is the deadline for the Vandy at NYU.

[AndromedaGalaxy]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

As I understand, the Hamilton deadline is the same as the Columbia/Yale deadline in general (May). So no help there.

In that case the Hamilton defections would generally affect people getting in off the official waitlist. Ruby deadline would probably correspond with the largest cluster of declined Yale admissions before May.

[OneHandedEconomist]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

As I understand, the Hamilton deadline is the same as the Columbia/Yale deadline in general (May). So no help there.

In that case the Hamilton defections would generally affect people getting in off the official waitlist. Ruby deadline would probably correspond with the largest cluster of declined Yale admissions before May.

In this case, wouldn't we see a trickle of admissions rather than a wave? I imagine that Ruby peeps aren't waiting until the deadline to withdraw, but doing so at their own pace.

[AndromedaGalaxy]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

As I understand, the Hamilton deadline is the same as the Columbia/Yale deadline in general (May). So no help there.

In that case the Hamilton defections would generally affect people getting in off the official waitlist. Ruby deadline would probably correspond with the largest cluster of declined Yale admissions before May.

In this case, wouldn't we see a trickle of admissions rather than a wave? I imagine that Ruby peeps aren't waiting until the deadline to withdraw, but doing so at their own pace.

Possibly, but if it's a small enough trickle Asha may not even need to admit anyone else outright. Yale assumes high yield, not 100%. She might want to wait for the deadline to resolve to determine whether there's even a shortfall of admits at all.

[NotPanicking]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

[AndromedaGalaxy]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

I hadn't thought about it that way, but yes.

https://law.yale.edu/admissions/jd-admi ... hool-scams

[OneHandedEconomist]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

[NotPanicking]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

Thanks. I saw a 4/12 deadline for a named scholarship at Chicago. I'd also be curious when the people with Hamiltons need to decide, because I suspect that would be the other main reason for declining acceptance at Yale.

As I understand, the Hamilton deadline is the same as the Columbia/Yale deadline in general (May). So no help there.

In that case the Hamilton defections would generally affect people getting in off the official waitlist. Ruby deadline would probably correspond with the largest cluster of declined Yale admissions before May.

In this case, wouldn't we see a trickle of admissions rather than a wave? I imagine that Ruby peeps aren't waiting until the deadline to withdraw, but doing so at their own pace.

All the people I spoke to who took the Ruby agonized over the decision. I'd speculate that there are more folks who are waiting last minute to make this super difficult choice, than not.

[NotPanicking]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

But....Harvard... :/

[AndromedaGalaxy]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

But....Harvard... :/

Haha. I turned down my Chicago scholarship because I didn't want to give up my spot at Harvard. Still, if the Ruby is a realistic option for you, if you'd take it over Harvard, you're actually in a pretty great position where you can keep the scholarship and your active Yale application. Though maybe just kicking the decision-making agony down the line by a few weeks...

[seeprybyrun]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

But....Harvard... :/

I'm curious, how many H/Y grads have to deal with crippling debt for long? Seems like the star power of going there would offset the additional debt you take on (versus a full ride at CCN), not to mention the LRAP programs.

[NotPanicking]

^^interesting theory. Isn't it only the Ruby that has a 4/15 deadline, and most others are 5/1 like normal? I guess Ruby would be the primary contender against Yale, so the theory might kinda hold

In general, seems like at this stage they're waiting for various things like this to shake out

The Ruby deadline is tomorrow, the 12th.

[Whittie]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

But....Harvard... :/

+180 on this struggle. Good problems to have, but a difficulty decision nonetheless.

[OneHandedEconomist]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

But....Harvard... :/

I'm curious, how many H/Y grads have to deal with crippling debt for long? Seems like the star power of going there would offset the additional debt you take on (versus a full ride at CCN), not to mention the LRAP programs.

Eh, I turned down my H acceptance once I had a few t13 full rides. Maybe it's just because I'm poor, but I can't justify the cost, especially given how similar their employment figures are.

Now, Yale's 50%+ clerking stats start to change that equation...

[defunct]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

But....Harvard... :/

Ruby vs Yale sounds like an internal debate that might be worth having, depending on a lot of factors. But personally, even with decent aid at Harvard, I'd accept the Ruby and wait to agonize about Yale if it's in the cards. People seem to forget that the Ruby is 50k more valuable than a Hamilton, even. It's just an amazing opportunity. I'm sure you've thought about this more than most of us already though, and Harvard is Harvard for whatever that's worth.

[NotPanicking]

UMM WAIT, so if I haven't heard back from Yale yet, I can accept the Ruby tomorrow and then potentially benefit from Yale ADMITS defecting by accepting the Ruby themselves? And I could be offered one of their spots or wait listed, after? Am I reading this right?

Yeah just accept the Ruby. Tbh, take the Ruby no matter what happens at Yale.

But....Harvard... :/

I'm curious, how many H/Y grads have to deal with crippling debt for long? Seems like the star power of going there would offset the additional debt you take on (versus a full ride at CCN), not to mention the LRAP programs.

Umm, it depends on the package you get. I'd leave Harvard with $200k, but the one other HLS student I spoke with only had $100k. If you go into litigation, you could pay that off in 2-3 years, easy. Mine would take closer to 5, 6 if I don't want to eat ramen the first year out (roughly). And that relies on me STAYING in litigation. Harvard's LIPP is legendary, but no matter how amazing it is, isn't NOT HAVING DEBT still, well, better?

Employment opportunities are pretty comparable for Harvard and Chicago, idk about Yale. Especially since Chicago churns out a higher-than-expected number of academics.

It's a mess and I hate it and I can't wait to be done (read: resigned to the Ruby, I guess, since that's the responsible thing to do, no matter how much I like Harvard).